Is Dak the only super greedy QB in Cowboys history?

[kskboys]

Those numbers are a little misleading, at least according to Grover Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform. The group has seized upon Romo's deal to bolster its anti-tax message, arguing that, after taxes, Romo's salary actually tops that of Flacco, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and every other player in the league.

A QBs salary is only relevant as it pertains to the salary cap. The actual pay is personal to the player and completely irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[DallasEast]

A QBs salary is only relevant as it pertains to the salary cap. The actual pay is personal to the player and completely irrelevant to this discussion.

^ This. Greed is entirely subjective. It can be argued practically every professional sports athlete demonstrates some degree of greed. Heck, amateur athletes have started doing the same in this era of NIL.

Any NFL player's contract compensation has a direct and measurable effect on their team's salary cap. Salaries vary but the quarterback position is the largest common denominator in that aspect across the board.

This thread was created to demonstrate how Dak Prescott's greed is relational to Tony Romo's. The video example was completely off the mark but the OP premise of 'outlandish' greed remains.

In my opinion, discussion should do a 180 and return to how player salary can negatively impact how the front office can and should utilize its cap to its full potential. Of course, there is no way of separating how management incompetency compounds the problem, but it is what it is.

 

[SultanOfSix]

^ This. Greed is entirely subjective.

I believe you meant is that what is deemed to be greed is subjective. Everyone can have opinions, even wrong ones.

The concept is objective but its application is mostly relative.

Dak is seen as "greedy" because it can be argued that he demanded more than what he is worth and this will cost the rest of the team - and by extension the fanbase - in a desired goal to win championships. No one would complain that Dak was paid $60 million a year if he was a significant component in helping the team compete for SBs, e.g., like Maholmes or some other "elite" QB, instead of being a detriment to the process.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

well, he chose it at the end of his career and really how much less did he take? people speak as if he took minimum wage.
Brady's first contract was the highest in the NFL at the time
his secodn contract was the highest in the NFL

don't forget Brady played for over 20 years....so yeah, he wasn't a quire boy playing for minimum wage. plus his wife at the time was making 3 times what he made.

and on that point. Brady is one....how many others made "sacrifices"? people keep going to the goat and compare everyone in the NFL ever to the goat.

this is not a defense of saying Dak deserved or not deserved the contract. IMHO, I would have paid less and negotiated harder. but that's Jerry for you. this is to say its very stupid to use brady as an example of what 1000s of other NFL players should do.

Uhm... Did you see Dak play this year? Dak choose to take more at the end of his Career... Again, we got some people on here expecting 2023 next year instead of a continuation of the 3-5 2024. People who once said that Romo was at the end of his career that one more hit would take him out can't except the fact that Dak has taken his punishment through his career as well, and with him it has slowed him down to where he will take sacks in the backfield as he is not elusive and will take the hit. Now he has suffered an injury that tend to slow down players even more, but yet people think he will find the fountain of youth...

 

[kskboys]

^ This. Greed is entirely subjective. It can be argued practically every professional sports athlete demonstrates some degree of greed. Heck, amateur athletes have started doing the same in this era of NIL.

Any NFL player's contract compensation has a direct and measurable effect on their team's salary cap. Salaries vary but the quarterback position is the largest common denominator in that aspect across the board.

This thread was created to demonstrate how Dak Prescott's greed is relational to Tony Romo's. The video example was completely off the mark but the OP premise of 'outlandish' greed remains.

In my opinion, discussion should do a 180 and return to how player salary can negatively impact how the front office can and should utilize its cap to its full potential. Of course, there is no way of separating how management incompetency compounds the problem, but it is what it is.

To get a true feeling of Romo's salary vs Dak's salary in relation to the effect on the salary cap, you must look at the percentage. Dak's average salary is over 1/5th of the entire cap. Wasn't Romo's more like a 10th?

And then add in, Romo signed longer term deals, and then renegotiated so Jerry could attempt to build a contender. Yes, he failed, but that's not on Romo.

Dak, OTOH, insists on short term deals. That is where the extreme greed comes in. Those 4 year over the market deals are nothing but pure greed. And did you see Dak renegotiating so we could push some of his bloated salary down the road? Once again, that's where the greed comes in. Dak's contract is anti-team and anti-contention.

 

[kskboys]

I believe you meant is that what is deemed to be greed is subjective. Everyone can have opinions, even wrong ones.

The concept is objective but its application is mostly relative.

Dak is seen as "greedy" because it can be argued that he demanded more than what he is worth and this will cost the rest of the team - and by extension the fanbase - in a desired goal to win championships. No one would complain that Dak paid $60 million a year if he was a significant component in helping the team compete for SBs, e.g., like Maholmes or another "elite" QB, instead of being a detriment to the process.

It's more about the short length of the contract and the refusal to renegotiate so salary can be pushed down the road. That is extreme greed, not to mention narcissism and self love.

 

[Diehardblues]

Brady was less selfish than Dak. He chose to take less for the chance of more championships.

Yea but that’s a rare example and not the norm. Most teams find a way or the QB is enough besides contract.

And once Brady didn’t want to play for less he bolted to Tampa.

The bigger problem here is Prescott isn’t Elite enough to overcome warranting his contract. And remember we couldn’t advance any further even on his Rookie contract.

 

[kskboys]

Yea but that’s a rare example and not the norm. Most teams find a way or the QB is enough besides contract.

And once Brady didn’t want to play for less he bolted to Tampa.

The bigger problem here is Prescott isn’t Elite enough to overcome warranting his contract. And remember we couldn’t advance any further even on his Rookie contract.

And he played for much less at Tampa.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's more about the short length of the contract and the refusal to renegotiate so salary can be pushed down the road. That is extreme greed, not to mention narcissism and self love.

And maybe the fact he doesn’t have much faith our dysfunctional ownership has the ability to make use of that savings. Afterall we couldn’t build any better or as advance further when he was on his Rookie contract.

Just saying not that I don’t agree to a certain extent . But it’s rare for a player not to optimize his value. It’s up to the FO to manage not the players.

If we have over valued Prescott then it’s poor mgmt which has disabled our opportunity to allow more money to build around a less than Elite QB

 

[Diehardblues]

And he played for much less at Tampa.

But he was at end of his career. That’s probably all he could fetch at 42 or whatever he was. It was more than NE wanted to pay.

Regardless, Brady is not the example but rather the exception. Most teams figure it out and or don’t over value their QB, or move on.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's more about the short length of the contract and the refusal to renegotiate so salary can be pushed down the road. That is extreme greed, not to mention narcissism and self love.

I don’t blame him for optimizing his value. I blame our ownership and FO for ponying up. Which they have a history of over paying and over evaluating their stars.

 

[Diehardblues]

Why on this Gods earth would our owner over value Prescott?

Therein lies the root of the problem. We had ample time on his last contract while on Franchise Tag to maneuver another direction.

And we knew he’d be a tough negotiator again. Why not prepare to move on?

POOR MGMT!!!

 

[gtb1943]

To me the all time greediest QB was Brees. He got every penny he could get every time from the saints.

 

[Diehardblues]

A QBs salary is only relevant as it pertains to the salary cap. The actual pay is personal to the player and completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Correct. And the first 3 years of Daks last contract was 17,19 and 26 million cap hits respectively. And we still couldn’t build around him.

I’d argue it’s a two prong problem. One our FO is inept in building a better team around him. And the other our QB is over valued not enough to overcome those shortcomings. A double whammy of sorts.

 

[DallasEast]

subjective adjective (full definition link)
3b : relating to or being experience or knowledge as conditioned by personal mental characteristics or states

objective adjective (full definition link)
1a : expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations

I believe you meant is that what is deemed to be greed is subjective. Everyone can have opinions, even wrong ones.

The concept is objective but its application is mostly relative.

No. I meant subjective.

Dak is seen as "greedy" because it can be argued that he demanded more than what he is worth and this will cost the rest of the team - and by extension the fanbase - in a desired goal to win championships. No one would complain that Dak was paid $60 million a year if he was a significant component in helping the team compete for SBs, e.g., like Maholmes or some other "elite" QB, instead of being a detriment to the process.

Bold> In your opinion, does this meet the definition of objective or subjective?

 

[Diehardblues]

subjective adjective (full definition link)
3b : relating to or being experience or knowledge as conditioned by personal mental characteristics or states

objective adjective (full definition link)
1a : expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations


No. I meant subjective.


Bold> In your opinion, does this meet the definition of objective or subjective?

I’d argue that’s part of intention for the narrative he’s greedy is to defend the lack of his warranting Elite status in contract.

Instead of holding his lack of abilities or success more accountable it’s a mechanism to support it doesn’t allow for adequate allowance for a stronger supporting cast.

In other words Prescott isn’t Elite enough to carry or elevate a team which doesn’t have all of the supporting cast he needs . Assuming that cast would be enough.

And if that’s the case then he doesn’t warrant being in that Elite status of contracts however temporary it might be according to Market Price.

If that’s the case then the responsibility falls on our FO for over paying him. We shouldn't expect our QB to take less cause he’s not worth it or it deters from a stronger supporting cast. That responsibility should fall on our FO shoulders.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Yea but that’s a rare example and not the norm. Most teams find a way or the QB is enough besides contract.

And once Brady didn’t want to play for less he bolted to Tampa.

The bigger problem here is Prescott isn’t Elite enough to overcome warranting his contract. And remember we couldn’t advance any further even on his Rookie contract.

The problem also is, he isn't a spring chicken anymore. At this point of his career he is in decline and the time span of his contract is too lengthy. Some people around here are just in Denial about the impending disaster that is looming for this franchise

 

[DallasEast]

I’d argue that’s part of intention for the narrative he’s greedy is to defend the lack of his warranting Elite status in contract.

Instead of holding his lack of abilities or success more accountable it’s a mechanism to support it doesn’t allow for adequate allowance for a stronger supporting cast.

In other words Prescott isn’t Elite enough to carry or elevate a team which doesn’t have all of the supporting cast he needs . Assuming that cast would be enough.

And if that’s the case then he doesn’t warrant being in that Elite status of contracts however temporary it might be according to Market Price.

If that’s the case then the responsibility falls on our FO for over paying him. We shouldn't expect our QB to take less cause he’s not worth it or it deters from a stronger supporting cast. That responsibility should fall on our FO shoulders.

It is entirely about economics always. The disconnect is between fans and owners' mentality. Fans want accountability based on a merit system. Owners simply see the value of a player as they determine it.

This is why people (not necessarily owners but everyone else) hang on perceptions like Elite status. Let's take Dak Prescott and Tony Romo out of the discussion for a moment. We, non-owners, can ask ourselves questions like:

• Was Daniel Jones ever considered an elite quarterback? Did he deserve a $160 million extension with $92 million guaranteed?
• Was rookie JaMarcus Russell elite deserving $61 million/$29 million guaranteed? (Coincidentally, the owners FINALLY came to grips with this nonsense).
• Was Jordan Poole elite in getting a four-year, $128 million extension?
• Was Chris Davis elite before having seven-year/$161 million deal handed to him?

The above examples and more, across all professional sports around the world, are the reality. The reality is all professional athlete contracts will never correlate with what fans, media, etc., think is fair based on performance and ability.

Why? Because the owners do not think so. Sure, a handful of NFL owners have elite quarterbacks and compensate them enough in order to retain them. Most owners do not. Yet some still compensate their quarterbacks as such.

Why? Because the value they place on their quarterbacks exceeds the performance and ability qualifications judged by everyone else. That is the way it has always been. That is the way it will always be UNLESS the owners AND NFLPA come to a mutual agreement before March 2031 (when the current CBA expires) to change how players (or maybe JUST quarterbacks) are compensated.

 

[big dog cowboy]

This is the 18th page of this slop. How crappy IS our team if this is considered time well spent? Lol.

We are obsessed. An addict.

 

[big dog cowboy]

18 pages on whether Dak is the only super greedy QB in Cowboys history?

Whether he is or he isn’t…why the *** does it matter?

Welcome to the offseason where is sucks every day.