Is it all on MM for this seasons success?

CouchCoach

Staff member
Messages
41,122
Reaction score
74,959
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Yea, this sets up for a beautiful high drama comparison .

If Moore and Herbert light it up in LA while MM and Prescott take a step back or at least no more progress , it’s likely not going to go well for MM.

And I totally agree. Not many better places for Moore to rebound than with one of the most highly touted QB’s this era. Makes us really take pause and wonder if it was Moores offense and playcalling which helped uplift Prescott and our offense. And if he was used as a scapegoat for Dak and MM.

Coach , this is a level of drama none of us could have scripted any better . It’s going to be quite a side show for fans, critics and the media to closely watch. Should be fun. Lol
Yep, the media has required Cowboys coverage and this is going to be right at the front, along with Prescott Pick Watch.
 

charron

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,407
Reaction score
14,820
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
Isn't it always the HC? Garrett gets blamed even when he was forced to let Linehan call plays. Mike has more control of the offense now than ever.
 

jazzcat22

Staff member
Messages
80,590
Reaction score
101,236
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
We have people around here who have hated MM ever since he got here, so yeah they'd fire him for anything, including 16-2 and losing the division round like you said.
We have people on here that hate everything and every player and every coach no matter what. :lmao:
 

Big_D

Well-Known Member
Messages
11,208
Reaction score
15,510
It's 1000% on MM this year. Everyone wanted Garrett gone, MM was hired to get the team further than Garrett did.. so far he has not done so. You can say this is better or that is better but the end results are the same. MM was not hired to win 12 games a year and bow out in the divisional round, Garrett could do that. If MM does not get this team past the divisional round this year (barring some serious injuries to key players), he will be gone, IMO.
Garrett did it twice in a 10 year span. There’s still a matter of evaluating talent and building a roster. He sucked all the way around. Nothing equal about these coaches and thinking 3 12 win seasons in a row is grounds to be fired is laughable. We all want to get past the divisional round, but you don’t move on from coaches winning double digits every year. Some always think the grass will be greener while clamoring for the biggest choke job coach in Super Bowl history! Then we can only hope the dumazz owner will be able to make a quality decision in that scenario.
 

Motorola

Well-Known Member
Messages
10,937
Reaction score
9,702
Yea, this sets up for a beautiful high drama comparison .

If Moore and Herbert light it up in LA while MM and Prescott take a step back or at least no more progress , it’s likely not going to go well for MM.

And I totally agree. Not many better places for Moore to rebound than with one of the most highly touted QB’s this era. Makes us really take pause and wonder if it was Moores offense and playcalling which helped uplift Prescott and our offense. And if he was used as a scapegoat for Dak and MM.

Coach , this is a level of drama none of us could have scripted any better . It’s going to be quite a side show for fans, critics and the media to closely watch. Should be fun. Lol
And DBH - it will highlighted nationwide 1/3 into the season, with a mid-October matchup on MNF between the two teams.
A sidenote: both DAL and LAC have home games on Oct 1st (NE and LV, respectively); but then the Chargers have a bye week October 8th, while the Cowboys have an away game that Sunday versus who -- the 49ers.
Surely Dallas will remain on the west coast after the first game in southern California, to prepare for the next one there further up the coast 8 days later.
 

conner01

Well-Known Member
Messages
28,855
Reaction score
26,549
The other thing that was mentioned, MM's best year when calling plays they went 15-1, but lost in the divisional round. And had a better overall offense than the previous year stats wise.
That was 2011.
Of course in 2010 at 10-6 they won the SB.
I don’t think it’s all in MM but a good part of it is. Moore wasn’t bad but his play calling could be feast or famine
We just need consistency on offense
I think MM will be better at situational play calling. It’s not always about hitting the big play but keeping the chains moving. Pick your spots to hit the big plays
The biggest factor no one can control and that’s staying healthy, especially the oline where working together is really important
 

Buzzbait

Well-Known Member
Messages
16,161
Reaction score
12,536
It's 1000% on MM this year. Everyone wanted Garrett gone, MM was hired to get the team further than Garrett did.. so far he has not done so. You can say this is better or that is better but the end results are the same. MM was not hired to win 12 games a year and bow out in the divisional round, Garrett could do that. If MM does not get this team past the divisional round this year (barring some serious injuries to key players), he will be gone, IMO.
Yes he has. I understand your point, but Garrett didn't get the nickname 8-8 for nothing. During his tenure, he went 8-8 4 times and worse than that twice. His overall win percentage was a paltry .559! I'll take 12 wins anytime over that.
 

Big_D

Well-Known Member
Messages
11,208
Reaction score
15,510
Yes he has. I understand your point, but Garrett didn't get the nickname 8-8 for nothing. During his tenure, he went 8-8 4 times and worse than that twice. His overall win percentage was a paltry .559! I'll take 12 wins anytime over that.
Even that 559 was a sham when they’re adding those crap wins from 2010 already eliminated by mid season. Nothing left to play for, that’s when he shined the most. No one beat up on garbage teams at the tail end of a meaningless season better than he did.
 

DuncanIso

Well-Known Member
Messages
11,461
Reaction score
7,286
I don’t think it’s all in MM but a good part of it is. Moore wasn’t bad but his play calling could be feast or famine
We just need consistency on offense
I think MM will be better at situational play calling. It’s not always about hitting the big play but keeping the chains moving. Pick your spots to hit the big plays
The biggest factor no one can control and that’s staying healthy, especially the oline where working together is really important
I think there are issues.

The OC and OL coaches are not WestCoast disciples.

The HC wants to run WestCoast. And call the plays.

He’s had a death grip on that play sheet for 3 years.

Would have been best to keep KMoore and tweak things.

Too much infighting….
 

Whirlwin

Cowboy , It’s a way of life.
Messages
25,816
Reaction score
17,488
Yes, it’s all about the coach. Calling the plays that fit the offense, the best, not just something you want to call, just because. It’s in your itinerary. Dink dunk Methodical football is what we should be getting back to.
 

DandyDon52

Well-Known Member
Messages
22,621
Reaction score
16,508
It's 1000% on MM this year. Everyone wanted Garrett gone, MM was hired to get the team further than Garrett did.. so far he has not done so. You can say this is better or that is better but the end results are the same. MM was not hired to win 12 games a year and bow out in the divisional round, Garrett could do that. If MM does not get this team past the divisional round this year (barring some serious injuries to key players), he will be gone, IMO.
exactly, but we dont know what the jones boys expectations are with mike or dak.
My thinking is winning in the div round would appease the jones boys and most fans here. Thats all he has to do lol.

They will see it as a big improvement and good enough.
 

BigD_95

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,009
Reaction score
2,013
Doesn’t matter who the coach is - this is all on Dak. He needs to be good in every playoff game - Dak has proven he is too inconsistent. He can’t put together 3 or 4 straight games.
 

fairviewfarmer

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,105
Reaction score
1,728
The season is on Jerry, and his penchant to over pay players like Diggs. But Jerry never fires himself if said player underperforms and the team suffers as a result.
 

DandyDon52

Well-Known Member
Messages
22,621
Reaction score
16,508
this is the guy many here think will lead dallas to SB.
( these are not stats, they are results)

Mike in GB

1-3 in Champ games
1-3 in Div games
1-2 in WC games
the wins all came in the 2010 year GB won the SB
3-8 overall

Mike in Dallas
1-1 in WC games
0-1 in Div games
1-2 overall

Both teams

1-3 in Champ games
1-4 in Div games
2-3 in WC games
4-10 overall

Aside from the 2010 year, mike has lost every playoff game he was in at GB and at dallas, except he did beat a weak TB team in the playoffs
last season. TB had a losing record I think, and only made playoffs due to winning a really weak div.
In GB he had Rodgers, here he has dak, so for him to suddenly start winning playoff games, while possible, is very unlikely.

I just watched the playoff games where he beat dallas, then next week, had seattle down 16-0 but let off the gas ,played not to lose,
and lost to seattle in the champ game, boom another champ game loss.
4-10 overall should not inspire anyone lol, and then consider 3 of the 4 wins game in 2010 SB year, and the other against a very weak TB team.
you are what your record says you are? Well maybe but jerry heard bells when he hired mike, and if you give him a good enough team,
maybe he can win in playoffs.
Regardless, if KC goes to SB again this year, I dont see dallas beating them if they were to get there. Possible sure, but odds are against it.
 

kskboys

Well-Known Member
Messages
47,973
Reaction score
50,826
But that would be under the assumption he’s stopped meddling.

I tend to believe it’s much like Parcells said in you have to convince Jethro to go against his instincts which it appears MM and DQ have been fairly successful in doing .

But that doesn’t mean Jethro isn’t attempting to meddle . They are just shooting much of it down. For now anyway. But if disappointing season endings continue that patience and confidence will wear thin.
Different degrees of meddling.
 

Big_D

Well-Known Member
Messages
11,208
Reaction score
15,510
this is the guy many here think will lead dallas to SB.
( these are not stats, they are results)

Mike in GB

1-3 in Champ games
1-3 in Div games
1-2 in WC games
the wins all came in the 2010 year GB won the SB
3-8 overall

Mike in Dallas
1-1 in WC games
0-1 in Div games
1-2 overall

Both teams

1-3 in Champ games
1-4 in Div games
2-3 in WC games
4-10 overall

Aside from the 2010 year, mike has lost every playoff game he was in at GB and at dallas, except he did beat a weak TB team in the playoffs
last season. TB had a losing record I think, and only made playoffs due to winning a really weak div.
In GB he had Rodgers, here he has dak, so for him to suddenly start winning playoff games, while possible, is very unlikely.

I just watched the playoff games where he beat dallas, then next week, had seattle down 16-0 but let off the gas ,played not to lose,
and lost to seattle in the champ game, boom another champ game loss.
4-10 overall should not inspire anyone lol, and then consider 3 of the 4 wins game in 2010 SB year, and the other against a very weak TB team.
you are what your record says you are? Well maybe but jerry heard bells when he hired mike, and if you give him a good enough team,
maybe he can win in playoffs.
Regardless, if KC goes to SB again this year, I dont see dallas beating them if they were to get there. Possible sure, but odds are against it.

????

He won 10 playoff games in GB.


10-8 overall.
 

kskboys

Well-Known Member
Messages
47,973
Reaction score
50,826
this is the guy many here think will lead dallas to SB.
( these are not stats, they are results)

Mike in GB

1-3 in Champ games
1-3 in Div games
1-2 in WC games
the wins all came in the 2010 year GB won the SB
3-8 overall

Mike in Dallas
1-1 in WC games
0-1 in Div games
1-2 overall

Both teams

1-3 in Champ games
1-4 in Div games
2-3 in WC games
4-10 overall

Aside from the 2010 year, mike has lost every playoff game he was in at GB and at dallas, except he did beat a weak TB team in the playoffs
last season. TB had a losing record I think, and only made playoffs due to winning a really weak div.
In GB he had Rodgers, here he has dak, so for him to suddenly start winning playoff games, while possible, is very unlikely.

I just watched the playoff games where he beat dallas, then next week, had seattle down 16-0 but let off the gas ,played not to lose,
and lost to seattle in the champ game, boom another champ game loss.
4-10 overall should not inspire anyone lol, and then consider 3 of the 4 wins game in 2010 SB year, and the other against a very weak TB team.
you are what your record says you are? Well maybe but jerry heard bells when he hired mike, and if you give him a good enough team,
maybe he can win in playoffs.
Regardless, if KC goes to SB again this year, I dont see dallas beating them if they were to get there. Possible sure, but odds are against it.
Yeah, 10-8 playoff record in GB. Not sure where the 3-8 thingie came from, Dandy, you might have a bad source.

He's now 11-10 overall. Pet Carroll, for a comparsion, is 10-9 overall w/ SEA.
 
Top