Is it time to declare Claiborne a bust?

[Hook'em#11]

Yes, he is..

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Oh brother. Here we go again.

hahaha... pretty much

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...borne-dallas-cowboys-blew-wonderlic-test-says

 

[Idgit]

hahaha... pretty much

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...borne-dallas-cowboys-blew-wonderlic-test-says

Thanks for that. I'd forgotten reading it at the time.

Is there any actual criticism of Claiborne's ability to understand what's expected of him? I haven't heard that, at all. I hear a lot about him being unable to shake off a jam from a strong WR in press coverage, and that's obviously a matter of strength and something the coaches say about him regularly. I've heard that he's slow to come back from injury with the implication that he's less willing than he should be to play with pain (which I take with a grain of salt, honestly, since it's a small sample and there's no accurate way to gauge willingness to play with pain relative to other players). I've never heard that the team had issues with his ability to understand what was expected of him. And that's stuff they'll usually talk about obliquely, the way they did with Dez his first two years.

 

[Rockport]

Thanks for that. I'd forgotten reading it at the time.

Is there any actual criticism of Claiborne's ability to understand what's expected of him? I haven't heard that, at all. I hear a lot about him being unable to shake off a jam from a strong WR in press coverage, and that's obviously a matter of strength and something the coaches say about him regularly. I've heard that he's slow to come back from injury with the implication that he's less willing than he should be to play with pain (which I take with a grain of salt, honestly, since it's a small sample and there's no accurate way to gauge willingness to play with pain relative to other players). I've never heard that the team had issues with his ability to understand what was expected of him. And that's stuff they'll usually talk about obliquely, the way they did with Dez his first two years.

The teams not going to come out and say Claiborne is as dumb as a rock and that's one reason why he's struggling. Come on.

 

[Idgit]

The teams not going to come out and say Claiborne is as dumb as a rock and that's one reason why he's struggling. Come on.

So, I'll take it that this really is just speculation, then.

They were pretty directly about Dez's inability to make proper sight adjustments on his routes early on. The same with Kevin Ogletree. And there are rumblings about Bruce Carter's ability to pick up his responsibilities on defense. You hear it a fair amount when it's an actual liability, and it's not anything I've heard about Mo Claiborne.

That said, as I mentioned, I've heard plenty of commentary from multiple coaches, from players, and from Mo himself that he's not strong enough to play his game against NFL WRs yet.

 

[DBOY3141]

So, I'll take it that this really is just speculation, then.

They were pretty directly about Dez's inability to make proper sight adjustments on his routes early on. The same with Kevin Ogletree. And there are rumblings about Bruce Carter's ability to pick up his responsibilities on defense. You hear it a fair amount when it's an actual liability, and it's not anything I've heard about Mo Claiborne.

That said, as I mentioned, I've heard plenty of commentary from multiple coaches, from players, and from Mo himself that he's not strong enough to play his game against NFL WRs yet.

Don't recall if strength was a weakness coming out of college, but I would think a pre-draft ranking of a top 10 pick and 2 years in league that strength is not the main issue he is struggling. I'm hoping he turns it on this year, we need him badly.

 

[Rockport]

So, I'll take it that this really is just speculation, then.

They were pretty directly about Dez's inability to make proper sight adjustments on his routes early on. The same with Kevin Ogletree. And there are rumblings about Bruce Carter's ability to pick up his responsibilities on defense. You hear it a fair amount when it's an actual liability, and it's not anything I've heard about Mo Claiborne.

That said, as I mentioned, I've heard plenty of commentary from multiple coaches, from players, and from Mo himself that he's not strong enough to play his game against NFL WRs yet.

Time will tell who's right and who's wrong. He's certainly been a waste of the 2nd round pick we gave up for him so far.

 

[Doomsday101]

Time will tell who's right and who's wrong. He's certainly been a waste of the 2nd round pick we gave up for him so far.

That is all some of us are doing is allowing time before making any claims. One thing for sure if he is missing time due to injury then he is no help to this team. 3rd year in the league and in my eyes it is put up or shut up time for Claiborne

 

[ConstantReboot]

When we selected him I did my research and realized that he benefited from a superb backfield during college. I believe that he didn't play off any high calibre wide receiver and mostly 2nd stringers. I was also very disappointed in his skillset. He ran a 4.5 during the combine and wasn't as fluid as most cornerbacks. Plus he was nothing more than a cover corner that lack strength and was a poor tackler. Basically, he was not worth the 6th pick of the draft during that year. His skillset is more representative of a 2nd or even a 3rd rounder instead.

 

[Idgit]

Time will tell who's right and who's wrong. He's certainly been a waste of the 2nd round pick we gave up for him so far.

He might fail because of injury, or just not ever get strong enough. Time won't necessarily tell if he's not smart enough for this league. I'll wait, either way, until I hear anything credible on the topic before I'm willing to consider it a legitimate issue.

He's certainly underperformed expectations. I still don't consider him a wasted pick just for that reason, though, and don't think the team does, or that other NFL teams would consider hims a player who can't start and play in this league.

 

[Idgit]

Don't recall if strength was a weakness coming out of college, but I would think a pre-draft ranking of a top 10 pick and 2 years in league that strength is not the main issue he is struggling. I'm hoping he turns it on this year, we need him badly.

You'd like to think it's not just strength. Though he did have a wrist that hobbled him in his first camp, and then last year he had the shoulder. It's hard to say how much that inhibited him.
I agree, he's got a lot of developing to do, and it would really help if he came on strong this year. We do need him.

 

[Rockport]

He might fail because of injury, or just not ever get strong enough. Time won't necessarily tell if he's not smart enough for this league. I'll wait, either way, until I hear anything credible on the topic before I'm willing to consider it a legitimate issue.

He's certainly underperformed expectations. I still don't consider him a wasted pick just for that reason, though, and don't think the team does, or that other NFL teams would consider hims a player who can't start and play in this league.

This is the type of attitude that has doomed the Cowboys. Jerry keeps holding out on bust players in the hope they get better. Sometimes they do, but most of the time they don't.

 

[Doomsday101]

This is the type of attitude that has doomed the Cowboys. Jerry keeps holding out on bust players in the hope they get better. Sometimes they do, but most of the time they don't.

5th rd pick he is not going to get much time, 1st rd pick he will. NFL scouts top to bottom saw Claiborne as the best CB in the draft and saw him as a top 5 player. Go back and check for yourself. He has the skill sets

Here is what many said

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012...-about-cowboys-first-rounder-morris-claiborne

 

[CowboyStar88]

This is the type of attitude that has doomed the Cowboys. Jerry keeps holding out on bust players in the hope they get better. Sometimes they do, but most of the time they don't.

So if they're not all pros their first 2 years they should be cut? Thank god you are just a poster on a message board because you would be out of a job in the NFL very quickly.

 

[Rockport]

5th rd pick he is not going to get much time, 1st rd pick he will. NFL scouts top to bottom saw Claiborne as the best CB in the draft and saw him as a top 5 player. Go back and check for yourself. He has the skill sets

Here is what many said

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012...-about-cowboys-first-rounder-morris-claiborne

Does it matter what people said? I think it only matters how he plays on the field. And so far, that's pretty bad.

 

[Doomsday101]

Does it matter what people said? I think it only matters how he plays on the field. And so far, that's pretty bad.

It matters heading into draft that is what people are doing now with this crop of players. It is easy to say anything after the fact leading up to the draft it is the scouting reports on players, the interviews teams have with players. How they performed that is what they base selection on. Acting as if Jerry and the Cowboys blew it based on everything coming out of the pre draft that year NO they did not do the wrong thing.

 

[Rockport]

So if they're not all pros their first 2 years they should be cut? Thank god you are just a poster on a message board because you would be out of a job in the NFL very quickly.

Here's someone else putting words in my mouth. I never said cut him after two years. I said he's a bust SO FAR. I'd give him another year and if his performance doesn't improve, try to get something for him even if it's a 7th rd pick.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Here's someone else putting words in my mouth. I never said cut him after two years. I said he's a bust SO FAR. I'd give him another year and if his performance doesn't improve, try to get something for him even if it's a 7th rd pick.

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[RonSpringsdaman20]

I think we can all agree that he will get the opportunity to prove himself this year. If he isn't fast enough, strong enough, quick enough, or smart enough, we will find out. Hopefully he plays well enough to consider him a part of our future... if not cut ties.......

 

[Beast_from_East]

For the 6th overall pick, to have just 2 picks in 2 seasons is getting pretty close to bustville.

He also is stating to get the "soft" label like Sean Lee. I believe it was Stephen Jones who was asked about Claiborn and said "you cant make the club in the tub".