CFZ Is McCarthy underperforming as much as Garrett?

[atlantacowboy]

As is pointed out on this board constantly, the problem in Dallas starts in the front office and it’s been that way for 27 years. I’m not even sure Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan could succeed here.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

JG didn't have enough impact on the defense. Coach Mac has better balance, including special teams. The softness, overrated hype crap we deal with every year with all coaches has nothing to do with the coaches. Look in the owner's box for that one.

Exactly, the Cowboys biggest problem is in the owners box. Coaches and players have come and gone in 28 years. Not much has changed. The FO has stayed mostly the same.

 

[Bobhaze]

Remember….Jerry hates to change HCs. He stayed with Garrett ten years. Ten Years when Garrett made the playoffs only 3 times! And JJ was ok with that. Whatever anyone thinks of Big Mac he is light years better than Garrett.

Regarding head coaches in Big D- First of all, JJ does not think like we do. We look at all our HCs and think, “Why are sticking with this guy when we aren’t going anywhere with him?” JJ looks for a HC FIRST AND FOREMOST on whether or not he can be comfortable with them. Winning is not the #1 priority.

Secondly and most importantly- as @atlantacowboy just pointed out, don’t think for a second that if we brought in some HOF coach like Andy Reid or even some young hotshot like Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVey…none of those guys can fix the way this organization is run at the top. Jerry Jones IS the problem. Until he changes or steps down, no HC or QB or coordinator is capable of saving us.

 

[Diehardblues]

Remember….Jerry hates to change HCs. He stayed with Garrett ten years. Ten Years when Garrett made the playoffs only 3 times! And JJ was ok with that. Whatever anyone thinks of Big Mac he is light years better than Garrett.

Regarding head coaches in Big D- First of all, JJ does not think like we do. We look at all our HCs and think, “Why are sticking with this guy when we aren’t going anywhere with him?” JJ looks for a HC FIRST AND FOREMOST on whether or not he can be comfortable with them. Winning is not the #1 priority.

Secondly and most importantly- as @atlantacowboy just pointed out, don’t think for a second that if we brought in some HOF coach like Andy Reid or even some young hotshot like Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVey…none of those guys can fix the way this organization is run at the top. Jerry Jones IS the problem. Until he changes or steps down, no HC or QB or coordinator is capable of saving us.

Well said and I agree.

But my argument persist . Has McCarthy done more with less or less with more ?

Meaning talent and coaching . If MM is a greater coach and has built a better team with more talent ( which I’d agree) then has he done more with less or less with more than Garrett ?? Assuming advancing in playoffs is the measuring stick.

 

[HungryLion]

Well said and I agree.

But my argument persist . Has McCarthy done more with less or less with more ?

Meaning talent and coaching . If MM is a greater coach and has. Hoot a better tan with more talent then has he done ore with less or less with more than Garrett??

The organizations philosophy towards adding talent has changed since McCarthy came to the cowboys. Considering he is the only thing that changed (Jerry and his son and Mcclay are the same). I think McCarthy deserves some credit for the fact that the rosters are more talented.

Garrett also had a better QB and wasted him.

 

[StarOfGlory]

These last 3 years most would argue MM has built a more talented roster while revamping the offense and building a top notch defense .

And we have had most fans who believe this is a much more talented team under McCarthy.

The fact we had our first back to back 12 win and consecutive playoff seasons since the 90’s would support as such.

But we still have come up short in the playoffs and why we made the change to begin with.

This isn’t just about our QB and I warn you not to make it about it. There are ample threads for that discussion.

The Cowboys and McCarthy used Moore last year as a scapegoat after we had one of the top offenses not only in Redzone but overall . He totally revamped our offensive scheme which was already being called out while we were blowing out lesser opponents.

Now we apparently had built a defense which was hyped or sold as becoming one of the top in the league. Which had already fallen flat on its face in two of our 5 games.

At what point can we argue that McCarthy is doing less with more? Unless we are backing off this is a much more talented team than Garrett had ?

I was suspect of his playcalling and game day Mgmt before this game and season but the overall vibe was he is a difference maker and we’re in a much better place which there was some evidence to support .

I guess my overall question is this. Is McCarthy doing less with more than Garrett did?

I'm not sure the team is overall that much better than it was when Garrett was coach. We just seemed to have swapped one playoff underachiever for another.

 

[Sydla]

Of course the main issue is the two businessmen thinking they are football experts but they ain't quitting.

But McCarthy is no better than Garrett, or maybe only a slight upgrade. The team is no further along in development than some of those Garrett teams. McCarthy makes questionable in game decisions. The team still is crazy with the penalties. He had two good teams the last two years and they bombed out early in the playoffs just like most Garrett teams did.

He's not good enough. And he's certainly not good enough to think that if you just get rid of Dak and give him some different QB options he's going to suddenly take this franchise to another level.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Dak…
8th year
3rd coordinator
2nd head coach
The hate is valid.
Some of you just love him over the team.

Who is the next Dak victim baby???

 

[Sydla]

Dak…
8th year
3rd coordinator
2nd head coach
The hate is valid.
Some of you just love him over the team.

Who is the next Dak victim baby???

LOL at thinking McCarthy is a victim of a mediocre Dak.

This fanbase never learns. The desire to make it all Dak or all McCarthy is weird. They both aren't good enough. Start over.

 

[kskboys]

Not even close. MM, like him or not, is a legit HC in the NFL. Garrett is not.

 

[Diehardblues]

The organizations philosophy towards adding talent has changed since McCarthy came to the cowboys. Considering he is the only thing that changed (Jerry and his son and Mcclay are the same). I think McCarthy deserves some credit for the fact that the rosters are more talented.

Garrett also had a better QB and wasted him.

I agree.

So would you say MM has done more with less or less with more?

 

[Diehardblues]

Not even close. MM, like him or not, is a legit HC in the NFL. Garrett is not.

Of course . But that’s not the argument I’m presenting.

 

[kskboys]

Of course the main issue is the two businessmen thinking they are football experts but they ain't quitting.

But McCarthy is no better than Garrett, or maybe only a slight upgrade. The team is no further along in development than some of those Garrett teams. McCarthy makes questionable in game decisions. The team still is crazy with the penalties. He had two good teams the last two years and they bombed out early in the playoffs just like most Garrett teams did.

He's not good enough. And he's certainly not good enough to think that if you just get rid of Dak and give him some different QB options he's going to suddenly take this franchise to another level.

Good stuff.

Question has to be asked, though. Was it MM's decision to draft guys like Kelvin Joseph and Schoonmaker and to not draft a RB after losing Elliot and to not look for a disruptive dominant 3 tech? I mean, do we know?

 

[kskboys]

Of course . But that’s not the argument I’m presenting.

According to the headline it is.

 

[kskboys]

Remember….Jerry hates to change HCs. He stayed with Garrett ten years. Ten Years when Garrett made the playoffs only 3 times! And JJ was ok with that. Whatever anyone thinks of Big Mac he is light years better than Garrett.

Regarding head coaches in Big D- First of all, JJ does not think like we do. We look at all our HCs and think, “Why are sticking with this guy when we aren’t going anywhere with him?” JJ looks for a HC FIRST AND FOREMOST on whether or not he can be comfortable with them. Winning is not the #1 priority.

Secondly and most importantly- as @atlantacowboy just pointed out, don’t think for a second that if we brought in some HOF coach like Andy Reid or even some young hotshot like Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVey…none of those guys can fix the way this organization is run at the top. Jerry Jones IS the problem. Until he changes or steps down, no HC or QB or coordinator is capable of saving us.

Well said.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm not sure the team is overall that much better than it was when Garrett was coach. We just seemed to have swapped one playoff underachiever for another.

Ok , so who’s done more with less or less with more.

 

[kskboys]

I agree.

So would you say MM has done more with less or less with more?

Neither. MM has done what JG failed to do, get some real S's in here and start the DLine rebuild. Unfortunately for MM, he was saddled w/ a roster that has monstrous holes in key areas and I don't think he's been allowed to fix them in the draft. Last part is not something I'm sure about, for sure. Did MM approve of the Kelvin Joseph and Schoonmaker picks? If he did, then he's part of the problem. Neither was a wise pick. And no, it doesn't matter if Schooner turns out or not, we didn't need a TE and he wasn't a 2nd round talent.

 

[Diehardblues]

According to the headline it is.

Then you’re just responding to the title not the narrative or theme I presented . Please read entire OP.

 

[kskboys]

As is pointed out on this board constantly, the problem in Dallas starts in the front office and it’s been that way for 27 years. I’m not even sure Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan could succeed here.

Not unless Jerry would give them full control.

 

[kskboys]

Then you’re just responding to the title not the narrative I presented . Please read entire OP.

No time, fixing to go.

So, you're telling me you have a misleading title?!!!!!