Is Hamlin ever getting a contract?

[burmafrd]

At least 3/4 of that list was a joke. I don't know WHAT Watkins has done to make ANYONE think he can do as well as Hamlin. I certainly have not seen it.

 

[TheCount]

At least 3/4 of that list was a joke. I don't know WHAT Watkins has done to make ANYONE think he can do as well as Hamlin. I certainly have not seen it.

I don't think he's better than Hamlin, but if Hamlin takes his holdout into the season by some freak occurrence, I wouldn't feel terrible about having Hamlin man his spot.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Then go ahead and give us a LONG list(or lack thereof) of those times when the opposition just exploited us with that deep ball.(alot like the numerous times we witnessed when Keith Davis was taking numerous bad angles)

I will point out two occasions since they stick into my mind right now.

1 Giants playoff game.
2 Ryan grants TD run

there's more than that but this is what I remember since it was a while ago. However I just don't think him being a solid contributor while warrant him getting paid like he is Ed Reed. Also the camera is to focused on RW after we give up a big play so it's hard to say.

1. The RW bashing has been going on on CZ since '04.

2. If we were 3-13 instead, Romo, Flo and TO would likely get all the bashing here, in addition to Roy.

I'm glad you know whats been going on with this site for four years when you registered a month before me.

Watkins is a playmaker. I like how the Pat's do business if you think your to much for the system get out. Your easily rotated and easily replaced. I think they way they handle business is something to be respected at. Ken Hamlin doesn't want to play ball with the cowboys f him. I have no reason not to believe that watkins and step in and out perform or perform at the same level as Hamlin. I think wade defensive system go allow for us to be like this.

You guys are harping on the past to much also thinking like he's the best FS we had since Woody blah blah blah. This is the best team we had in a while and we shattered a lot of cowboys records. I support the coaches and the coaching staff way before any hold out for the cowboys and that means anybody (since none of the big names are going to hold out this is a fair assessment =).

 

[tskyler]

Think about this from a long term perspective. I like Hamlin. I was puzzled when we signed him. I thought he was average. He out performed my expectations.

Here is the big But... But he is not in my mind elite. I think he is above average. I think the cowboys think that too. I think the writing is on the wall for the following scenario.

Cowboys know they have a good thing in Hamlin. The franchise him since they don't have a replacement ready. (they are not up on Watkins yet) Meanwhile, they trade or draft for two new corners and resign Newman. Hmmm.. what do we have here. 4 extremely good corners in the near future. Jenkins comes along in a year. We hope for PacMan to stay out of trouble. And who knows maybe Scandrick comes along. Plus they like Ball and others. So what are Jerry and Wade thinking....

Next year we are loaded at corner... Lets move Henry to FS with Watkins as backup. We wont sign a long term deal with Hamlin. We wont release Roy. Our franchise tag just bought us a crucial year to get corner settled and begin to aclimate Henry in some safety packages. This move is just too easy to see.

Skyler

 

[Hoofbite]

Ook i see

Ed Reed
OJ Atogwe
Kerry Rhodes
Reggie Nelson
Antoine Bethea
Von Hutchins
Antoine Winfield
John Lynch
Tanard Jackson
Gibril Wilson
Gerald Alexander
Josh Bullocks
Madieu Williams
James Sanders
Terrence Holt
Brian Dawkins

Winfield is a corner.


Terrence Holt
John Lynch
Von Hutchins
James Sanders

And those 4. If you added up their Pass deflections and INTs they still wouldn't have more then Hamlin.

4 guys combined are outplayed by 1 guy and yet each of the 4 are better than the one?

How does that work?

 

[dbair1967]

At least 3/4 of that list was a joke. I don't know WHAT Watkins has done to make ANYONE think he can do as well as Hamlin. I certainly have not seen it.

I dont know that anyone honestly thinks he's "better", but if Hamlin costs 40 million to get into camp and play, and Watkins makes around the league minimum, is there honestly THAT much difference? I say no

Watkins obviously isnt the tackler that Hamlin is, but Watkins is faster and has better range too...and he's been in the defense for two yrs now

David

 

[CrazyCowboy]

eventually, yes

 

[Bungarian]

I will point out two occasions since they stick into my mind right now.

1 Giants playoff game.
2 Ryan grants TD run

there's more than that but this is what I remember since it was a while ago. However I just don't think him being a solid contributor while warrant him getting paid like he is Ed Reed. Also the camera is to focused on RW after we give up a big play so it's hard to say.



I'm glad you know whats been going on with this site for four years when you registered a month before me.

Watkins is a playmaker. I like how the Pat's do business if you think your to much for the system get out. Your easily rotated and easily replaced. I think they way they handle business is something to be respected at. Ken Hamlin doesn't want to play ball with the cowboys f him. I have no reason not to believe that watkins and step in and out perform or perform at the same level as Hamlin. I think wade defensive system go allow for us to be like this.

You guys are harping on the past to much also thinking like he's the best FS we had since Woody blah blah blah. This is the best team we had in a while and we shattered a lot of cowboys records. I support the coaches and the coaching staff way before any hold out for the cowboys and that means anybody (since none of the big names are going to hold out this is a fair assessment =).

If you want to prove your point you will need a lot more than two. You must do better or admit you are wrong and got called on it.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Winfield is a corner.


Terrence Holt
John Lynch
Von Hutchins
James Sanders

And those 4. If you added up their Pass deflections and INTs they still wouldn't have more then Hamlin.

4 guys combined are outplayed by 1 guy and yet each of the 4 are better than the one?

How does that work?

meh they had him listed as a FS.

They all had more tackles so

If you want to prove your point you will need a lot more than two. You must do better or admit you are wrong and got called on it.

No i'm not wrong nor do I get called on it your asking something from that very improbable the only way I could look this up is if I got all the games from last year and reviewed the tapes.

 

[Bungarian]

meh they had him listed as a FS.

They all had more tackles so


No i'm not wrong nor do I get called on it your asking something from that very improbable the only way I could look this up is if I got all the games from last year and reviewed the tapes.

Let get this right. You claim he messed up a lot last year and is average. No one believes you. Someone ask you to name better safeties. You come up with a poor list that proves you wrong. Someone asks you to name where he made mistakes. You give two examples then admit you don't have any more and you would have to watch game tape. Proving that you did not know what you were talking about when you claimed he messed up many times.

So to prove your arguement you say no I am not wrong but I cannot prove it?
:laugh2:

 

[Boysboy]

I will point out two occasions since they stick into my mind right now.

1 Giants playoff game.
2 Ryan grants TD run

1. Pretty much everyone stunk it up in that Giants' playoff game-the goat, actually, was Jacques Reeves. Who, thankfully, is gone.

2. If you want to use this logic based on 2 plays, then-remember that '96 game against the Eagles at TX Stadium when we were driving for the winning score(and had at least a FG in our grasps), Aikman threw a pick in the endzone that was returned for a TD, which iced the game for the Birds.

I guess this would make Aikman a horrible, non-HOF worthy QB himself..

 

[DaBoys4Life]

1. Pretty much everyone stunk it up in that Giants' playoff game-the goat, actually, was Jacques Reeves. Who, thankfully, is gone.

2. If you want to use this logic based on 2 plays, then-remember that '96 game against the Eagles at TX Stadium when we were driving for the winning score(and had at least a FG in our grasps), Aikman threw a pick in the endzone that was returned for a TD, which iced the game for the Birds.

I guess this would make Aikman a horrible, non-HOF worthy QB himself..

I gave 2 examples of stuff that stuck out in my mind that I remembered. I didn't say I was basing his career off of this nor is an Aikman comparison needed to go to such an extreme in order to defend Hamlin is what I'm talking about.

Let get this right. You claim he messed up a lot last year and is average. No one believes you. Someone ask you to name better safeties. You come up with a poor list that proves you wrong. Someone asks you to name where he made mistakes. You give two examples then admit you don't have any more and you would have to watch game tape. Proving that you did not know what you were talking about when you claimed he messed up many times.

So to prove your arguement you say no I am not wrong but I cannot prove it?
:laugh2:

Na your mistaken I'll reiterate my points. I feel that Hamlin benefited mostly from the system isn't a play maker doesn't is average isn't worth the over price of the safety market. I also feel that Watkins could step in and be better i also feel that Hamlin played average for us and the mistakes he did make were overlooked because A we went 13-3 and 2 RW got all the heat last season. I provided to instance where I remember of course you say it's not enough. Then I say the only way for me to really see is to go back and look at the tape in order to list all his mistake which is what you want me to. After I made that list of safeties which was BS in it on because I don't wantch all them other teams games. so w/e........

 

[ajk23az]

Ook i see

Ed Reed
OJ Atogwe
Kerry Rhodes
Reggie Nelson
Antoine Bethea
Von Hutchins
Antoine Winfield
John Lynch
Tanard Jackson
Gibril Wilson
Gerald Alexander
Josh Bullocks
Madieu Williams
James Sanders
Terrence Holt---
Brian Dawkins

alot of those guys you named are/were on the worst pass defenses in the NFL.

Holt...Madieu Williams..Atogwe..Winfield..josh bullocks...von hutchins

john lynch is HORRIBLE

Gibril Wilson has had ONE decent year

your fighting a losing battle and you won't win.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Think about this from a long term perspective. I like Hamlin. I was puzzled when we signed him. I thought he was average. He out performed my expectations.

Here is the big But... But he is not in my mind elite. I think he is above average. I think the cowboys think that too. I think the writing is on the wall for the following scenario.

Cowboys know they have a good thing in Hamlin. The franchise him since they don't have a replacement ready. (they are not up on Watkins yet) Meanwhile, they trade or draft for two new corners and resign Newman. Hmmm.. what do we have here. 4 extremely good corners in the near future. Jenkins comes along in a year. We hope for PacMan to stay out of trouble. And who knows maybe Scandrick comes along. Plus they like Ball and others. So what are Jerry and Wade thinking....

Next year we are loaded at corner... Lets move Henry to FS with Watkins as backup. We wont sign a long term deal with Hamlin. We wont release Roy. Our franchise tag just bought us a crucial year to get corner settled and begin to aclimate Henry in some safety packages. This move is just too easy to see.

Skyler

I have said before and I'll say it again. Henry can't stay healthy at cb how do you expect him to stay healthy at FS where he'll have to make more tackles?

Henry is not the answer at FS.

Also Hamlin has a contract offer on the table he just needs to sign it.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

alot of those guys you named are/were on the worst pass defenses in the NFL.

Holt...Madieu Williams..Atogwe..Winfield..josh bullocks...von hutchins

john lynch is HORRIBLE

Gibril Wilson has had ONE decent year

your fighting a losing battle and you won't win.

i like John lynch and he's allowed to have one down year if you consider his career. So know the overall pass defense matters for indvidual play. Atogwe is the 2nd best player at his position on behind Ed Reed.

 

[ajk23az]

i like John lynch and he's allowed to have one down year if you consider his career. So know the overall pass defense matters for indvidual play. Atogwe is the 2nd best player at his position on behind Ed Reed.

John Lynch was going to retire. He's done. He is still a good run stopper but his pass defense is horrendous.

 

[Bungarian]

I gave 2 examples of stuff that stuck out in my mind that I remembered. I didn't say I was basing his career off of this nor is an Aikman comparison needed to go to such an extreme in order to defend Hamlin is what I'm talking about.



Na your mistaken I'll reiterate my points. I feel that Hamlin benefited mostly from the system isn't a play maker doesn't is average isn't worth the over price of the safety market. I also feel that Watkins could step in and be better i also feel that Hamlin played average for us and the mistakes he did make were overlooked because A we went 13-3 and 2 RW got all the heat last season. I provided to instance where I remember of course you say it's not enough. Then I say the only way for me to really see is to go back and look at the tape in order to list all his mistake which is what you want me to. After I made that list of safeties which was BS in it on because I don't wantch all them other teams games. so w/e........

So what you are saying is that Hamlin made a bunch of bad plays and is average or worse. This board disagrees with you. The coaches and scouts on the Cowboys disagree with you. The NFL experts and talk show guys disagree with you. The players who voted him into the Pro Bowl disagree. Other teams scouts and coaches disagree with you. Hamlin was franchised because a bunch of other teams wanted him.

You can produce no proof that what you say is true but you want us to believe you because you say it is true. I am not trying to give you a hard time but I think you made a statement that is untrue and that you cannot prove. You should admit you are wrong.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

So what you are saying is that Hamlin made a bunch of bad plays and is average or worse. This board disagrees with you. The coaches and scouts on the Cowboys disagree with you. The NFL experts and talk show guys disagree with you. The players who voted him into the Pro Bowl disagree. Other teams scouts and coaches disagree with you. Hamlin was franchised because a bunch of other teams wanted him.

You can produce no proof that what you say is true but you want us to believe you because you say it is true. I am not trying to give you a hard time but I think you made a statement that is untrue and that you cannot prove. You should admit you are wrong.

If he was a key as you say he was he would be locked up already..... Oh wait he isn't MB3 TO Newman Adams where all taken care of yet this guy still doesn't have a contract. Never did i say he mad a bunch of bad play I said his bad plays were over looked. Because of .... listed my reason and then I stated 2 plays that stuck out in my mind and to give more I would have to review film so take however you want but you are taking my words the wrong way.

 

[Hoofbite]

They all had more tackles so

So? So what?

 

[Bungarian]

If he was a key as you say he was he would be locked up already..... Oh wait he isn't MB3 TO Newman Adams where all taken care of yet this guy still doesn't have a contract. Never did i say he mad a bunch of bad play I said his bad plays were over looked. Because of .... listed my reason and then I stated 2 plays that stuck out in my mind and to give more I would have to review film so take however you want but you are taking my words the wrong way.

So you take the fact that he has not been signed and was franchised to prove your point. That makes no sense. He will be signed for big money.

I say you are wrong and the world agrees with me. Prove me wrong.