Is it all on MM for this seasons success?

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On GMFB, Kyle Brandt hates the Cowboys because he says “we’re always talking about them!” Well, no one tells that show to do segment after segment about Dallas. They didn’t have to pick apart Jerry’s comments and try to figure out what they mean.

I just wish he would concede that it isn’t the Cowboys fault that they’re constantly at the forefront of that show.

I do like the show though.
I've unfollowed Brandt on social media because the anti-Cowboys schtick is tiresome and has become cookie cutter not just on his show, but with most national sports shows. The Cowboys are good for clicks, likes and views. I'm over it.
 

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Thats the problem with trying to enjoy the regular season.

9-8 and a NFCCG appearance is better than 15 wins and and early bounce, so even if they are winning nearly every game, no one is going to trust it.

After robbing myself of having nearly any joy out of the 14 and 16 seasons because I refused to believe they wouldn’t get picked off when it mattered most, I try not to feel that way in advance any longer.

I don’t think any negative Cowboys fan would rather be right than win, but it does take something away from it. But to each his own as to how they want to see things.

For me, lately anyway….”haha Jerry, you didn’t fool me. I knew you’d fail….” doesn’t make me feel better about it.
Preparation for disappointment does not work, it does not lessen the disappointment.

Being optimistic or pessimistic gets tangled up with being right or wrong. Those true fans predicting a dismal season will not be any happier than the optimists.

The problem with being a pessimist is if they're right, they're still not happy. I used to like to tell people I was either right or pleasantly surprised but that dodges the reward of having belief and faith in something that comes to fruition. And even if I am wrong, at least I was positive for a time and positive is healthier than negative.
 

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The biggest difference that I've seen w/ MM in charge is that I'm no longer laughing at the team. Isn't it funny how MM takes over, and not long after we have legit S's and NT's? Although we may be a bit short in an area or two, we are still a top 3 team in the NFC and a super bowl contender.
10 years under Garrett and the defense was a joke. The work on the Dline and secondary was definitely pathetic. The team mysteriously improved after a legitimate coaching change. Better in every phase with real competition.
 

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10 years under Garrett and the defense was a joke. The work on the Dline and secondary was definitely pathetic. The team mysteriously improved after a legitimate coaching change. Better in every phase with real competition.
Hankins could very well be the best NT we've ever had. The difference he made was monstrous.
 

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The OP is somewhat ironic or contradictory in my opinion because 2023 team success depends solely on how well a dominant defense can carry the offense.
Of which Mike McCarthy has zero gameday input.

So you give him fake credit this year just for being the head coach of a team that was carried by a defense that he had nothing to do with.

But then again,
the just fired coordinator's offense is remaining 70 percent intact so I guess this HC can receive a healthy 30 percent of successful change if there is any.

So I guess that's something.

But here's the thing,
His bottom line is still to win playoff games.

jmo
 

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The OP is somewhat ironic or contradictory in my opinion because 2023 team success depends solely on how well a dominant defense can carry the offense.
Of which Mike McCarthy has zero gameday input.

So you give him fake credit just for being the head coach of a team that was carried by a defense that he had nothing to do with.

But then again,
the just fired coordinator's offense is remaining 70 percent intact so I guess this HC can receive a healthy 30 percent of successful change if there is any.

So I guess that's something.

But here's the thing,
His bottom line is still to win playoff games.

jmo
Pickups since MM has been here: Hankins, Hooker, Kearse, Gilmore. And that's not even considering the draft picks, Diggs and Mazi.

The ironic thing is that this good D that has to carry the O/team was formed by MM.
 

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Totally accept your opinion as a well respected poster ksk, I'm just not the biggest MM fan because I question his actual contributions to all 3 phases since his hiring.
I'm of the opinion that it has been a coordinator driven team under his entire tenure and continues to be a Quinn led defensive squad this year of which he has little to do with.

Crediting whatever defensive personnel acquisitions that have been made, I again counter with Quinn's input as being the stronger influence to the FO.

I don't think he should be given credit just because he's the head coach of the success of the previous offense(Moore) or defense(Quinn) to this point.

So now I guess we will finally get to see what gameday advantage he really brings to the table by his changing a whole 30 percent of the offense.

He's fixing to find out the reality of how his same plays are executed is a very bad and possibly unfixable problem and not the plays he calls.

Fingers crossed regardless.
jmo
 
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10 years under Garrett and the defense was a joke. The work on the Dline and secondary was definitely pathetic. The team mysteriously improved after a legitimate coaching change. Better in every phase with real competition.
Yes and those previous years we missed badly in draft on defense along with some unnecessary risk in draft as well that didn’t pan out. Too many to list.

While we appear to have built a more balanced team we still haven’t kicked down the door that eventually got the regime change .

In the end if we don’t have more success in playoffs I suppose it will be a better feeling with a more proven and experienced HC who didn’t meet expectations or a HC who didn’t deserve to be a HC with no experience who made more out of a lesser balanced team than this with similar playoff success. It’s a mixed bag of feelings.
 

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I agree somewhat........just don't see Jerry firing him if he makes the playoff because of the year left on his deal. I see him riding MM out the final year of his deal and THEN not extending/resigning him.
Yea, could be. I’m sticking with my original thoughts from 4 years ago that MM is coaching for his next HC opportunity. Much like DQ appears to be doing as well.
 

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The biggest difference that I've seen w/ MM in charge is that I'm no longer laughing at the team. Isn't it funny how MM takes over, and not long after we have legit S's and NT's? Although we may be a bit short in an area or two, we are still a top 3 team in the NFC and a super bowl contender.
Overall I’d agree. Let’s hope that top 3 category continues this year but unfortunately with what appears to be a more balanced built team the frustrations in playoffs continue.

Which in the end could nullify the progress made. Not sure what’s worse. A better HC and team having less success or a lesser HC and team having similar success in playoffs.

It’s why ultimately the door has to be kicked down to solidify MM historical significance this era in Cowboys Football. Or it will probably be just another disappointment in Jethro Ball.
 

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The biggest difference that I've seen w/ MM in charge is that I'm no longer laughing at the team. Isn't it funny how MM takes over, and not long after we have legit S's and NT's? Although we may be a bit short in an area or two, we are still a top 3 team in the NFC and a super bowl contender.
Is that McC or Quinn's influence for those D positions?
 

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Preparation for disappointment does not work, it does not lessen the disappointment.

Being optimistic or pessimistic gets tangled up with being right or wrong. Those true fans predicting a dismal season will not be any happier than the optimists.

The problem with being a pessimist is if they're right, they're still not happy. I used to like to tell people I was either right or pleasantly surprised but that dodges the reward of having belief and faith in something that comes to fruition. And even if I am wrong, at least I was positive for a time and positive is healthier than negative.
I guess I was in the Insurance too long as our business was to prepare for worse case scenarios which could be defined as a negative approach . We always sold it as a sound financial preparation for life’s realities.

No doubt a positive attitude is healthy . It’s needed in your everyday pursuit of happiness. But one has to prepare for rainy days and the bumps in the road. Part of having a positive attitude is preparing for the negatives life deals you.

It’s a big reason why our owner wearing both hats with owner and GM had been a conflict of interest. As owner it’s his place to be an eternal optimist hyping and promoting his product but as a GM he has to prepare for worse case scenarios.

I’ve always hoped for the best and root the team on each game but part of analyzing, critiquing and handicapping is anticipating potential setbacks.

Fans wanting to be right over winning is a problem but it shouldn’t totally negate their opinions. We’ve even agreed that we get some satisfaction seeing our owners frustrations while the team suffers. It’s a mixed bag of feelings for sure.

I know in recent years of my career I was heavily involved with investment in the market. A huge part is instincts based on knowledge . If you sense a downturn and it comes to fruition you do deserve bragging rights for such insight much as those with upturn insights. It actually goes both ways.

Most with this instinct can anticipate both much like a gambler can anticipate a winning or losing streak. I think this positive and negative outlook can be very translatable to sports. Just not all fans have to be held directly accountable for their incorrect outlook or instincts as they would with money on the line.

But I think there is still some accountability. I can’t help it CC . I’m an accountant and I’ll always believe there is accountability. And if a fan wants to believe every year is the year that’s their prerogative but we shouldn’t hold any weight in their thoughts .

I’m all about trends and recent history. If a team is trending up then I’d be looking for greater results. If a team is treading water or a streak of disappointing results I’d be hesitant in predicting an upturn while remaining hopeful it could turn.

I’m not sure how realism is all too often grouped with negativism. I think the eternal optimist just wants to dismiss anything that’s not overly positive as negative. Fortunately most sports fans aren’t financially invested and they can cheer their team on with blinders on much like they would their child’s team.

Which brings me to my final point. There’s nothing in life we are more optimistic about than our children and their future. We set their goals high and make every effort to meet . But there are disappointments and or setbacks and at some point we do adjust our expectations while always remaining hopeful extending every opportunity.
 
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Yep

Unfortunately this is probably as good as we can attract with our type of ownership hanging over this franchise.

Washed up championship caliber HC’s who’s phone isn’t ringing or wanting to come out of retirement is probably all we can hope for .

The bigger question is if MM can’t get it done, who that Jethro would attract can?

And we must also remember that we might not have great enough talent at some of the key positions to win it all anyway. Even if we got thru the NFC I’m not sure we could get by top teams in AFC.

It is what it is. Despite whatever coaching we do have , ultimately this is a talent based league and the teams with the most Elite QB’s and defenses along with best coaching are going to have the best opportunities to win.
I think Quinn is the next Coach if McCarthy is fired.
 

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Yes and those previous years we missed badly in draft on defense along with some unnecessary risk in draft as well that didn’t pan out. Too many to list.

While we appear to have built a more balanced team we still haven’t kicked down the door that eventually got the regime change .

In the end if we don’t have more success in playoffs I suppose it will be a better feeling with a more proven and experienced HC who didn’t meet expectations or a HC who didn’t deserve to be a HC with no experience who made more out of a lesser balanced team than this with similar playoff success. It’s a mixed bag of feelings.


You still have to improve the football team to get there. Garrett wasn't doing that. This team looks stout right now. Compare it to that mess in 2019. That D couldn't buy a turnover. We'll see how it unfolds but you have a team that can 'contend' for the foreseeable future. That's the first order of business!! Make smart decisions in the offseason, hit in free agency, build depth, create competition. Good things will happen cause they weren't going anywhere without any of that. They at least have a real shot at kicking down the door. That window is just opening.
 

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Preparation for disappointment does not work, it does not lessen the disappointment.

Being optimistic or pessimistic gets tangled up with being right or wrong. Those true fans predicting a dismal season will not be any happier than the optimists.

The problem with being a pessimist is if they're right, they're still not happy. I used to like to tell people I was either right or pleasantly surprised but that dodges the reward of having belief and faith in something that comes to fruition. And even if I am wrong, at least I was positive for a time and positive is healthier than negative.
That's one thing some people don't understand. A pessimist would love to be wrong. When they're proven right, it's like you have to laugh but you're not happy. Just another year wasted.
 

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You still have to improve the football team to get there. Garrett wasn't doing that. This team looks stout right now. Compare it to that mess in 2019. That D couldn't buy a turnover. We'll see how it unfolds but you have a team that can 'contend' for the foreseeable future. That's the first order of business!! Make smart decisions in the offseason, hit in free agency, build depth, create competition. Good things will happen cause they weren't going anywhere without any of that. They at least have a real shot at kicking down the door. That window is just opening.
Understood but will the fall be greater with a better team and HC with such lofty expectations than without it?

The story before was that our team was underachieving but apparently with a lesser team and HC might have been doing more with less. Especially if this greater team and coaching staff doesn’t have anymore success.
 

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That's one thing some people don't understand. A pessimist would love to be wrong. When they're proven right, it's like you have to laugh but you're not happy. Just another year wasted.
And why I’ve always liked to be identified as a Realist. I’m optimistic in preparing for the cards life deals you.

I also have learned to adjust my expectations and plan accordingly based on trends and recent history.

I’ve never thought than a C student will become an honor student but with hard work and devotion can elevate themselves. That is an optimistic outlook while setting realistic expectations.

You don’t go thru life with so many lows and disappointments. It’s a much easier plan for success. Not everyone can be Valedictorian or win Gold. You can strive for it but without can still lead a very prosperous and productive life.
 

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Yeah, 10-8 playoff record in GB. Not sure where the 3-8 thingie came from, Dandy, you might have a bad source.

He's now 11-10 overall. Pet Carroll, for a comparsion, is 10-9 overall w/ SEA.
Yeah bad source and my error.
I came up with 9-8 because I dont consider the SB win a playoff game, that is a separate thing.
with cowboys he is 1-2 which makes it 10-10 take out the SB year and he is 6-10 with 3 of the 6 wins being WC wins.
He has lost all Conf champ games except the one in SB year, so is 1-3 in those.

So aside from the 1 good year, in 2010, he had the next 8 years end in the playoffs,, then he comes to cowboys.
year
1 didnt make playoffs
2 lost in WC round
3 Won in WC round,lost in div round

The game to me that stands out is 2016 where they knocked out dallas in div, then were up 16-0 in seattle, and let up and lost to Seattle.
That was some bad coaching.

So he is on a upward trend with dallas , but his playoff record isnt all that great.
And for his whole time in GB he had rodgers, and was in weak div. so his teams looked good, one was 15-1 , but they faltered
in the playoffs.
 
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