Is Matt Jones available?

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stasheroo;2066145 said:
I'm absolutely serious.

Johnson is much better than Matt Jones, he's also a lunatic.

This whole game with Cincinnati is about one thing - money.

Johnson wants to get paid a ton of it.

And whatever team he hopes to get traded to will have to deal with that when they get him, along with whatever draft picks they would have to give up.

You don't care about his drama and theatrics, but I do.

As well as the huge chunk of change you'd have to give the nut.

Can you find where he has ever said this? I think even his agent commented on this and said it had nothing to do with money

I think Marvin Lewis suggested it was money, but there's never been any other proof that I've seen

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dbair1967 said:
however, as others have noted the Jags hardly had much talent at WR, again an example of if the guy was any good, he'd be on the field...

'others' have also 'noted' numerous other factors which you continue to convenitnely disregard.


dbair1967 said:
I honestly cant believe people keep making a huge thing out of a guy thats a total stiff and CLEARLY has been a bust...its another example of people just smidden over a big name...the guy's played like a late rd pick or an undrafted free agent, and he likely will be released before the season starts

I'm not 'smitten' over the guy, I just feel that he's an undeveloped talent who would be an upgrade over what this team currently has.

Interesting Crayton stat - in the one game last year where he didn't have Owens drawing defenses away from him?

At Washington - 2 catches for 8 yards
 

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dbair1967;2066151 said:
Can you find where he has ever said this? I think even his agent commented on this and said it had nothing to do with money

I think Marvin Lewis suggested it was money, but there's never been any other proof that I've seen

Good luck finding the guy saying anything rational.

But his good buddy Keyshawn knows what it's about. He stated it clearly last time I saw him on TV.

Chad Johnson never had the guts to say what his problem was.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out though.
 

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hey while we are at it.....let's go after kijana carter, akili smith, and tony mandarich
 

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gbrittain;2065800 said:
I don't know much about Matt Jones, so I am not going to shed tears one way or another.

However, I think it is a factual statement that some players are nobodies until they go to another team.

As I mentioned earlier...Jay Novacek.

I sure would not go out on a limb and say anything definitive about how good Matt Jones will be, but I think given our WR situation it is hard for me to say I have no interest.

The difference between the two, though, was that Novacek was a classic overachiever, an undersized TE from a disregarded program (Wyoming) who had accounted himself well with the Cards who was picked up by Dallas for pennies as a Plan B free agent. Jones is a physical freak of size and speed, a high draft pick from the SEC who is a classic underachiever, whose rep coming out of college was that he was not a hard worker and was regarded as a high-risk pick. From the Sporting News draft guide from 2005:

"His attitude toward the game is questionable. Struggled to read coverages as a passer, so grasping how to run routes might take time." Also, "Jones should be drafted in the fourth round [he went in the first round, IIRC], but a team might gamble on him as high as the third round." One of those guys who had a great Combine and nice Senior Bowl, and whose measurables were just frighteningly compelling. By this point, though, it just looks like the guy can't play. I'd use the old sour-milk analogy: putting it back in the fridge won't make it fresh.
 

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stasheroo;2066154 said:
Interesting Crayton stat - in the one game last year where he didn't have Owens drawing defenses away from him?

At Washington - 2 catches for 8 yards

your using the game we hardly tried to win at all as an example of Crayton's inability to be a decent WR, and that Matt Jones would be a better fit?

I guess if your gonna do that, we might as well waive Marion Barber today, remember he had negative yds rushing that day

:rolleyes:

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dbair1967;2066443 said:
your using the game we hardly tried to win at all as an example of Crayton's inability to be a decent WR, and that Matt Jones would be a better fit?

I guess if your gonna do that, we might as well waive Marion Barber today, remember he had negative yds rushing that day

'hardly tried to win'?

Yeah, that why the starters played the whole first half and came out for the first series of the second. The fact is that the team played terribly and got their heads handed to them.

I was just pointing out how small Crayton came up when he didn't have Owens drawing the entire defense away from him. But Crayton has a track record of coming up small when it counts.

And again, I never said Jones was a better fit or that Crayton needed to go, you just seem to infer that. I said that Jones could be another component to make this offense better.
 

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big dog cowboy;2066479 said:
In a Cowboy forum.

You guys don't have to read it.

I'm interested in the player.

And I respect dbair's opinion and enjoy the debate.
 

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Im interested too,he would come cheap,the guy is a beast and what would it hurt?He may be lazy but if I had gerrard as my qb i would get lazy too,the rap on bigg was he was lazy well once he was on board with us he wasnt too lazy.
 

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juckie;2066503 said:
Im interested too,he would come cheap,the guy is a beast and what would it hurt?He may be lazy but if I had gerrard as my qb i would get lazy too,the rap on bigg was he was lazy well once he was on board with us he wasnt too lazy.

Nice example with Davis. Sometimes a change of scenery can do wonders for a player.
 

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stasheroo;2066492 said:
You guys don't have to read it.

I'm interested in the player.

And I respect dbair's opinion and enjoy the debate.

me and 'Stash have been going at it for weeks:

:fight:

David
 

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BuckyG;2066392 said:
The difference between the two, though, was that Novacek was a classic overachiever, an undersized TE from a disregarded program (Wyoming) who had accounted himself well with the Cards who was picked up by Dallas for pennies as a Plan B free agent. Jones is a physical freak of size and speed, a high draft pick from the SEC who is a classic underachiever, whose rep coming out of college was that he was not a hard worker and was regarded as a high-risk pick. From the Sporting News draft guide from 2005:

"His attitude toward the game is questionable. Struggled to read coverages as a passer, so grasping how to run routes might take time." Also, "Jones should be drafted in the fourth round [he went in the first round, IIRC], but a team might gamble on him as high as the third round." One of those guys who had a great Combine and nice Senior Bowl, and whose measurables were just frighteningly compelling. By this point, though, it just looks like the guy can't play. I'd use the old sour-milk analogy: putting it back in the fridge won't make it fresh.

True...the situation is not identical. Of course, looking for a situation that is identical is an excercise in futility, because no situatin is identical.

All I know is we need WR help. I also know that changes of scenery can do miracles for the posititve and negative.

I have seen countless underachievers live up to expectations once they left their current team.

I have also seen players like Alvin Harper who had a nice career going until he chased the big money and the change of scenery doomed him.

Weren't the Cardinals more than happy to see Leonard Davis walk away? Davis looks like a perennial Pro Bowl player in Dallas and was starting to look like a bust in Arizona.
 

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gbrittain;2066578 said:
True...the situation is not identical. Of course, looking for a situation that is identical is an excercise in futility, because no situatin is identical.

All I know is we need WR help. I also know that changes of scenery can do miracles for the posititve and negative.

I have seen countless underachievers live up to expectations once they left their current team.

I have also seen players like Alvin Harper who had a nice career going until he chased the big money and the change of scenery doomed him.

Weren't the Cardinals more than happy to see Leonard Davis walk away? Davis looks like a perennial Pro Bowl player in Dallas and was starting to look like a bust in Arizona.

Again, for me it's a risk/reward proposition.

Measure the cost of acquiring and paying Matt Jones vs the prospect of what he might become or what he might add to the current offense.

What would the Jaguars likely asking price be for a player who thus far has been a disappointment?

What would Del Rio want for a player who was squarely in his doghouse?

I'm thinking a 5th-6th round draft choice might get it done at this point. Personally, I would be willing to give up the extra 4th rounder acquired for 2009.

I believe that a move to a team with the coaching, QB play, and surrounding talent that the Cowboys have would greatly increase Jones' production.

An amazing thing that I've seen in this thread is the varying opinions on him. Some say he's useless and not worth a 7th rounder while others say that he wouldn't even be available.

One thing's for sure, there are vastly differing opinions on him.
 

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Cowboys have been pretty good in turning around players whose reputation for not contributing much/working hard has been questioned. You cite Jay Novacek was one of those who improved after leaving the Cards for the Cowboys; went to pro bowl with us. Obviously Leonard "Bigg" Davis is also another one; went to pro bowl with us. But how about WR Terry Glenn who Pats sent to the Packers (and after one year with them) the Packers turned around and traded him to the Cowboys for a 6th rounder. Seattle didn't resign Hamlin (maybe questions long term about his head injury?) so Cowboys signed him; went to the pro bowl with us. Biggest example is Terrell Owens who Eagles couldn't wait get rid; he became our best WR & went to the pro bowl.

I'm sure there players we got that didn't improve but can't remember them because they probalby already gone. But if the Cowboys do "due diligence" , changing teams/city can revitalize the player's career. Jones, as a former Arkansas player, would be somebody Jerry could find out a lot about. If Cowboys wanted him, I'd wait til he was a FA. OTOH, Jerry gets good info from Arkansas people & good vibes re Jones (do we have anybody on our team //players or coaches// who worked/play in Jax & can give us the skinny? In any case I wouldn't give up anything more then a conditional 7th rounder based on his contribution in 08.
 

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I'm still annoyed that we couldn't convince Todd Chrisitansen to be a TE. So I want to take advantage of good players at other teams that don't work out.
 
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