Is it time to declare Claiborne a bust?

[perrykemp]

I agree with you jnday, and Im just not ready as a fan to give up on Mo, but just keeping it real... Mo.. its time to show.

One of the problems is the front-office touted Mo as the best CB in 25 years to come into the league since Deion when in reality he was going to be, at best, a Joe Hayden type. No shame is being compared to Joe Hayden, however, he hasnt' even come close to that yet.

 

[Rockport]

Until this DL is fixed, I just have to laugh, sorry, but its true, at anyone that even hints of an issue in the secondary.
You thank Mo was an issue last year,,, just wait until this season minus a D Ware, Spencer, any notion of a pass rush on the current roster. lol
Now Im a Cowboy fan past the day I die, but even looking at the secondary at this point is totally a waste of time, and anyone that has a feel for this actual roster,,, Dooms, and many others know that.
Its just football fellas, if you ever played the game you know that it doesnt matter how skilled you are if you are in the secondary if your guys up front are not getting the job done.
Maybe, just maybe only a Deion Sanders could handle his assignment without any notion of a pass rush, but I bet he would have been tested to.
Until we have some players that can get to the QB, the issues in the secondary will remain, no matter what you do to try and fix.
IMO this team has gone about it backwards, having Carr and Claiborne on most teams in the league would be considered one of the best CB tandems in the league... just one team, the Jets,,, they would be loved by their fan base.
Just wake the hell up,, your secondary will look like crap if you have zero help up front.

Our secondary sucked when Ware was getting double-digit sacks. They are probably the bottom 5 worst secondaries in the NFL.

 

[Nova]

Maybe not called a bust but people are still trying to trade the guy.

Claiborne has to stay healthy.

Too early to call him a bust.

If I remember correctly this place wasn't too high on Tyron before last season.

Maybe all players don't progress on the same slope.

Oh man. Yeah, people were open to trade Dez for Percy "I never play" Harvin when it was proposed back in pre-season to early 2012.

That said, I think there's a difference between Tyron, Dez and Claiborne. I'm not giving up on Claiborne, but don't expect him to be a top 5 corner in this league like I expected of Dez and Tyron at their respective positions.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Can this board pitch in to have take a proctored Wonderlic? I can't even imagine how to handicap that. You'll either get a 1 or 50. I'll put $100 there is no way you score between 15-40

I really want to know this. I was all in on 1 and then saw the ढुलाई = transportation, so Im befuddled

The befuddlement, Mr. Irish R&B player whose drivers license photo looks like a future . . ., is that you half to see beyond. Look beyond the big picture.
That is all.

 

[Idgit]

waiting until the season is over... than we'll see.

I agree. This will be the telling season for Mo. Last year should have been, but the injuries hampered him considerably.

I bet many of the scouts that rated him so high wish that they could have a do-over.

That scout rating came from a Jerry quote. I'd really like to hear what was actually said, because I'd bet that the scouts rated him in the Deion-category in a specific area of his game (playing the ball in the air, whatever) and not overall, and then Jerry embellished it. I'm pulling that out of my backside, but I don't see how anybody could watch Mo play and compare him to Deion. Not knocking Mo as a candidate coming out of college, but nobody's been in Deion's stratosphere as a cover CB since Deion left the league. Even Revis, or now, Sherman, aren't really close.

 

[Rockport]

I agree. This will be the telling season for Mo. Last year should have been, but the injuries hampered him considerably.



That scout rating came from a Jerry quote. I'd really like to hear what was actually said, because I'd bet that the scouts rated him in the Deion-category in a specific area of his game (playing the ball in the air, whatever) and not overall, and then Jerry embellished it. I'm pulling that out of my backside, but I don't see how anybody could watch Mo play and compare him to Deion. Not knocking Mo as a candidate coming out of college, but nobody's been in Deion's stratosphere as a cover CB since Deion left the league. Even Revis, or now, Sherman, aren't really close.

Deion was much smarter than Claiborne who can't tie his shoes without help. They give the Wonderlic test for a reason. Jerry just has his own way of evaluating talent and that's whomever can put butts in the seats is draft worthy.

 

[Kevinicus]

The difference between the players is that Dez and Tyron showed flashes of talent. They just needed to raise there level of play on a consistent basis. Mo has never shown the ability to be great. He is not considered to be fast for a CB and it shows.

The problem is, for a CB, the only way to "flash talent" is through kick returns and interceptions, neither of which are necessary to be playing effectively at cornerback. A CB can be a shutdown guy and not have much in the way of INTs. What flashes more than anything to me, is not hearing his name called much when he is playing (his last 5 or 6 games in particular). That speaks volumes more to me than if he jumped a couple routes. Especially with the front seven on this team. Sure more interceptions would be great, but it's not the primary thing I look for in a CB.

 

[Kevinicus]

Deion was much smarter than Claiborne who can't tie his shoes without help. They give the Wonderlic test for a reason. Jerry just has his own way of evaluating talent and that's whomever can put butts in the seats is draft worthy.

What did Deion get on the wonderlic?

 

[Rockport]

What did Deion get on the wonderlic?

No idea. Just listen to Deion talk and Claiborne talk and it will tell you all you need to know. He's that slow. There's a reason you don't hear Claiborne much since he got drafted.

 

[Kevinicus]

No idea. Just listen to Deion talk and Claiborne talk and it will tell you all you need to know. He's that slow. There's a reason you don't hear Claiborne much since he got drafted.

I don't equate vocalization skills to intelligence.

 

[Rockport]

I don't equate vocalization skills to intelligence.

That's your miss.

 

[CyberB0b]

What did Deion get on the wonderlic?

I don't know, but that Jerry curl had to be worth at least 30 points by itself.

 

[Kevinicus]

That's your miss.

There's mountains of evidence to the contrary. It's on display every day.

 

[Doomsday101]

Deion was much smarter than Claiborne who can't tie his shoes without help. They give the Wonderlic test for a reason. Jerry just has his own way of evaluating talent and that's whomever can put butts in the seats is draft worthy.

Jerry was not the only person who rated Claiborne hig, most had him as a top 5. The guy has been injured his ability he has that which is why every fricken scout saw him as a top selection. Give it a rest, the guy struggled with injuries and I'm the frist to say if he can stay healthy he does us no good but some of the claimes you are making is beyond lame.

 

[Prossman]

Who was calling Dez a bust after 15 tds in his first 2 years?? Claibum can't even stay on the field without getting hurt. Can't even get more than one pick in a season

. Does it really shock you that there were people who thought Dez was a bust on this board? He got hurt his first couple years and broke out in his third. I'm in the parcells camp on give a guy three years before you judge them. Mo has been hurt his fist couple of years and missed atleast 1 TC. TBH our pressure from our front 7 was God Awful. Our dbs were asked to cover WAY to long. And we had way to many young dbs forced into action prematurely. Heath was suppose to be a special teams guy and had to start. Hayden was out 5th best tackle and ended up starting all year. What 19 different starters on our defensive line? It's a perfect circle. a good defensive line help the secondary and visa versa. Also a bad defensive line hurts the dbs like bad dbs can hurt the dline.

 

[Cebrin]

I won't call him a bust yet but, I will say we gave WAY too much for him.

 

[Doomsday101]

I won't call him a bust yet but, I will say we gave WAY too much for him.

Not really point wise

•The Cowboys got value in the trade. The draft pick value calculator shows that they paid 1550 points (14 + 45) for 1600 points (6). Further, the chart suggests that such a move up should have cost Dallas their fourth rounder in addition to the second they gave up. Clearly, the Rams wanted to trade out, and were willing to take lesser value than their pick was worth do do so.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012...-about-cowboys-first-rounder-morris-claiborne

 

[Cebrin]

Not really point wise

•The Cowboys got value in the trade. The draft pick value calculator shows that they paid 1550 points (14 + 45) for 1600 points (6). Further, the chart suggests that such a move up should have cost Dallas their fourth rounder in addition to the second they gave up. Clearly, the Rams wanted to trade out, and were willing to take lesser value than their pick was worth do do so.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012...-about-cowboys-first-rounder-morris-claiborne

The draft pick calculator so far is wrong. If he turns out to be a full on bust that is. That's all I am saying. So far he has clearly not played at a pick 6, instant starter, trade up and lose other draft picks level. Not even close.

 

[Doomsday101]

The draft pick calculator so far is wrong. If he turns out to be a full on bust that is. That's all I am saying. So far he has clearly not played at a pick 6, instant starter, trade up and lose other draft picks level. Not even close.

I agree but in terms that draft day move it was not too high. As far as now I agree he has not lived up to the pick and I do think much of it is due to injury and as I have said many times if he is not on the field then he is of no use to us. Talent wise yes I believe in the guy but he must find a way to stay on the field and produce

 

[big dog cowboy]

Deion was much smarter than Claiborne who can't tie his shoes without help. They give the Wonderlic test for a reason.

Oh brother. Here we go again.