CFZ Is Dak contract biggest issue critics have?

[Diehardblues]

Starting QBs get the going rate based on when the sign the contract.
- It does not matter if that QB is rated #1 or #10, the contract will be basically the same.

Right

Look at who were the top paid QB in recent years before Mahomes contract:
Wilson
Ryan
Stafford

It’s very common for Non-Elite Franchise QB’s to receive Market top or near the top in the league new contracts .

It’s up to the owners or Front Offices to decide if they believe they’ll be able to build around them. In most cases they decide to pay them for a few reasons .

One : they are their guy so naturally they want to believe in them.
Two: it’s difficult finding another QB
Three: if they have already had some success they have built a fanbase which is easier to sell and promote more hope with

While winning championships is the ultimate goal owners biggest priority is having a consistent competitive team. And Franchise QB whether they are Elite or not often provide this stability.

 

[Rockport]

This issue appears to come up more often when criticism inflates with our QB. That we should be having more success with a QB who is paid the amount of money and portion of our Cap he is.

In comparison Prescott is paid similar to those like Watson, Carr, Murray and Cousins whose teams haven’t had anymore success than Prescotts.

I think most of us would agree that average to above average QB’s are over paid and all too often paid similar to the more Elite QB’s. At least initially when they sign. But is that these QB’s responsibility or the owners and front offices that pony up along with the coaching staffs which support it.

It’s a tough balance . Unfortunately all Franchise QB’s aren’t Elite . But when you find a serviceable enough QB to try and build around it appears that part of the process is locking them up before they can become a FA.

And this is where overpaying them is part of the process. In turn we often see the ownerships, front offices and coaching staff hype or justify their contract of their Franchise QB that he’s enough to win. Again, all part of the process.

Not sure why this burden is put all on the QB’s. Should they say, no boss , don’t over pay me.

The contract only matters to those who don’t understand the business side of football. He got what the market was for good QB’s.

 

[Rockport]

Talent is my biggest issue with Dak.

I wouldn't care 1 single bit to pay a QB to a big contract if they're talent is worth it.

Didn’t you read Bobhaze’s thread?

 

[mcmvp]

The contract only matters to those who don’t understand the business side of football. He got what the market was for good QB’s.

No he didn’t… at the time he got elite QB money. And it was not an extension, but rather a whole new deal which is not favorable to the Cowboys down the road. He got paid for what he was not… Elite. That is sort of the whole point of this thread. That you should only pay those that are truly elite, and reload with another young QB when you don’t have one

 

[Diehardblues]

No he didn’t… at the time he got elite QB money. And it was not an extension, but rather a whole new deal which is not favorable to the Cowboys down the road. He got paid for what he was not… Elite. That is sort of the whole point of this thread. That you should only pay those that are truly elite, and reload with another young QB when you don’t have one

No, that’s not totally accurate .

Non Elite Franchise QB’s are often paid Market price which is near or at the top . We shouldn’t necessarily consider or translate that into Elite pay .

Franchise QB’s salary doesn’t always reflect a pecking order of talent.

 

[Diehardblues]

Wilson , Murray and Watson at 2nd, 3rd and 4th is a perfect example of how Franchise QB contracts aren’t necessarily a pecking order of talent level .

It’s usually more about when you signed and what the Market was at that time.

 

[75boyz]

No he didn’t… at the time he got elite QB money. And it was not an extension, but rather a whole new deal which is not favorable to the Cowboys down the road. He got paid for what he was not… Elite. That is sort of the whole point of this thread. That you should only pay those that are truly elite, and reload with another young QB when you don’t have one

Yeah,
I always kinda lumped those mega contracts into at least Wilson had accomplished multiple playoff winning seasons, SB appearances and SB win. Same with Mahomes. Same with Rodgers.

Allen was a "potential" based deal somewhat but he did have some playoff skins on the wall already.

Now Dak, what exactly had he proven leading up to contract time...

And I can't even put into words what Cleveland did with Watson. Lol, That is a joke. So he joins Dak as an outlier as well imo.

It's up to the owners and GMs to determine this so called QB market value.

Lots of poor future return on investment on the way Wilson and Rodgers look this year.

Dak's situation is the same as he looks to have become injury prone now and which I never understood the elite contract when it was given to him in the first place.

 

[mcmvp]

No, that’s not totally accurate .

Non Elite Franchise QB’s are often paid Market price which is near or at the top . We shouldn’t necessarily consider or translate that into Elite pay .

Franchise QB’s salary doesn’t always reflect a pecking order of talent.

Well this also is the point of this thread. Just because some other teams have paid above average QBs at an elite level, does not make that the correct thing to do.

this whole concept of “well that’s just what the market is“ is a bunch of BS. Only elite quarterbacks should get paid top money. The teams that stop practicing this, and don’t just keep up with the Joneses (no pun intended) are going to be the ones that are successful

 

[Ranched]

I could care less on what a professional athlete makes. They worked hard to get there. No envy at this end. Looks as though it's only men who care lol.

 

[mcmvp]

I could care less on what a professional athlete makes. They worked hard to get there. No envy at this end. Looks as though it's only men who care lol.

I don’t care either… Do you really think that this is about envy? Lol

 

[Rockport]

No he didn’t… at the time he got elite QB money. And it was not an extension, but rather a whole new deal which is not favorable to the Cowboys down the road. He got paid for what he was not… Elite. That is sort of the whole point of this thread. That you should only pay those that are truly elite, and reload with another young QB when you don’t have one

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/quarterback

 

[Rockport]

I don’t care either… Do you really think that this is about envy? Lol

You just posted how much you care saying Dak didn’t deserve it.

 

[mcmvp]

You just posted how much you care saying Dak didn’t deserve it.

No I didn’t. Good for Dak for getting the money. You missed the point entirely. I am looking at this from the perspective of a front office and the correct way to spend resources. It’s not his fault he got his money… It is their fault for offering it.

 

[CouchCoach]

What a great open discussion. This is what the forum could be without….

Yeah, who in the hell started this Dak thread?

 

[G2]

If you're going to complain about a high salary you have to complain about rookie contracts.

 

[75boyz]

Well this also is the point of this thread. Just because some other teams have paid above average QBs at an elite level, does not make that the correct thing to do.

this whole concept of “well that’s just what the market is“ is a bunch of BS. Only elite quarterbacks should get paid top money. The teams that stop practicing this, and don’t just keep up with the Joneses (no pun intended) are going to be the ones that are successful

Good post.

 

[Diehardblues]

Well this also is the point of this thread. Just because some other teams have paid above average QBs at an elite level, does not make that the correct thing to do.

this whole concept of “well that’s just what the market is“ is a bunch of BS. Only elite quarterbacks should get paid top money. The teams that stop practicing this, and don’t just keep up with the Joneses (no pun intended) are going to be the ones that are successful

I understand but paying Non Elite QB’s “ market price” is common standard regardless whether we agree with it or not.

And we might need to define successful. Fans definition could vary from the owners.

If these Non Elite Franchise QB maintain a consistent playoff contender that provides stability these franchises can sell and hype their product then that’s probably worth the investment even if it could limit their ability to win a championship.

 

[75boyz]

Yeah,
I always kinda lumped those mega contracts into at least Wilson had accomplished multiple playoff winning seasons, SB appearances and SB win. Same with Mahomes. Same with Rodgers.

Allen was a "potential" based deal somewhat but he did have some playoff skins on the wall already.

Now Dak, what exactly had he proven leading up to contract time...

And I can't even put into words what Cleveland did with Watson. Lol, That is a joke. So he joins Dak as an outlier as well imo.

It's up to the owners and GMs to determine this so called QB market value.

Lots of poor future return on investment on the way Wilson and Rodgers look this year.

Dak's situation is the same as he looks to have become injury prone now and which I never understood the elite contract when it was given to him in the first place.

Yep, now I see I failed to mention 2 other guys that I don't think fit the deserving elite money in Murray and Carr. More than I thought.

 

[Nemesis4u]

The fact is you could put andy dalton or possibly even cooper rush with this team and 40 million spent else where and we would be better THATS my complaint.

 

[Walker]

I personally feel like you should get paid for the production you provide based on your position. So if your paid top 5 money you should produce top 5 results. If you get paid top 10 money and produce top 5 results then your FO is a genius, if its vice versa then your FO wasted resources.