Is it time to overpay for a WR?

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sonnyboy;2163630 said:
OK, Arizona or Detroit calls you and requests your best offer for these guys.


You know what acquiring Boldin or Williams would do for this team at this time in it's history.

What's your best offer? How much do you over pay?

Oh and just for a little extra incentive, they have the eagles on line 2 offering a package with Lito.:eek:
When the season ended I expected us to trade 4 players. I specifically named Jason Ferguson, Akin Ayodele, Anthony Fasano, and Greg Ellis.

3 of the 4 are gone. I have also said that because they have contracts expiring in the next 2 years that Marcus Spears and Anthony Henry could be swapped.

A deal to acquire a WR would likely involve Ellis and a 1st, Spears and 2 picks, or Henry and 2 picks.

Just guessing. It might be 2 of the 3 veterans. The bottom line is we have depth behind those players and a need at #2 WR.
 
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FCBarca;2163675 said:
Uhh, yes, thank you...I didn't realize that beheamoth of a man was a TE :rolleyes:

The point is that he's a receiver out there, a target for the QB...And these targets for a hopelessly inept Giant offense with the exception of Burress managed to field rookies out there and still move the chains AND in big games.

And I have pointed out that while guys like Hurd and Austin keep giving us talk of promise, they have yet to show up when we've needed them going into Season 3...The receivers I mentioned, did it in year 1...Coming full circle, I pointed out that this idea that they have to develop for years before they show something seemed to have it's foundation crumble with the Giants' success...It can happen with receivers who step up.

If we never hear from Smith, Boss or Tyree again then sure you're right...If we do, what's the likelihood that the ones we won't hear about again are actually guys like Hurd and Austin?



Come to think of it Austin nor Hurd got any passes thrown to them against Seattle either. But Miles did score a touchdown in a playoff game guess that wasnt enough "help" for the team. So 2 recievers didn't get a pass thrown to them in 2 playoff games and it is their fault. Sounds good to me
 

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It's about time we traded for Daunte Culpepper.

I'm just saying - Henson looks lost and all this talk about Romo emerging is starting to sound like a pipe dream. I hope one of them proves me wrong, but I doubt it.
 

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When the season ended I expected us to trade 4 players. I specifically named Jason Ferguson, Akin Ayodele, Anthony Fasano, and Greg Ellis.

3 of the 4 are gone. I have also said that because they have contracts expiring in the next 2 years that Marcus Spears and Anthony Henry could be swapped.

A deal to acquire a WR would likely involve Ellis and a 1st, Spears and 2 picks, or Henry and 2 picks.

Just guessing. It might be 2 of the 3 veterans. The bottom line is we have depth behind those players and a need at #2 WR.


some would say Detroit wouldnt want any part of Ellis or Henry bc the Lions suck *** and wont win now anyway

But Im thinking if Marinellis has his way( to save his job?) he would like to take back Ellis and/or Henry
 

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Doomsday101;2163648 said:
Timmy Smith of the Commanders had over 200 yards rushing in the SB after than nothing his career went down the tubes it is not about 1 game you don't judge any player off 1 game and determine he is some type of great WR. The NFL has had many guys who had a great game in the post season and that was it. You want to claim the Giants WR as very good be my guest evidently we have a different view of what is great. For the most part these guys did nothing last year and Tryee a 6 year vet I'm not sure why you even threw his name into the mix?

Good point. Just to interject that Smith destroyed his career with coke though. We'll never know if he had anything or not now. But NYGs WRs are in the same boat as ours.

Sandyf;2163659 said:
The SMARTEST thing that Jerry and Dallas can do right now on the WR front is WAIT. Give the WRs we have a couple of weeks to see what pans out before anyone panics ----- unless, Arizona or Detroit or Cincinnati come calling.

Injuries are the key, us staying away from them but those teams not. Cincinnati has already had it's share of injuries on the DL, anymore and desparation might set in for someone say like Spears.

Detroit has injuries at the CB position and are supposedly thin at the DL for decent players.

Arizona is basically the same as Detroit.

So look at it this way, if we stay injury free (hopefully), we may be able to get one of the premier guys for a decent price, say something like Spears, possibly Alan Ball and a 3rd for any of them. Now that is a deal we would do.

I just don't see us overpaying for Williams or Johnson when there is a better than even chance both will be free agents at the end of the year. In Johnson case either a trade or overright cut. Williams is about 20-80 to be franchised. Boldin on the other hand would cost something but it is Arizona so we will have to see.

Good post. This is the path Dallas has decided on. Not saying there will be a trade but the release of TG says they want to see what they have on the roster. At some point they will have to decide about a vet. I'm certain they are still looking and they may have their hand forced if a vet comes available they don't want to pass on. But I think they would like time to look at what is here before making a decision. There are always surprise cuts later in the year. I'm certain Dallas isn't depending on that either but all the options are on the table.

Hostile;2163678 said:
When the season ended I expected us to trade 4 players. I specifically named Jason Ferguson, Akin Ayodele, Anthony Fasano, and Greg Ellis.

3 of the 4 are gone. I have also said that because they have contracts expiring in the next 2 years that Marcus Spears and Anthony Henry could be swapped.

A deal to acquire a WR would likely involve Ellis and a 1st, Spears and 2 picks, or Henry and 2 picks.

Just guessing. It might be 2 of the 3 veterans. The bottom line is we have depth behind those players and a need at #2 WR.

Another good post. I hadn't really thought of multiple vets recently. I'm sure they would love to be able to make a decision as late in camp as possible for that, too. Never know when someone like Ware or Spencer could go down big time or just for a few weeks. That gives Ellis more life and the same thing could be said about Henry.

I think Jones may gamble here but he's not that predictable anymore. That's a good thing.
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;2163695 said:
When the season ended I expected us to trade 4 players. I specifically named Jason Ferguson, Akin Ayodele, Anthony Fasano, and Greg Ellis.

3 of the 4 are gone.

doomed imo.
 

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sonnyboy;2163441 said:
Read through half that Amendola thread when I decided we just need to go the extra mile in a trade for either R. Williams or A. Bouldin right now.


I think our chances of winning the Super Bowl in 2008,09 and 2010 are much greater than 2011,12,13. We are so close and maybe even a year overdue.

We might just need that little extra push. One more key player.

I think acquiring one of these two WR's at this precise moment in time has to much upside for us to not consider overpaying.

Later in the thread I'll elaborate on why I see the deal as so critical and why we almost can't overpay.

Right now I would like to know what is the most you'd want to see us give in a trade for each of these players?

I want to know the most you'd pay because I don't believe either of these players can be had in a fair trade. And certainly not at a bargin price.

I don't believe Detroit or Arizona wish to trade these players. If any team is going to pry them loose, they're going to have to overpay a little.

For Williams I'll trade our 2009 1st, 2009 2nd, pick of (Ellis, Burnett, Carpenter), and pick of (Crayton, Hurd, Miles)

For Boldin I'll trade the same.

Remember the idea is to make a deal they can't refuse.

I'm certainly glad you're not the GM. No way I'd give up that much for either of those guys. Absolutely no way.
 

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Doomsday101;2163489 said:
I think it would take nothing less than 2 #1's and I don't expect Dallas to do that. I would not be suprised to see Dallas add a vet WR as teams around the league are forced to make cuts but at this stage I don't see Dallas getting a big name player like RW or Bouldin. Next off season I think Dallas will look to the draft or FA market.

:starspin I agree. We won't give up 2 #1s for a WR, and I also wouldn't be at all surprised to see us pick up a vet WR as teams make their cuts. Next off-season, I believe we will be more aggressive and address the WR position either with an "early" draft pick, or through FA. Hopefully, one of our current young WRs will step up, if not, teams will continue to focus on Witten as our #2 receiving threat instead of it being a WR who might be able to stretch the field more consistently than Witten generally does. I'm not saying anything negative about Witten and what he does for us, but having another WR besides just TO, will give us another dimension that opposing teams will need to focus on besides just TO and Witten.
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;2163695 said:
When the season ended I expected us to trade 4 players. I specifically named Jason Ferguson, Akin Ayodele, Anthony Fasano, and Greg Ellis.

3 of the 4 are gone. I have also said that because they have contracts expiring in the next 2 years that Marcus Spears and Anthony Henry could be swapped.


The one with the least amount of leadership skills is Ellis...when can we expect the "great whiner - Ellis" to be out of here. I would package RW and Ellis to get Boldin (cards) or Williams (lions). Solves our coverage and whiner issues in one fail swoop.:D
 

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And what did the Pats first SB win have in common with the Giants recent SB win? DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE. Both had top defenses and an ability to bring incredible pressure on opposing QBs. Also both had good STs. Our STs were pretty awful last year & our defense was barely a top 10. You don't win too many playoffs or SBs when 2 areas out of 3 on your team need to perform at a much higher level. The great Romo as you call him made some mistakes which is understandable for a guy only starting 26 games; but he didn't make 11 penalties, he didn't drop passes nor did he give up a TD with about 30 seconds to go late in the 2nd quarter.

And the need for a #2 WR might just be because after TO the cupboard is very thin; let's see, we've got a 7th rounder in Crayton & 2 undrafted players in Hurd & Austin; Stanback was redshirted, Glenn wasn't healthy. And oh don't forget TO still hurting from ankle sprain. Oops, I guess the great Romo should have put out his hand and healed them all of his pains & troubles.

Gee, it's funny none of you guys are knocking Favre & the great Brady, both of whom also lost to the Giants. Let's see, Favre's been a QB since 92 & Brady since about 2000 yet you criticize Romo whose only started for 1 1/2 seasons. Maybe you better read some of the analysis of Romo by real informed guys like Dilfer, Jaws, etc. who have said "those players don't make Romo look good, he makes them look good". It's no accident that TO had 2nd best year of his career (other was way back with SF years ago), Witten has his best season ever, Crayton also had his best season ever. Hmm. Now how could that be with such a lousy QB in Romo. Your obviously not a Cowboy fan cause frankly I'd like to hope we are better informed. And if you are a fan of another team, maybe your inability to recognize a good QB directly parallel the poor QBs you have on your team.
 

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sago1;2163765 said:
And what did the Pats first SB win have in common with the Giants recent SB win? DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE. Both had top defenses and an ability to bring incredible pressure on opposing QBs. Also both had good STs. Our STs were pretty awful last year & our defense was barely a top 10. You don't win too many playoffs or SBs when 2 areas out of 3 on your team need to perform at a much higher level. The great Romo as you call him made some mistakes which is understandable for a guy only starting 26 games; but he didn't make 11 penalties, he didn't drop passes nor did he give up a TD with about 30 seconds to go late in the 2nd quarter.

And the need for a #2 WR might just be because after TO the cupboard is very thin; let's see, we've got a 7th rounder in Crayton & 2 undrafted players in Hurd & Austin; Stanback was redshirted, Glenn wasn't healthy. And oh don't forget TO still hurting from ankle sprain. Oops, I guess the great Romo should have put out his hand and healed them all of his pains & troubles.

Gee, it's funny none of you guys are knocking Favre & the great Brady, both of whom also lost to the Giants. Let's see, Favre's been a QB since 92 & Brady since about 2000 yet you criticize Romo whose only started for 1 1/2 seasons. Maybe you better read some of the analysis of Romo by real informed guys like Dilfer, Jaws, etc. who have said "those players don't make Romo look good, he makes them look good". It's no accident that TO had 2nd best year of his career (other was way back with SF years ago), Witten has his best season ever, Crayton also had his best season ever. Hmm. Now how could that be with such a lousy QB in Romo. Your obviously not a Cowboy fan cause frankly I'd like to hope we are better informed. And if you are a fan of another team, maybe your inability to recognize a good QB directly parallel the poor QBs you have on your team.

Great response. :bow:
 

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Star4Ever;2163726 said:
I'm certainly glad you're not the GM. No way I'd give up that much for either of those guys. Absolutely no way.


I was trying to come up with a deal that Arizona/Det would have a hard time refusing. To do that you must overpay.

Some think the 32nd and 64th pick in 2009 along with two of the players I listed wouldn't get it done!

Maybe you're undervaluing the WR's I'm looking to trade for.
 

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MichaelWinicki;2163540 said:
I just shake my head at some threads.

Never really understood why people post in threads just to complain. Nobody is forcing you to read this and not every Cowboy fan in the world is going to have the same opinion as you.
 

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sago1;2163765 said:
And what did the Pats first SB win have in common with the Giants recent SB win? DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE. Both had top defenses and an ability to bring incredible pressure on opposing QBs. Also both had good STs. Our STs were pretty awful last year & our defense was barely a top 10. You don't win too many playoffs or SBs when 2 areas out of 3 on your team need to perform at a much higher level. The great Romo as you call him made some mistakes which is understandable for a guy only starting 26 games; but he didn't make 11 penalties, he didn't drop passes nor did he give up a TD with about 30 seconds to go late in the 2nd quarter.

And the need for a #2 WR might just be because after TO the cupboard is very thin; let's see, we've got a 7th rounder in Crayton & 2 undrafted players in Hurd & Austin; Stanback was redshirted, Glenn wasn't healthy. And oh don't forget TO still hurting from ankle sprain. Oops, I guess the great Romo should have put out his hand and healed them all of his pains & troubles.

Gee, it's funny none of you guys are knocking Favre & the great Brady, both of whom also lost to the Giants. Let's see, Favre's been a QB since 92 & Brady since about 2000 yet you criticize Romo whose only started for 1 1/2 seasons. Maybe you better read some of the analysis of Romo by real informed guys like Dilfer, Jaws, etc. who have said "those players don't make Romo look good, he makes them look good". It's no accident that TO had 2nd best year of his career (other was way back with SF years ago), Witten has his best season ever, Crayton also had his best season ever. Hmm. Now how could that be with such a lousy QB in Romo. Your obviously not a Cowboy fan cause frankly I'd like to hope we are better informed. And if you are a fan of another team, maybe your inability to recognize a good QB directly parallel the poor QBs you have on your team.

I think you should've been answering for TO before he started crying at the podium last year. It would've saved me some texts and phone calls from friends who hate the Cowboys.
 

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UVAwahoos;2163803 said:
Never really understood why people post in threads just to complain. Nobody is forcing you to read this and not every Cowboy fan in the world is going to have the same opinion as you.

Ruh roh! I smell dissension!!
 

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I would trade a 1st and any combination of Henry and a WR not including TO or Crayton. I would also trade Ellis a WR not named TO or Crayton and a 2nd and 3rd. for Boldin or Williams.

Don't laugh but I wonder what Tampa Bay might take for Galloway? He would be a really nice fit in our offense. :laugh2:
 

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cowboys2233;2163813 said:
Ruh roh! I smell dissension!!


:laugh2: I mean, it's just kind of annoying to see his posts complaining every time somebody gets on here worried about our WR issues. People who spend their lives covering NFL teams (and get paid for it) have said that Dallas needs depth at WR. The most recent article I can recall was from a mailbag that John Clayton wrote:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3501412

So, even if you have a different opinion or think some of these experts are not qualified at all, it still doesn't make sense to get on here and act like an insulted drama queen when someone takes issue with our WR depth. Actually EXPLAIN why you think otherwise, or just don't click on the thread if it bothers you that much.
 

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I mean, it's just kind of annoying to see his posts complaining every time somebody gets on here worried about our WR issues.


I didn't start this thread because I'm losing sleep over our WR's depth chart.

It's just that WR depth and QB depth are our only possible concerns.

This team is loaded with stars and quality depth. DB, LB, DL, OL, RB. We are loaded! You could take away one good player from each of those units and we keep on truckin!

Couldn't we survive losing these guys for the season: Newman, Thomas, Ratliff, Columbo, Barber?
It would suck, but we could still get to Tampa.

But subtract 34 year old Owens from the equation, and we're hurtin.
Now add Boldin and could weather losing one of them!

Now consider having both these WR's and how dynamic our offense would be. We'd have a star WR to lean on after Owens retired as well.
 

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sonnyboy;2163441 said:
Read through half that Amendola thread when I decided we just need to go the extra mile in a trade for either R. Williams or A. Bouldin right now.


I think our chances of winning the Super Bowl in 2008,09 and 2010 are much greater than 2011,12,13. We are so close and maybe even a year overdue.

We might just need that little extra push. One more key player.

I think acquiring one of these two WR's at this precise moment in time has to much upside for us to not consider overpaying.

Later in the thread I'll elaborate on why I see the deal as so critical and why we almost can't overpay.

Right now I would like to know what is the most you'd want to see us give in a trade for each of these players?

I want to know the most you'd pay because I don't believe either of these players can be had in a fair trade. And certainly not at a bargin price.

I don't believe Detroit or Arizona wish to trade these players. If any team is going to pry them loose, they're going to have to overpay a little.

For Williams I'll trade our 2009 1st, 2009 2nd, pick of (Ellis, Burnett, Carpenter), and pick of (Crayton, Hurd, Miles)

For Boldin I'll trade the same.

Remember the idea is to make a deal they can't refuse.

I wouldn't be opposed to either of those two one day being here but I wouldn't give up what you're suggesting for any reciever in the league.
 

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sonnyboy;2163441 said:
Read through half that Amendola thread when I decided we just need to go the extra mile in a trade for either R. Williams or A. Bouldin right now.


I think our chances of winning the Super Bowl in 2008,09 and 2010 are much greater than 2011,12,13. We are so close and maybe even a year overdue.

We might just need that little extra push. One more key player.

I think acquiring one of these two WR's at this precise moment in time has to much upside for us to not consider overpaying.

Later in the thread I'll elaborate on why I see the deal as so critical and why we almost can't overpay.

Right now I would like to know what is the most you'd want to see us give in a trade for each of these players?

I want to know the most you'd pay because I don't believe either of these players can be had in a fair trade. And certainly not at a bargin price.

I don't believe Detroit or Arizona wish to trade these players. If any team is going to pry them loose, they're going to have to overpay a little.

For Williams I'll trade our 2009 1st, 2009 2nd, pick of (Ellis, Burnett, Carpenter), and pick of (Crayton, Hurd, Miles)

For Boldin I'll trade the same.

Remember the idea is to make a deal they can't refuse.

Not me-I'd rather keep our draft picks b/c if we've learned our lesson from that infamous Gallowaste trade, is that you BUILD your teams through the DRAFT.

BTW-less not forget that both Williams and Boldin are injury prone themselves.
 
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