Is Dak elite?

[acr731]

95% certain he was being sarcastic.

LOL.... Yeah, that's probably true

 

[Qcard]

if you simply go by this year Patrick Mahomes is out, heck going back to midseason last year PM hasnt played well,

SO, Darnold and Mayfield are by stats the only elite QB play so far this year clear MVP candidates LOL add in this JD kid in DC seems top be the next coming of steve young even though they haven't played anyone. LJ being carried by great DS and Henry.. hmm what exactly is ELITE?

ELITE is a weapon used by Owners and weird fans to justify NOT paying QBs market value or making QBs take team friendly contracts for their services.

Mike McCarthy on the 105.3 the Fan suggested every team should have a 4th QB spot.

The NFL should allow teams to designated a Franchise QB with a separate cap structure.

How many tomatoes cans has Sam Danorld played.....some QBs are given a low bar for promotion to Elite...

Dak Hate is NOT about Football

 

[kskboys]

ELITE is a weapon used by Owners and weird fans to justify NOT paying QBs market value or making QBs take team friendly contracts for their services.

Mike McCarthy on the 105.3 the Fan suggested every team should have a 4th QB spot.

The NFL should allow teams to designated a Franchise QB with a separate cap structure.

How many tomatoes cans has Sam Danorld played.....some QBs are given a low bar for promotion to Elite...

Dak Hate is NOT about Football

Then what is it about?

 

[CATCH17]

Dak’s good when things are going good.

Dak’s bad when things are going bad.

Hes not a QB that’s going to overcome any type of obstacle.

 

[kskboys]

Lmao no. 2 Super Bowls > 2 playoff wins

Romo is nowhere close to Eli. Only Cowboys fans think he is.

He's not. During the course of his career, Romo was consistently rated above Eli. Only fans who aren't very good at evaluation think Eli was better.

 

[DFWJC]

Aikman is Eli Manning. Doesn't do much in the regular season, but elite in the postseason.

Tho, I will say he's better than Eli in the postseason, but arguable who's better in the regular season. One would say Eli screws the Giants more so his lows are lower, but Aikman does less because his running game was so dominant his entire career.

Neither have ever been 1st or 2nd team All Pro.

Aikman>Romo>Eli

 

[blueblood70]

ELITE is a weapon used by Owners and weird fans to justify NOT paying QBs market value or making QBs take team friendly contracts for their services.

Mike McCarthy on the 105.3 the Fan suggested every team should have a 4th QB spot.

The NFL should allow teams to designated a Franchise QB with a separate cap structure.

How many tomatoes cans has Sam Danorld played.....some QBs are given a low bar for promotion to Elite...

Dak Hate is NOT about Football

well the way I always looked at it and that's on me is elite is a term used for if you're in the top five at your position in that particular year and more of the stat lines than others.. So it should change yearly right it's what have you done for me lately so we could argue that the two best quarterbacks in the league right now are Sam darnold and Baker Mayfield with a runner up in Jayden Daniels but we're way too soon in the season lots of bigger harder games are coming up and the playoffs then we can rearrange what we think is elite this year.

So I look at it as any given year you need to be in the top five in most categories at your position and you could be called elite... I mean that is how they do the franchise tag right average of the top five players so it should be the same way if you consider them elite I mean because most quarterbacks or position players which is unfair to quarterbacks are part of a team a bigger team and they also have a bad playoff record if we're talking about our team look around in the playoffs there are a lot of key players that didn't play well not just the quarterback why is the record always on the quarterback literally so many teammates have failed them as much as the quarterbacks have failed their teammates it is why it's the Ultimate Team game it's hard to separate it there's a lot of really great quarterbacks mentioned in these threads with obviously Roger and Troy it at the top but you look at their teams you're trying to tell me if they had those coaching Staffs and those teams that they wouldn't be as successful here you just remove them and put in say Romo or Prescott I'll debate that all day long that these quarterbacks are good enough if you put teams around him like Brock Purdy has...

Look at goff's best years I mean look at what they put on the offense right now for him they're too deep almost at every position when the top offensive lines and now he's like all of a sudden back as one of the popular quarterbacks... Some teams do go all in it's very rare they get it with Matthew Stafford couldn't win anything in Detroit because of his team he goes to a loaded team ready to win and what does he do he wins where goff couldn't win... But if you really look at it the man didn't change his spots he literally led the league in interceptions had two interceptions in the Super bowl and somehow he will be forever ranked ove rDak because of that Team Lombardi?

 

[acr731]

Dak’s good when things are going good.

Dak’s bad when things are going bad.

Hes not a QB that’s going to overcome any type of obstacle.

He's great when defenses take their foot off his neck. See the Ravens game for a perfect example.

 

[blueblood70]

Aikman>Romo>Eli

I'm sorry man that's debatable all day long aikman was on an all in loaded team.... So was Roger let's be real here the coaching Staffs and all of the players top to bottom and all phases were better than anything Romo or Prescott has ever had the difference is like Matthew Stafford he goes he couldn't win anything he goes to a team that was ready to win he helped him win a Super Bowl but in no way did he change his spots the man led the league in interceptions and had two interceptions in the Super bowl and yet because he has a Super Bowl he's better than Prescott somehow you and you ask him well at least he has a Super Bowl at least he has more playoff wins no his team he played on aided and all that..

I hate to step on toes and say anything negative about aikman but troy's numbers despite having one of the best teams ever assembled one of the best coaching Staffs ever assembled a team that never asked him at all to carry a team in big games his numbers were sad if you really look at it his numbers were below average and don't say it was because of era because they have other guys that were playing during his era that had far better numbers...

So talk about them as you want but Troy maybe not any better than Brock Purdy or Matthew Stafford if you look at they're all in teams that they assemble around him show me where Romo or Prescott had that type of team top to bottom I'm talking about coaching Staffs offense defense special teams they had a bunch of Hall of Fame players on those teams I mean a lot..

 

[DFWJC]

He's not. During the course of his career, Romo was consistently rated above Eli. Only fans who aren't very good at evaluation think Eli was better.

Eli was always an enigma.
Very, VERY average for most of his career

One of worst playoff QBs of all time in all years but 2.
Most one-and-dones in history of NFL in playoffs.

But then we have those 2 playoff runs......kind of like Flacco, but twice
In 2007 for example.
Romo throws perfect, game-winning pass vs Giants to Crayton with 17 seconds left, but Crayton pulls up on his route and Cowboys lose.
In SB that year....Giants Defense holds highest scoring team of all time to 14 points, you score 17,...super bowl!

 

[Yobwocs]

He's not. During the course of his career, Romo was consistently rated above Eli. Only fans who aren't very good at evaluation think Eli was better.

Yet I always heard the media praising Eli over Romo who for the longest time I didn't hear a whole lot about.... mostly from like 2008-2013. Even 2014 most people's minds were made up on Romo already at that point.

 

[pitt33]

Geez, seems a lot of people are judging Aikman post 1996... Romo and Eli are on the same tier if you take away the superbowl. Aikman is above them.

Some of these people freaking kill me.

Who gives a crap about regular season stats. Fantasy football geeks love those stats.

Aikman had a cannon for an arm, accurate as much as anyone to ever play, and didn’t get rattled in the face of adversity.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm sorry man that's debatable all day long aikman was on an all in loaded team.... So was Roger let's be real here the coaching Staffs and all of the players top to bottom and all phases were better than anything Romo or Prescott has ever had the difference is like Matthew Stafford he goes he couldn't win anything he goes to a team that was ready to win he helped him win a Super Bowl but in no way did he change his spots the man led the league in interceptions and had two interceptions in the Super bowl and yet because he has a Super Bowl he's better than Prescott somehow you and you ask him well at least he has a Super Bowl at least he has more playoff wins no his team he played on aided and all that..

I hate to step on toes and say anything negative about aikman but troy's numbers despite having one of the best teams ever assembled one of the best coaching Staffs ever assembled a team that never asked him at all to carry a team in big games his numbers were sad if you really look at it his numbers were below average and don't say it was because of era because they have other guys that were playing during his era that had far better numbers...

So talk about them as you want but Troy maybe not any better than Brock Purdy or Matthew Stafford if you look at they're all in teams that they assemble around him show me where Romo or Prescott had that type of team top to bottom I'm talking about coaching Staffs offense defense special teams they had a bunch of Hall of Fame players on those teams I mean a lot..

You make lots of good points and some we'll never know. So much is opinion.
fwiw

All time playoff, Era-adjusted PLAYOFF passer ratings

a few (not all) samples.....

2) Staubach__119.7 (the king)
7) Montana__112.3
11) Mahomes__105.4
13) Stafford__103.9
16) Brees__101.0
19) Aikman__100.4 (shined in playoffs)
21) Young__98.5
24) Romo__97.4
27) Favre__95.9
34) Burrow__92.9
36) Prescott__91.9 (better than some think)
41) E Manning__90.9 (better than his reg season but not as good as some think)
42) J Flacco__90.7

 

[gtb1943]

Aikman>Romo>Eli

I always thought Dak attack was the most unhinged of the Dak bots
I admit I was wrong
we got one much worse
you are wasting your time on him

 

[gtb1943]

You make lots of good points and some we'll never know. So much is opinion.
fwiw

All time playoff, Era-adjusted PLAYOFF passer ratings

a few (not all) samples.....

2) Staubach__119.7 (the king)
7) Montana__112.3
11) Mahomes__105.4
13) Stafford__103.9
16) Brees__101.0
19) Aikman__100.4 (shined in playoffs)
21) Young__98.5
24) Romo__97.4
27) Favre__95.9
34) Burrow__92.9
36) Prescott__91.9 (better than some think)
41) E Manning__90.9 (better than his reg season but not as good as some think)
42) J Flacco__90.7

looking at that I admit Stafford surprises me; but none of the others really do
Mahomes is a little misleading; he is one of those very rare QBs where the rating really does not tell the story
he just makes plays when it really matters. In a way I have not seen anyone else ever do

 

[gtb1943]

There is only one elite QB playing now and it sure ain't Dak

 

[kskboys]

Yet I always heard the media praising Eli over Romo who for the longest time I didn't hear a whole lot about.... mostly from like 2008-2013. Even 2014 most people's minds were made up on Romo already at that point.

Really? Only time I saw him rated fairly high was after those super bowl wins, but then he quickly shot down the list.

 

[kskboys]

Eli was always an enigma.
Very, VERY average for most of his career

One of worst playoff QBs of all time in all years but 2.
Most one-and-dones in history of NFL in playoffs.

But then we have those 2 playoff runs......kind of like Flacco, but twice
In 2007 for example.
Romo throws perfect, game-winning pass vs Giants to Crayton with 17 seconds left, but Crayton pulls up on his route and Cowboys lose.
In SB that year....Giants Defense holds highest scoring team of all time to 14 points, you score 17,...super bowl!

Eli got bailed out repeatedly by his D. Did you know that in the 07 playoffs, the Giants D held every team they faced to 24 or less? And that includes holding one of the most prolific O's of all time to a measely 14 pts.

The Giants did not win the super bowl because of Eli. Not even close.

 

[DFWJC]

Eli got bailed out repeatedly by his D. Did you know that in the 07 playoffs, the Giants D held every team they faced to 24 or less? And that includes holding one of the most prolific O's of all time to a measely 14 pts.

The Giants did not win the super bowl because of Eli. Not even close.

maybe you meant to reply to someone else?

my comment you replied to

"In SB that year....Giants Defense holds highest scoring team of all time to 14 points, you score 17,...super bowl!"

So, yes, I did know that

 

[Mr_437]

If you have to ask, he's not elite.