Is garrett a bigger problem then WAde?

[Dodger12]

Keep in mind what exactly Wade Phillips had in the secondary when he came onboard compared to what Jason Garrett had in the offense. The secondary cost us the Giants playoff game, it cost us other games that season and it just wasn't at all a strength during BP's tenure.

The defense has improved a ton while the O has remained inconsistent. We've picked up great depth at RB, we've picked up a very good TE (yes Marty B is very good, he was superman his rookie year), and our WR corp hasn't exactly been awful compared to anyone in the division at least while Garrett has been here.

Still the O is inconsistent, while the D has been consistently improving all season. Who deserves the blame for them being inconsistent?

The offense isn't going to put up 30 plus points every game. But I just don't see how people can claim the offense has been inconsistent (compared to the D) when, statistically speaking, the offense has been better. In 2007 we had the #4 ranked offense; in 2008 we dropped which I attribute to Romo's injury and Brad Johnson (even then we ranked around #13). In 2009, we're in the top 5 again. Where's the inconsistency?

My point earlier was that the poster I responded to stated that the offense had more than enough weapons to be successful. How can you hold the offense to a certain standard of success and feel that the D has been playing well when, in fact, the offese is statistically better? That just doesn't fly.

In addition, the defense is 22nd in the NFL in takeaways. Where's the consistency? We didn't have a turnover in 3 of our first 5 games and we didn't have a turnover against GB. In the 4 games where our D didn't have a turnover, we were 2 and 2, with our wins coming over the lowly Bucs and Chiefs.

But I digress. The topic of the thread is who's the bigger problem, Wade or JG. I'm a firm believer that the HC, not the OC, is responsible for how his team prepares and plays. People think we didn't run enough against GB. If Wade thought that was the case during the game, all he had to do was go to his OC and tell him that he wanted to run more. How hard can that be? I would expect Wade, as the head coach with his 30 years of NFL experience, to be able to identify those deficiencies and make the proper adjustments during the game. If he can't do that, then he's the problem and he can't leave soon enough.

 

[Future]

wk 1=34 points
wk 2=31
wk 3=21
wk 4=10
wk 5=26
wk 6 bye
wk 7=37
wk 8=38
wk 9=20
wk 10=7

you fail .....stare at this for a while and try again.........only problem with this offense is he didnt run when you wanted him too.......

he is responsible, personally, for more losses than wade. not a doubt in my mind

 

[Silverstar]

First, the RBs have 1,039yds, the TEAM has 1,170yds (includes QB scrambles, reverses, etc, not necessarily runs by design).

BUT, that's still 1,039yds on 201 carries by the RBs. That is a 5.2avg...not bad.

BUT, even using total team stats, Dallas is 8th in total rushing yards while 24th in attempts per game.

So here's what I see: this team, these RBs can run and if given the chance, they can pick up big yards.

24th in attempts/game?

I think the score dictates too much, to gauge an offense looking at rushing or passing attempts. If you're behind late in the game you tend to pass, if you're ahead you're gonna run the ball to eat up the clock etc.

For example, if Dallas goes up 35-0 at halftime (I hope) on the deadskins Sunday, you can expect Garrett to call a ton of rushing plays in the second half. We could rush 50 times and jump 10 spots from 24th to 14th or whatever, and it would have nothing to do with how effective our running game is. It just means, that we jumped on them early and wanted to eat up the clock and go home with a W.

 

[Cowboysfan570]

The offense isn't going to put up 30 plus points every game. But I just don't see how people can claim the offense has been inconsistent (compared to the D) when, statistically speaking, the offense has been better.

Statistically speaking sure, but that's only the case this season because of a bad couple of games to start the season. Simply put, the offense has taken games off while the defense has not. Even in 44-6, how many of those points came off of turnovers in our own territory?

It was the same deal with the Giants game this year and the Ravens game last year DESPITE all the injuries, with the exception of those two big runs they had what..230 yds? How many times did the O fail to score in the redzone that day?

The stats do not tell the story, the O is extremely good when it's on, but they've had days where they just don't do crap and the D keeps them in it. Like Baltimore or the Steelers last year, or the Giants or Packers this year. The D hasn't had a single game since 07 that I can see where they've just screwed the pooch in the same way as the O has on numerous occasions.

 

[dadymat]

he is responsible, personally, for more losses than wade. not a doubt in my mind

so if hes responsible for most of the 13 losses who is responsible for the 28 wins?.....his offense carried this team in 2007 ....in 2008 when the D started to improve but STILL gave up the back breaking plays the offense when (Romo was healthy) kept us in most games....this season its been a good balance... so who has been more Consistent?....Garrett has had a few games that were total hicups but overall hes been good....and like the previous poster said Wade was handed how many 1st rounders and high draft picks? while Garrett was handed UFAs and longshots....well, and a head case

 

[T-RO]

24th in attempts/game?

I want us to run more than we did last Sunday but there were a lot of circumstances that made that entirely understandable. We COULDN'T run Sunday.

Why some fans would have preferred we knock our heads into a brick wall is beyond me.

But beyond that...why is 24 bad in rushes per game?

• The Defending NFL Champion Cards are 32nd in attempts and lead their division.
• The decade's second best team, the Colts, are next at 31st
• The NFC's team of the decade the Eagles are at 29.
• We are virtually tied with the Steelers (23rd) in rushes per game. Their fans don't sit around and tear their coaches apart for the pass heavy approach that has been winning Super Bowls

Garrett is a frikking phenom and a huge success. Just look at the results. Some fans though are never happy and Always, Alway, Always blame the coaches for EVERYTHING that goes wrong.

 

[T-RO]

The D hasn't had a single game since 07 that I can see where they've just screwed the pooch in the same way as the O has on numerous occasions.

I think it's pretty funny you say that when our defense is currently ranked 4th and our defense is ranked 16th.

For every time you want to point to a turnover deep in our territory that created an easy score for the opponent----I can show you FIVE times the defense let an opposing offense flip the field and give the offense horrific field position. The defense also can't get off the field quickly to give the offense as many chances as most teams get.

 

[T-RO]

MYTH-BUSTER time again...

Our defense has been WORSE at generating turnovers as the offense has been at protecting the ball.

The offense is 19th in protecting the ball

Our defense is 30th in take-aways

So our defense is mediocre in yardage allowed and HORRIFIC in turnover generation. But then again...it's all Garrett's fault somehow I'm sure.

 

[Cowboysfan570]

I think it's pretty funny you say that when our defense is currently ranked 4th and our defense is ranked 16th.

For every time you want to point to a turnover deep in our territory that created an easy score for the opponent----I can show you FIVE times the defense let an opposing offense flip the field and give the offense horrific field position. The defense also can't get off the field quickly to give the offense as many chances as most teams get.

This being the same D that is something like 5th in the NFL on preventing 3rd down conversions, the same one that has allowed all of 18.8 pts a game, which is if not the top D in the NFC, just about? The same one that has barely allowed any opponent more than 300 yds since week 2? The same defense that ranks 9th in the league in rushing yards despite allowing 174 in the first week?

The D that limited Matt Ryan to less than 200 yards and sacked him four times despite being sacked only twice in the first five weeks, or McNabb to 230 and 2 picks when he averages a pick per 140some attempts, or Aaron Rodgers to less than 190 yds passing and 1 TD when hes averaging 270 and 2 TDs a game? That has created 18 sacks in the last 20 quarters of play?

Is that the D you're referring to? Because they're the reason we're 6-3 right now, not the O which has 3 games they just plain gave away and another 3 that they took forever to get going in. They're also why we ended 9-7 instead of 8-8 or worse in 08. I'm going to make you do it, show me those times. Go ahead and show me, because most games this year the D hasn't allowed more than 1-2 long drives. I don't think you can do it, I think you're using a bad first two weeks that skews the stats to paint a favorable picture for your PoV when the reality has been anything but since then.

 

[EPL0c0]

I want us to run more than we did last Sunday but there were a lot of circumstances that made that entirely understandable. We COULDN'T run Sunday.

Why some fans would have preferred we knock our heads into a brick wall is beyond me.

But beyond that...why is 24 bad in rushes per game?

• The Defending NFL Champion Cards are 32nd in attempts and lead their division.
• The decade's second best team, the Colts, are next at 31st
• The NFC's team of the decade the Eagles are at 29.
• We are virtually tied with the Steelers (23rd) in rushes per game. Their fans don't sit around and tear their coaches apart for the pass heavy approach that has been winning Super Bowls

Garrett is a frikking phenom and a huge success. Just look at the results. Some fans though are never happy and Always, Alway, Always blame the coaches for EVERYTHING that goes wrong.

b/c we have RBs that can bust through brick walls!! har har

I'm just not a big fan of the big play offense. I get excited about 66yd TD passes, don't get me wrong, but I think it can hurt the defense; this defense anyway. Dallas' defensive depth isn't exactly great, especially in the 2ndary. The run game, or a pass game that doesn't rely on the long ball, can help control the ball and the clock and keep the defense on the sidelines, resting.

Here's an odd stat: the 3rd QTR TOP has been in favor of opposing offenses (something like 4-6min for DAL to 9-11 for other teams). I wonder how much this wears down the defense and if it could be a reason for the defense giving up key drives in the 4th (at least in the 3 losses and vs KC).

I think they've done as good a job as could be asked of them despite the depth issues, etc, but this worries me as the season wears on and we start facing tougher opponents..

 

[kramskoi]

The offense isn't going to put up 30 plus points every game. But I just don't see how people can claim the offense has been inconsistent (compared to the D) when, statistically speaking, the offense has been better. In 2007 we had the #4 ranked offense; in 2008 we dropped which I attribute to Romo's injury and Brad Johnson (even then we ranked around #13). In 2009, we're in the top 5 again. Where's the inconsistency?

My point earlier was that the poster I responded to stated that the offense had more than enough weapons to be successful. How can you hold the offense to a certain standard of success and feel that the D has been playing well when, in fact, the offese is statistically better? That just doesn't fly.

In addition, the defense is 22nd in the NFL in takeaways. Where's the consistency? We didn't have a turnover in 3 of our first 5 games and we didn't have a turnover against GB. In the 4 games where our D didn't have a turnover, we were 2 and 2, with our wins coming over the lowly Bucs and Chiefs.

But I digress. The topic of the thread is who's the bigger problem, Wade or JG. I'm a firm believer that the HC, not the OC, is responsible for how his team prepares and plays. People think we didn't run enough against GB. If Wade thought that was the case during the game, all he had to do was go to his OC and tell him that he wanted to run more. How hard can that be? I would expect Wade, as the head coach with his 30 years of NFL experience, to be able to identify those deficiencies and make the proper adjustments during the game. If he can't do that, then he's the problem and he can't leave soon enough.

where's the inconsistency?

...offensive penalties, giveaways/turnover differential, drops, red-zone efficiency on the road, completion percentage, sacks......the biggest metric being scoring offense 32.8 - 24.9 ppg [with 2 punt returns for 14 points]...so actually its 23.4 ppg because Dallas had no punt or kickoff returns for points in 2007...9.4 ppg difference and that is signifcant...Dallas would likely be at least 8-1...

 

[thechosen1n2]

I'm just wondering what you guys think about this as of right now. I remember all the blame and pressure has always been on Wade. But if you think about it The Defense for the most part has played well except for some breakdowns here and there. However, Garrett has under his control a offense with more then enough weapon to be effective week in week out. IMO garrett has been the more dissapointing of the two. He abondons the run way to often, He outsmarts himself and doesnt seem to adjust well to a Defense that is stoping his Game plan.


HAS RED been getting a pass because WADE?

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YES!!! Point Blank....

 

[Doomsay]

The title of the thread should read like this "Is Garrett A Bigger Problem Than Wade". Grammatical errors bug me, sorry.

The answer to the question is yes, Garrett abandons the run too quick.

"Garrett abandons the run too quick" ...........too quickly [adverb]

 

[coblue]

Garrett is a bigger problem - but not by too much.

Its not about statisitical averages or history. Its about when he comes up short for the team and how.

When they play the better defenses or in big games with adverse weather conditions, and it is known you have to run the ball and the team expects too, he drifts away into must pass first.

This is why the team loses more crucial games than wins. This lack of faith in what the players want to do and can do cannot be overrated.

We expect him to do this and that it will fail - and so do the players. They expect to fail when it matters most.

 

[coblue]

Also, by the way, its not just how much he believes in the run or not, its how inflexible his passing schemes are. We don;t have a short and quick attack the middle scheme to go to. Other than the occasional screen or slant in the red zone, its all aggessive time consuming routes.

This not adjusting to hurt the defense and stop pressure hurts us more than ANYTHING else actually.

wk 1=34 points
wk 2=31
wk 3=21
wk 4=10
wk 5=26
wk 6 bye
wk 7=37
wk 8=38
wk 9=20
wk 10=7

you fail .....stare at this for a while and try again.........only problem with this offense is he didnt run when you wanted him too.......

 

[Future]

so if hes responsible for most of the 13 losses who is responsible for the 28 wins?.....his offense carried this team in 2007 ....in 2008 when the D started to improve but STILL gave up the back breaking plays the offense when (Romo was healthy) kept us in most games....this season its been a good balance... so who has been more Consistent?....Garrett has had a few games that were total hicups but overall hes been good....and like the previous poster said Wade was handed how many 1st rounders and high draft picks? while Garrett was handed UFAs and longshots....well, and a head case

It was also his offense that completely fell apart in December 07...and 08

 

[Dodger12]

Statistically speaking sure, but that's only the case this season because of a bad couple of games to start the season. Simply put, the offense has taken games off while the defense has not. Even in 44-6, how many of those points came off of turnovers in our own territory?

We're just so radically on opposite ends of the spectrum that a wholel lot of debate is realy futile. I can think of the D being completely slaughtered by the lowly Rams last year. You can thank the offense for winning some shootouts in Philly, NY and GB recently. The D has also played well on occassion but to make a blanket claim that the D hasn't taken any games off is ludacris when the Patriots, in a battle for NFL supremacy, pasted our D for 48 points. The only reason we were in that game was because our offense hung in there. Tell me again how our D never takes a game off....

It was the same deal with the Giants game this year and the Ravens game last year DESPITE all the injuries, with the exception of those two big runs they had what..230 yds? How many times did the O fail to score in the redzone that day?

The O put us in a position to win that game if the D could have come up with a stop on any one of TWO occassions. The Cowboys O had twice rallied to cut Baltimore's lead to two in the final 3:42, but the D let Baltimore score both times; first with a 77-yard touchdown run by Willis McGahee, and finally with an 82 yard touchdown run by Le'Ron McClain, of all people. The D faded with the game on the line and they needed to make on last stop, just like they've been doing for some time.

The stats do not tell the story, the O is extremely good when it's on, but they've had days where they just don't do crap and the D keeps them in it. Like Baltimore or the Steelers last year, or the Giants or Packers this year. The D hasn't had a single game since 07 that I can see where they've just screwed the pooch in the same way as the O has on numerous occasions.

They completely folded against Baltimore and faded against Pittsburgh. No, the offense wasn't great, although they brought us back against Baltimore, but they've folded late in the half or late in the game that it's almost become our trademark.

I'm not giving Garrett or our offense a blanket seal of approval like you do our defense in thinking they never take games off or haven't cost us games. But the initial thread topic was who was the bigger problem, Wade or JG. I lay it on the feet of the HC when we become one dimensional. It's maddening when Wade talks after a game and says we should have done this or that on offense or we should have gotten this person the football more. He's the HC and he has control of those adjustments during the game.

 

[Kangaroo]

The games that we've lost this season have all come down to the O either not doing anything or giving the game away. The defense has been playing VERY well for us so I would say yes.

You mean like when the O went down and scored for the lead and the defense let the Brocons go down and score was all the o's fault

 

[Dodger12]

They're also why we ended 9-7 instead of 8-8 or worse in 08.

And if the D could have sopped Jason ****ing Cambell in the second half, not given up 121 yards to Portis and 145 receiving yars to Moss and not had 12 men on the field in a crucial play on 3rd down with the game on the line, we might have been 10 and 6. If the D hadn't folded twice in the final 3 plus minutes in Baltimore, we might have been 11 and 5. If the D didn't completely get embarrassed by the lowly Rams, we might have been 12 and 4.
If the D hadn't given up 17 consective points to the Cardinals in the second half, giving back-up WR Steve Breaston 102 receiving yards and a TD or letting Warner go 22 of 30, we might have been 13 and 3. What's your point?

 

[chinch]

just a coach indeed is more a problem than Wade. he supersedes him in the chain-of-command also (longer contract)

however both need to go.

I'm just wondering what you guys think about this as of right now. I remember all the blame and pressure has always been on Wade. But if you think about it The Defense for the most part has played well except for some breakdowns here and there. However, Garrett has under his control a offense with more then enough weapon to be effective week in week out. IMO garrett has been the more dissapointing of the two. He abondons the run way to often, He outsmarts himself and doesnt seem to adjust well to a Defense that is stoping his Game plan.


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