CFZ Is Dak contract biggest issue critics have?

[kskboys]

Miami too.

It did, except they chose the wrong QB. They did everything right, then took a short injury prone QB!!!

If MIA takes Herbort, they are super bowl contenders.

 

[Diehardblues]

No way...tank the season, play the backup rest of the season and then draft 1st or 2nd in next year's draft. That's the winning ticket.

That’s one way. You could also trade for draft picks.

But I’d argue teams could continue drafting QB’s always having someone you’re developing in the event. And if your starter isn’t Elite don’t let him hold you hostage on his contract.

 

[kskboys]

Right. But yet we see these expectations rise.

Mostly from the casual fans. It's blatantly apparent that huge salaries keep you from the super bowl. The ones who deny it are generally the ones who defend their emotional thoughts no matter what.

 

[CouchCoach]

It's the direct opposite. Once you pay your QB a huge amount, your chances of getting to the dance drop precipitously.

Allen and Mahomes are disproving that now and Burrow, Tua, Herbert and Lawrence will soon.

It is just going to be the price any team has to pay to have one of the top guys and no owner is going to let one of those guys walk over money, the fans and media will make sure of that.

Is paying Prescott 40M keeping the Cowboys from getting to the dance or is it something else? They didn't let Cooper go over money, he pissed Booger off by missing games and not anointing his QB openly.

If I were a GM, I would have the #1 rule in place at all times. If I am going top dollar for the QB, priority 1A is stopping the run because they can use that to keep my rich guy on the sideline.

The problem with the Cowboys is that they're not good team builders so paying a QB 40M gets magnified but that is not the reason they are not dancing.

 

[xwalker]

I think some criticism is worthy .

It’s the constant abusive vitriol which actually lessens their message as it’s appears to be the only concerning aspect they see with the Cowboys which raises red flags of personal agendas .

It makes an analytical discussion almost impossible.

Many people are focuses on negativity because it's their only skill. They lack the ability and/or they're too lazy to review game footage to see what really happens on the field.

People also try to prove that their opinions stated months or years ago were correct.

We've seen numerous posts about Jabril Cox with references to the coaches being clueless for not playing him.

Jalen Tolbert is also not playing but we see many posts saying that he sucks.

The difference is that many people advocated for the Jabril Cox pick but hated the Tolbert pick.

It has been similar with people loving Gallimore and hating Trysten Hill.

They hate CB Joseph and post that he is a bust despite the fact that he allowed a total of minus 2 yards receiving in his 1st NFL start.

Another issue is that some long time posters are fans of other teams pretending to be Cowboys fans for the purpose of harassing the real fans on this site.

If you review the post history of one very well know poster, you'll see clear indication that he hates everything about the Cowboys except players that he liked in the draft.

 

[CouchCoach]

It did, except they chose the wrong QB. They did everything right, then took a short injury prone QB!!!

If MIA takes Herbort, they are super bowl contenders.

Understandable though. Tua was the highlight of the southeast and Herbert played in the Pac 12 and his play fell off in his last season at OR. The minute he made the Heisman short list, the drop off began. I watch OR pretty closely for a SEC hound.

The problem is not all QB's are like Herbert and Lawrence at 6'6", got to take some pygmies like Murray, Tua and Wilson. Brees and Tarkenton did OK.

 

[CouchCoach]

It makes an analytical discussion almost impossible.

Many people are focuses on negativity because it's their only skill. They lack the ability and/or they're too lazy to review game footage to see what really happens on the field.

People also try to prove that their opinions stated months or years ago were correct.

We've seen numerous posts about Jabril Cox with references to the coaches being clueless for not playing him.

Jalen Tolbert is also not playing but we see many posts saying that he sucks.

The difference is that many people advocated for the Jabril Cox pick but hated the Tolbert pick.

It has been similar with people loving Gallimore and hating Trysten Hill.

They hate CB Joseph and post that he is a bust despite the fact that he allowed a total of minus 2 yards receiving in his 1st NFL start.

Another issue is that some long time posters are fans of other teams pretending to be Cowboys fans for the purpose of harassing the real fans on this site.

If you review the post history of one very well know poster, you'll see clear indication that he hates everything about the Cowboys except players that he liked in the draft.

This same lack of analytical discussion applies to play calling vs execution.

How often do we look back at a play, called a bad call, and consider what happens if that is executed as drawn up? Few plays in the playbook that are fumbles, picks, missed blocks or dropped balls.

 

[75boyz]

It all boils down to if you're comfortable with his onfield performance matching future years paycheck cap hits according to your personal standards. Regardless of any other circumstances.

If you feel a cap hit of 49 million in 2023 and 52 million in 2024 matches what his onfield performance will be then so be it.

If not, that's okay too.

To each his own.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

yes

anyone who gets a second contract gets bashed here

mark this down....these people will turn on Micah and treat him like Jaylon Smith when he inks that second one

I laughed out loud at this, then it hit me. You are so right!

 

[CowboyFrog]

It makes an analytical discussion almost impossible.

Many people are focuses on negativity because it's their only skill. They lack the ability and/or they're too lazy to review game footage to see what really happens on the field.

People also try to prove that their opinions stated months or years ago were correct.

We've seen numerous posts about Jabril Cox with references to the coaches being clueless for not playing him.

Jalen Tolbert is also not playing but we see many posts saying that he sucks.

The difference is that many people advocated for the Jabril Cox pick but hated the Tolbert pick.

It has been similar with people loving Gallimore and hating Trysten Hill.

They hate CB Joseph and post that he is a bust despite the fact that he allowed a total of minus 2 yards receiving in his 1st NFL start.

Another issue is that some long time posters are fans of other teams pretending to be Cowboys fans for the purpose of harassing the real fans on this site.

If you review the post history of one very well know poster, you'll see clear indication that he hates everything about the Cowboys except players that he liked in the draft.

Spot on

 

[75boyz]

yes

anyone who gets a second contract gets bashed here

mark this down....these people will turn on Micah and treat him like Jaylon Smith when he inks that second one

All depends on if Parsons pulls a disappearing act once paid as several 2nd contract awardees here have done.

 

[Diehardblues]

What a great open discussion. This is what the forum could be without….

 

[xwalker]

All depends on if Parsons pulls a disappearing act once paid as several 2nd contract awardees here have done.

Which players disappeared after getting paid?

DLaw: Was never a top 10 DE but after the big contract fans expected him to be a top 5 type DE.

Zeke: Maybe, but in year 2 his yards/carry and yards/game dropped significantly. His yards/game dropped again in year 3. Since the contract his yards/carry has hovered around his season 2 average.

Dak: His first 2 seasons were the lowest for yards/game. Season 2 was his worst for INTs. Next Gen stats show accuracy improvement in later years compared to earlier.

Martin: No change.

Tyron: He has consistently been a Pro Bowl and occasionally All Pro since the contract. He always played at least 13 games per season plus playoffsWas until 2020.

Gallup: TBD

Jaylon: Watch the 2018 playoff game vs the Rams. He was never worth the contract before it was signed.

La'el: He was just ok on the field both before and after the contract. He got hyped by fans at one point but always made too many mistakes.

Dez: Definitely a fail after the contract but off the field he always had problems long before getting paid.

Summary: Dez is the primary player that fits the criteria of Cowboys own player that fell off the map after signing a big contract. He only played 9 games the 1st season after the contract but his catch percentage dropped to a horrible 43% and his per game stats fell off the map.

The issue is that he was a disaster off the field and in the locker room long before the contract.

 

[xwalker]

It all boils down to if you're comfortable with his onfield performance matching future years paycheck cap hits according to your personal standards. Regardless of any other circumstances.

If you feel a cap hit of 49 million in 2023 and 52 million in 2024 matches what his onfield performance will be then so be it.

If not, that's okay too.

To each his own.

Cap hits are are not what the player is getting paid.

If the cap hit exceeds the contract average, it is because they used the extra money to pay other players in previous years and pushed money from Dak's contract into future years.

It's like getting a home equity loan and using it to buy a car. The total house payments increase but the extra payment amount was not because of the house.

 

[75boyz]

Cap hits are are not what the player is getting paid.

If the cap hit exceeds the contract average, it is because they used the extra money to pay other players in previous years and pushed money from Dak's contract into future years.

It's like getting a home equity loan and using it to buy a car. The total house payments increase but the extra payment amount was not because of the house.

Yeah, I know.
He could actually be getting a base salary of much less than the team salary cap hit.

That doesn't change the impact of the cap hit to the team, regardless.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yeah, I know.
He could actually be getting a base salary of much less than the team salary cap hit.

That doesn't change the impact of the cap hit to the team, regardless.

Paying a less than Elite QB big money isn’t a recipe in building a championship caliber team.

But owners do it cause it presents a consistent product which is easier to sell and promote than looking for another QB every 4 or 5 years.

 

[FVSTONE]

This issue appears to come up more often when criticism inflates with our QB. That we should be having more success with a QB who is paid the amount of money and portion of our Cap he is.

In comparison Prescott is paid similar to those like Watson, Carr, Murray and Cousins whose teams haven’t had anymore success than Prescotts.

I think most of us would agree that average to above average QB’s are over paid and all too often paid similar to the more Elite QB’s. At least initially when they sign. But is that these QB’s responsibility or the owners and front offices that pony up along with the coaching staffs which support it.

It’s a tough balance . Unfortunately all Franchise QB’s aren’t Elite . But when you find a serviceable enough QB to try and build around it appears that part of the process is locking them up before they can become a FA.

And this is where overpaying them is part of the process. In turn we often see the ownerships, front offices and coaching staff hype or justify their contract of their Franchise QB that he’s enough to win. Again, all part of the process.

Not sure why this burden is put all on the QB’s. Should they say, no boss , don’t over pay me.

No, my issues with Prescot pertain to his skills and his inabilities to find them.

 

[75boyz]

Paying a less than Elite QB big money isn’t a recipe in building a championship caliber team.

But owners do it cause it presents a consistent product which is easier to sell and promote than looking for another QB every 4 or 5 years.

Yep.
And thus,
Jerry's version of relevance...

Overpaid game manager in a weak division(previous to '22) who can keep you right at around .500 level ball give or take a win either way.

The overpaid QB is an extension of the owners idea of relevance.
His skills are such that the team won't be bad enough to totally suck but not good enough to be a true contender.

"Just" good enough to market.

And THAT'S one thing the owner does very well.

 

[xwalker]

Yeah, I know.
He could actually be getting a base salary of much less than the team salary cap hit.

That doesn't change the impact of the cap hit to the team, regardless.

Starting QBs get the going rate based on when the sign the contract.
- It does not matter if that QB is rated #1 or #10, the contract will be basically the same.

 

[75boyz]

Starting QBs get the going rate based on when the sign the contract.
- It does not matter if that QB is rated #1 or #10, the contract will be basically the same.

Again, salary cap impact OR what it would cost a team's total cap to lose him during a year is what I am talking about.

Not his base salary for that year.

Simple Over the CAP chart stuff.