Is it just me that believes McFadden is starting RB?

[LittleBoyBlue]

Good points pro and con. Thanks

 

[CATCH17]

Melvin Gordon too

Im just not sold on Melvin Gordon anymore.

He was my favorite RB coming into the draft but I don't like how the guy runs in traffic after watching him more.


Right now, for me, I go Gurley, Coleman, Yeldon as the best fits for our team.

 

[jterrell]

Sorry but weak is that you factor no variables whatsoever.

It's NOT just stats.... "Come on, man!" ..... You know that.

Be nice. Lol

That's fair I guess.
Illogical variables can be better than none?

Obviously Murray had never had a big workload until he had a crazy, career year.
It was an insane outlier.
All factors being equal McFadden would have been the better bet LAST year.
Now one year later the narrative on each guy has changed 1000-fold.

Now 99.99% would take Murray over McFadden hands down.
I am not saying I am in that .01%, but I am saying perhaps we are basing farrrrrr too much on one season.

The variables are being considered by those defending McFadden's signing.
It is just the variables his detractors ignore:
OL
Coaching staff
Culture
Offensive system
Franchise QB, TE and WR in place

 

[DFWJC]

Im just not sold on Melvin Gordon anymore.

He was my favorite RB coming into the draft but I don't like how the guy runs in traffic after watching him more.


Right now, for me, I go Gurley, Coleman, Yeldon as the best fits for our team.

I'm not a Gordon in the 1st round guy either.

 

[jterrell]

Im just not sold on Melvin Gordon anymore.

He was my favorite RB coming into the draft but I don't like how the guy runs in traffic after watching him more.


Right now, for me, I go Gurley, Coleman, Yeldon as the best fits for our team.

The scary thing with Gordon for me is that he played at Wisconsin where virtually every back looks great in college.
And that he is overhyped right now. I do not think he is an R1 guy.

Gurley is the best overall back but he is coming off a serious injury and is also being overhyped.
Gurley is good but he's not better than Trent Richardson was coming out.

All in all I wouldn't draft a RB R1. Just no need with the success round 2 and 3 guys can have.

My favorite is Yeldon. He is Gurley light. He is nearly the same player physically. He runs a bit higher and is more of a slasher so avoids more contact. VERY similar running style to DeMarco. But he has more speed. He was banged up last year but played through it. That actually hurt his stock a bit. But his 3 year college total is absurdly good. And he did that with multiple R1 RBs on the roster for Bama the entire time. If he could have left as a freshman, IMHO he would have been a top 15 pick. I don;t think he warrants that but if he is there at the bottom of round 2 this is my dude.

 

[CATCH17]

The scary thing with Gordon for me is that he played at Wisconsin where virtually every back looks great in college.
And that he is overhyped right now. I do not think he is an R1 guy.

Gurley is the best overall back but he is coming off a serious injury and is also being overhyped.
Gurley is good but he's not better than Trent Richardson was coming out.

All in all I wouldn't draft a RB R1. Just no need with the success round 2 and 3 guys can have.

My favorite is Yeldon. He is Gurley light. He is nearly the same player physically. He runs a bit higher and is more of a slasher so avoids more contact. VERY similar running style to DeMarco. But he has more speed. He was banged up last year but played through it. That actually hurt his stock a bit. But his 3 year college total is absurdly good. And he did that with multiple R1 RBs on the roster for Bama the entire time. If he could have left as a freshman, IMHO he would have been a top 15 pick. I don;t think he warrants that but if he is there at the bottom of round 2 this is my dude.

Im right there with you man... It's all about Yeldon...


Although Tevin Coleman has so much upside.. A year or 2 in an NFL weight room and he could completely go to another level.

Right now Yeldon just seems so much more NFL ready then a lot of these guys. I guess all Bama players do though.

 

[Plankton]

The scary thing with Gordon for me is that he played at Wisconsin where virtually every back looks great in college.
And that he is overhyped right now. I do not think he is an R1 guy.

Gurley is the best overall back but he is coming off a serious injury and is also being overhyped.
Gurley is good but he's not better than Trent Richardson was coming out.

All in all I wouldn't draft a RB R1. Just no need with the success round 2 and 3 guys can have.

My favorite is Yeldon. He is Gurley light. He is nearly the same player physically. He runs a bit higher and is more of a slasher so avoids more contact. VERY similar running style to DeMarco. But he has more speed. He was banged up last year but played through it. That actually hurt his stock a bit. But his 3 year college total is absurdly good. And he did that with multiple R1 RBs on the roster for Bama the entire time. If he could have left as a freshman, IMHO he would have been a top 15 pick. I don;t think he warrants that but if he is there at the bottom of round 2 this is my dude.

Not sure how you can knock Melvin Gordon's production at Wisconsin under the guise of every running back being productive in that offense, and then hype T.J. Yeldon, who also played in an offense where every running back has been productive in the scheme (see Mark Ingram, Trent Richardson, Derrick Henry). Both backs have a lot of ability, but are completely different players.

Gurley, I believe, is a special runner, but there is some concern coming off his ACL tear. It is very likely that Gurley won't be back to his old self until his second year. For me, I would go with a David Johnson, who may be the most well rounded back in the class.

 

[jterrell]

Im right there with you man... It's all about Yeldon...


Although Tevin Coleman has so much upside.. A year or 2 in an NFL weight room and he could completely go to another level.

Right now Yeldon just seems so much more NFL ready then a lot of these guys. I guess all Bama players do though.

Broaddus actually says Coleman the Murray clone but I really don't see that.
I guess I am thinking more of Murray now and Broaddus is at draft time.
Now Murray is a patient runner that relies more on stiff arms than speed.
Coleman seems to play really hard and maybe a bit recklessly which can cause the fumbling issues we had with Murray so maybe that's what he sees.
He's definitely not patient.

I wouldn't at all be against Coleman here in that r2 area provided we don't trade up for him. Against Ohio State he had 228 yards. He also has 130+ versus both MichSt and Missou proving he can run versus anyone.
Only thing I don't like was he was the whole team for Indiana and really had a high carry load for a college back. 270 just last year was reallllly high. But fortunately he was much lower the prior two years with not even 200 combined.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

That's fair I guess.
Illogical variables can be better than none?

Obviously Murray had never had a big workload until he had a crazy, career year.
It was an insane outlier.
All factors being equal McFadden would have been the better bet LAST year.
Now one year later the narrative on each guy has changed 1000-fold.

Now 99.99% would take Murray over McFadden hands down.
I am not saying I am in that .01%, but I am saying perhaps we are basing farrrrrr too much on one season.

The variables are being considered by those defending McFadden's signing.
It is just the variables his detractors ignore:
OL
Coaching staff
Culture
Offensive system
Franchise QB, TE and WR in place

If you would agree that there are things that affect "a run" which I am sure you do then they can't be illogical.

This is not about who would you take Murray or DMF. THAT is illogical. One is no longer an option. Nor is it r point here.

 

[jterrell]

Not sure how you can knock Melvin Gordon's production at Wisconsin under the guise of every running back being productive in that offense, and then hype T.J. Yeldon, who also played in an offense where every running back has been productive in the scheme (see Mark Ingram, Trent Richardson, Derrick Henry). Both backs have a lot of ability, but are completely different players.

Gurley, I believe, is a special runner, but there is some concern coming off his ACL tear. It is very likely that Gurley won't be back to his old self until his second year. For me, I would go with a David Johnson, who may be the most well rounded back in the class.

Bama backs are all 5 star athletes coming out of high school that hold various state or national records.

Wisconsin has good but not special backs that look great in the system.
Bama has backs having success in the NFL. Wisconsin not so much.
Bama had 2 of the top 11 and 3 of the top 30 rushing totals in 2014. Wisconsin had no one in the top 40 IIRC.

 

[jterrell]

If you would agree that there are things that affect "a run" which I am sure you do then they can't be illogical.

This is not about who would you take Murray or DMF. THAT is illogical. One is no longer an option. Nor is it r point here.

sorry but no.
logic is real easy.

mcfadden rushing totals were higher than murray prior to 2014.
so it follows that one can not logically state prior rushing totals have any proven correlation to ability to rush behind this line or to stay healthy.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

sorry but no.
logic is real easy.

mcfadden rushing totals were higher than murray prior to 2014.
so it follows that one can not logically state prior rushing totals have any proven correlation to ability to rush behind this line or to stay healthy.

You can be sorry all you want.
Didn't say rushing totals. My post was about injuries and piss poor play around him.

But...

So you are selectively picking certain years. Ok. 2011 to 2013 McFadden does not have more yards than Murray.

Let's see with this line.

 

[jterrell]

You can be sorry all you want.
Didn't say rushing totals. My post was about injuries and piss poor play around him.

But...

So you are selectively picking certain years. Ok. 2011 to 2013 McFadden does not have more yards than Murray.

Let's see with this line.

that was NOT the argument.

the argument was:
mcfadden can't do what murray did last year because he had poor rushing ATTEMPT totals and was always limited by injury.
which again is illogical from the stand point murray had never had higher rushing ATTEMPT totals than mcfadden entering the season in question.
there is NO relation between prior ATTEMPT totals and last year.
which means there is really no relation between murray last year and this year either.
BOTH logically and statistically, neither player is likely to top 1500 yards or 270 carries in 2015.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

that was NOT the argument.

the argument was:
mcfadden can't do what murray did last year because he had poor rushing ATTEMPT totals and was always limited by injury.
which again is illogical from the stand point murray had never had higher rushing ATTEMPT totals than mcfadden entering the season in question.
there is NO relation between prior ATTEMPT totals and last year.
which means there is really no relation between murray last year and this year either.
BOTH logically and statistically, neither player is likely to top 1500 yards or 270 carries in 2015.

~~Sigh~~

My post was about DMF and players around him whiffing etc...

Anyway... I'll buy you a beer when he helps lead us to SB50 win!

 

[Stash]

Im just not sold on Melvin Gordon anymore.

He was my favorite RB coming into the draft but I don't like how the guy runs in traffic after watching him more.


Right now, for me, I go Gurley, Coleman, Yeldon as the best fits for our team.

I'm with you on that. I want no part of Gordon, especially what it would cost to get him in round 1. I think he's a system back.

I'll hope for the best with McFadden, but as many have said, I think (and hope) that the team isn't considering him as any sort of final answer at running back.

 

[KJJ]

~~Sigh~~

My post was about DMF and players around him whiffing etc...

Anyway... I'll buy you a beer when he helps lead us to SB50 win!

If teams around the league thought it was simply poor blocking and whiffs that were responsible for McFadden's lack of production and injuries the Raiders wouldn't have been looking to sign Murray and other teams would have jumped at McFadden once he was released. If everyone thought it was strictly the OL that made Murray as productive as he was in 2014 he wouldn't have cashed in the way he did. McFadden's 3.3 yards per carry average the past 3 years is the lowest of any RB in the league except for Trent Richardson who a few were screaming for the Cowboys to sign. You're going way overboard if you think McFadden is going to lead the Cowboys to the SB. Their chances of reaching the SB may have gone out the window with the loss of Murray. We just broke up our modern day triplets that had grown together from 8-8 seasons to a 12-4 season and possibly something special in 2015.

There's a thing called chemistry and those 3 had developed chemistry over the past 4 years. You're acting like we just signed the McFadden from 2008 who many thought was going to be something special. You need to stop dreaming that was numerous injuries and 7 years ago. The Cowboys didn't sign the McFadden who just completed his collage career at Arkansas. Go see how many veteran RB's who began to flame out with their original teams and were released went on to have a productive season with another team. They come in for a year or two do little to nothing and are sent packing. There was one FAN screaming for the Cowboys to sign MJD last offseason who completely flamed out in JAX. Are you going to tell me the 2.2 yards per carry he had with the Raiders this past season was due to whiffs and bad blocking? The blocking didn't seem to affect Latavius Murray who averaged 5.2 per carry.

All I know is the Cowboys better hope they come up with a great young talent at RB in the draft that can fit in and start being productive from day one or the major step forward the team took this past season may turn into a big stumble in 2015. Losing Murray could end up being the biggest regret Jerry has ever had because the Cowboys were on the brink of a possible SB run in 2015. That may come crashing down if the team can't replace Murray's production and the chemistry he developed over the past 4 years with his team mates. No one will ever convince me that the 90's Cowboys would have won 2 more SB's had Emmitt been replaced with another back messing with the chemistry that team had developed. Emmitt was replaced for the first 2 games of the 93 season during his holdout and the Cowboys lost both games.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You're acting like we just signed the McFadden from 2008 who many thought was going to be something special. You need to stop dreaming that was numerous injuries and 7 years ago..

By asking about his pros and cons AND believing maybe he can make some noise behind this line is not dreaming..... Hoping yes!


Some can't wait for injury just so they can be right.

Not me.

 

[CyberB0b]

All factors being equal McFadden would have been the better bet LAST year.
Now one year later the narrative on each guy has changed 1000-fold.

I don't think that's true, at all.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Murray leafing and McFadden coming half me thinking (and I usually dont like to think): I wonder what Garrett half up his sleeve as to the passing game, now that the running game half clearly taken a back seat in this team. I espect romo to light it up this year, he and Dez and the Bease and Williams too.

 

[KJJ]

By asking about his pros and cons AND believing maybe he can make some noise behind this line is not dreaming..... Hoping yes!


Some can't wait for injury just so they can be right.

Not me.

Saying you'll buy someone a beer when he helps lead the Cowboys to a SB win in 2015 is dreaming. That's making more than just some noise. No one is hoping he gets injured everyone who's pulling for the Cowboys wants him to stay healthy and succeed but Jerry didn't sign him for the reason you think or hope he did. They didn't sign him to be Murray's replacement he's not the answer! He can't handle near the workload Murray had this past season so he'll be part of a committee/rotation until the Cowboys come up with a back they can lean on hopefully that will be in the draft. I told you McFadden's never carried the ball more than 223 times and that was 5 years ago. He was part of a rotation with Felix Jones in college and has been part of a rotation most of his NFL career. He'll be part of a rotation with the Cowboys possibly taking over the role Randle had if the team parts ways with him.