Is Dak Prescott And Kirk Cousins In The Same Class?

RonWashington

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I’m not a capolologist no Bob Ackles helping Jimmah but I’m sorry # 4 needs to be pushed by competition either a draft choice not from James Madison or not named Cooper , sorry no disrespect . How do you get “ better “ yr 7 if no one is challenging you.
 

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So funny how they just ignore the massive number of wins more Dak has and don't mention his 25 rushing TDs.

I guess it makes the comparison easier.
Are you confirming that it is your belief that wins/loses should solely go to the QB and should not take into account the teams?

Also, Cousins has 17 rushing TDs himself.
 

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I see the point, but when you have this and subpar QB play, then are you not wasting the defense and run game while searching for the right QB? again its the chicken vs egg thing...but in reality,finding a qaulity QB is way harder than building a defense or run game...right?

Oh yes, but when are we finding the quality QB ?? o_O.

Then again look at the SB winning QB's, it's 14 years since a QB paid in the top 5 won it all. Point is that teams win Championships, not QB's.
 

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Oh yes, but when are we finding the quality QB ?? o_O.

Then again look at the SB winning QB's, it's 14 years since a QB paid in the top 5 won it all. Point is that teams win Championships, not QB's.


I agree wholey on teams win Championships, and until this team has a real GM who wants to hire a real coaching staff no amount of "Qaulity" players will make this happen. We have a bunch of qaulity players now including the QB....again my point is the last 26 years have we just drafted "Choker, sub par, cant reach the talent they had" players? I get the frustration and am right there with you but if you need a point of blame, its right here with 26 years of history screaming at all of us.
 

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I agree wholey on teams win Championships, and until this team has a real GM who wants to hire a real coaching staff no amount of "Qaulity" players will make this happen. We have a bunch of qaulity players now including the QB....again my point is the last 26 years have we just drafted "Choker, sub par, cant reach the talent they had" players? I get the frustration and am right there with you but if you need a point of blame, its right here with 26 years of history screaming at all of us.

I agree on the GM, but for me it's a GM that's to blame because he never pays off his credit card so whilst he has some quality players he also has expensive veterans that arent playing anywhere near their value and then too many bottom of the barrel JAG's and projects because that's all.

Im not blaming anyone for the Dak contract and it is what it is, we had to take a path and we did (I would of extended him too). However, my argument as to QB's is that which is the better player Mack Jones or Trevor Lawrence?
 

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Dak n Kirk seem to be about the same. Also, I agree with those saying Dak reminds them of McNabb.
 

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I agree on the GM, but for me it's a GM that's to blame because he never pays off his credit card so whilst he has some quality players he also has expensive veterans that arent playing anywhere near their value and then too many bottom of the barrel JAG's and projects because that's all.

Im not blaming anyone for the Dak contract and it is what it is, we had to take a path and we did (I would of extended him too). However, my argument as to QB's is that which is the better player Mack Jones or Trevor Lawrence?


Both have talent..who plays on the better team will probably prove out better over that period. NE is miles above Jax in how its run and therefore the talent diference (Which is not huge to begin with) is more than covered up by better team and better ran organization.
 

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put dak on any of those crap teams whose quarterback "sucks" and you get the same results or worse.
jimmy, "dak sucks and isn't carrying anybody and isn't making any player better"
 

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Prescott stepped into a dream job for a rookie QB and that was because he was picked so late and not like many of the rook QB's that have to go to a JAX.

He also lucked out that he didn't get the job until late in the off season so they didn't have time to screw with his head, just execute. When they threw all of the stuff at him in his soph season that most rookie starting QB's get, he regressed.

I watch a ton of college ball and one thing that has impressed me with Prescott, he has improved since he came into the league like very few I've seen. Burrows, Lawrence and Herbert are playing like they did in college that got them picked high.

The one thing I am not on board with is the love or hate, just like I wasn't with Romo. The other issue I have is that the ones that hate him do not have a good alternative to him. I do not look at it like we are stuck with him. They could do worse and have...many times. Might not want to pay him that but we are damned lucky to have him considering what we've had.

I agree on most counts. Positions on both Romo and Dak are too extreme.

Are the Cowboys really lucky to have Dak? Meh. IMO, positional scarcity isn't what it once was for QB. 2/3 of the NFL is fine with their QB situation. I'm glad Dallas doesn't have Quincy Carter as QB but there are certainly 10 or more QB's I would prefer over Dak when you include salary.

Alternative? Right now the Cowboys are being driven into a rebuild due to the salary situation. If I had power over the organization, I would try to trade Dak for picks and just do a full rebuild as the team clears Tank, Zeke and others off the payroll with the intent of coming out of it stronger in 2 years with a newly drafted QB. I kind of think Jerry is going to put the organization on a slow death spiral as he just restructures contracts to put together a relatively mediocre team. Is drafting a QB a guarantee? Of course not but I would rather see the team swing for the fences instead of shooting for 1 and out NFCE titles.
 

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I agree on most counts. Positions on both Romo and Dak are too extreme.

Are the Cowboys really lucky to have Dak? Meh. IMO, positional scarcity isn't what it once was for QB. 2/3 of the NFL is fine with their QB situation. I'm glad Dallas doesn't have Quincy Carter as QB but there are certainly 10 or more QB's I would prefer over Dak when you include salary.

Alternative? Right now the Cowboys are being driven into a rebuild due to the salary situation. If I had power over the organization, I would try to trade Dak for picks and just do a full rebuild as the team clears Tank, Zeke and others off the payroll with the intent of coming out of it stronger in 2 years with a newly drafted QB. I kind of think Jerry is going to put the organization on a slow death spiral as he just restructures contracts to put together a relatively mediocre team. Is drafting a QB a guarantee? Of course not but I would rather see the team swing for the fences instead of shooting for 1 and out NFCE titles.

Swinging for the fences starts with a real GM and coaching staff..anything else is just more of the same..."Why can we never draft players who reach thier potential?"...we dont have 26 years of bad players..we have 26 years of a horribly ran franchise...
 

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Are you confirming that it is your belief that wins/loses should solely go to the QB and should not take into account the teams?

Also, Cousins has 17 rushing TDs himself.
No, I really don't care about wins and losses as attributed to the QB. Your hero, Matt Stafford, just proved it doesn't matter who your qb is if you team sucks around you.

But I am shocked those that live and die by them (you) didn't factor that into the comp.
 

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Of course I’m not taking Jones over Parsons but a lot depends on what you are trying to do
Are you looking for “relevance” and “splash” or win a SB because without a good QB you have no shot at a SB
IMO Jones is more likely to win a SB than Dak
If you give me a choice between Dak and Jones I’m taking Jones
After 6 years Dak is who he is, Jones will get better

The only reason Mac Jones is more likely to win a Super Bowl than Dak is because he plays in New England under Belichick.
 

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When you refer to the draft ancap gurus you’re talking about the fans on this board


The only reason Mac Jones is more likely to win a Super Bowl than Dak is because he plays in New England under Belichick.

Dont agree
 

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That's correct, however, in hindsight the best option would of been to sign Micah, release/trade Dak and spend the CAP saving on a QB and/or improve the holes in the roster.

Had we released or traded Dak we would be spending no telling how many years burning draft picks and going through castoff free agents trying to find a QB. The biggest hole on the team would be at QB and we would be wasting money and draft capital trying to fill it.
 

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Had we released or traded Dak we would be spending no telling how many years burning draft picks and going through castoff free agents trying to find a QB. The biggest hole on the team would be at QB and we would be wasting money and draft capital trying to fill it.

Yup the hardest thing to find is a Qaulity QB...we have had 2 here in the last 20 years and yet we still dont understand what the problem is.
 

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Dont agree

Mac Jones isn’t currently better than Dak. Right now he’s a bus driver who Dak outplayed earlier in the season. Jones is playing for a better organization under a better HC who has 6 championships. That’s the only reason he has a better chance to win a Super Bowl than Dak.
 

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Yup the hardest thing to find is a Qaulity QB...we have had 2 here in the last 20 years and yet we still dont understand what the problem is.

The problem starts at the top with the Joneses and the head coaches they hire. No matter who the head coach is we see the same issues year after year.
 
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