Is Philly better at building teams than us?

[Aerolithe_Lion]

6 starters? Blankenship seems like the only one that would be considered a blow. Are you including some of the LBs from preseason who were just JAGs?

And that was some peculiar officiating that definitely benefitted Philly last night. My two favorites were the tackle of the blitzing LB that was obvious to anyone with a brain and the missed facemack, again, which was pretty obvious and in open field.

Some bad calls yes, but Philadelphia kneeled inside the 10 instead of going up by 3 touchdowns because it would have been disrespectful. Couple that with the fact that the facemask would have negated a pick 6, and that Miami is likely losing points with a FG if they get that call because we were stopping them all night (had less than 250 total yards on the evening), or best case scenario equalling the same points scored. The refs weren’t good last night, but Philadelphia wins comfortably even if they get that call, even if they get whichever the LB tackle was.

His comment was specifically about how our depth was bad. Weve been missing our RG for weeks, but our depth was such that Sua has been playing really well. Avonte Maddox is one of the best slot corners and was a big piece in us having the best pass D last year, he’s out for the season. Bradley Roby was signed to replace him, played well against NYJ but missed this game. We signed Julio due to the injury to Quez Watkins. Reed Blakenship is a big one like you mentioned, clear head above all our other safeties. Evans you can cal a jag, but he was doubly important with Reed out as he would have definitely started over Edmunds who was reponsible for most of Tyreek’s blown coverages

You can say they are JAGs, but the fact few noticed we had a guy in who couldn’t even beat out a JAG at many positions shows the depth we have.

 

[Sydla]

Some bad calls yes, but Philadelphia kneeled inside the 10 instead of going up by 3 touchdowns because it would have been disrespectful. Couple that with the fact that the facemask would have negated a pick 6, and that Miami is likely losing points with a FG if they get that call because we were stopping them all night (had less than 250 total yards on the evening), or best case scenario equalling the same points scored. The reds weren’t good last night, but Philadelphia wins comfortably even if they get that call, even if they get whichever the LB tackle was.

Weve been missing our RG for weeks, but our depth was such that Sua has been playing really well. Avonte Maddox was a big piece in us having the best pass D last year, he’s out for the season. Bradley Roby was signed to replace him, played well against NYJ but missed this game. We signed Julio due to the injury to Quez Watkins. Reed Blakenship is a big one like you mentioned, clear head above all our other safeties. Evans you can cal a jag, but he was doubly important with Reed out as he would have definitely started over Edmunds who was reponsible for most of Tyreek’s blown coverages

LOL. Come on. Even you have to be chuckling when you want to say you were down 6 starters and then tick off Quez Watkins and Bradley Roby.

The only one of note that was out was Blankenship.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Philly's GM doesn't run a team based on the "we like our guys" philosophy. Neither do any of the top teams in the league. Why? Because the we like our guys ideology is one where you are saying you are perfectly fine with stagnation.

 

[Sydla]

Going to a Super Bowl isn't a barometer of anything. The only measure that matters is winning it. Arbitrary lines in the sand to determine success are stupid. I never compared him to the Cowboys anyways.

They had to completely blow up the roster and start over. That's the definition of unsustainable.

They got there because they were the healthiest team. They weren't any better than the 49ers or Cowboys last year.

You're not smart enough to say who is/isn't embarrassing.

Yes, they were better than us last year. LOL.

And yes, going to a SB is pretty much the barometer that most of the league adheres too. Inability to have playoff success and make SB runs is how guys keep jobs or lose jobs.

No, the fact they blew it up shows that Roseman recognizes when things aren't going to work and makes changes rapidly, a skill our GM lacks in spades.

Yes, you are embarrassing yourself if you think Roseman is just lucky and not one of the best GMs in football.

 

[Sydla]

Doesn't matter, you aren't replacing them with players of the same quality.

LOL, how do you know that?

They let their best DT last year walk in FA and drafted a kid who might be better. They let their LG walk a few years ago and drafted Dickerson and he's better than what they let walk.

You have no idea what Philly would have replaced them with.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

LOL. Come on. Even you have to be chuckling when you want to say you were down 6 starters and then tick off Quez Watkins and Bradley Roby.

The only one of note that was out was Blankenship.

Most teams have base formations of triples and nickel D. Those are absolutely starters.

Their skill level is not even the point of what I or he was saying. They were still the best player we had at that position. You don’t have to be a pro bowler for your backup to suck. Our backups to those guys “who aren’t of note” don’t suck. We have depth

 

[Sydla]

Most teams have base formations of triples and nickel D. Those are absolutely starters.

You don’t have to be a pro bowler for your backup to suck. Our backups to those guys “who aren’t of note” don’t suck. We have depth

LOL.

OK.

Qatkins is a total JAG. He's not hard to replace. ****, your fanbase wanted to run him out on a rail after the Jets game on that bad WR screen play. Roby you signed off the street like two weeks ago. Trying to sell him as a starter of "note" that missed the game is laughable, even for the Eagles homers.

If you want to play this game, the most important player that missed the game last night wasn't an Eagle. It was a Dolphin - Howard. Now that's a guy that's hard to replace. Not Bradley Roby. Hahaha.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

LOL, how do you know that?

They let their best DT last year walk in FA and drafted a kid who might be better. They let their LG walk a few years ago and drafted Dickerson and he's better than what they let walk.

You have no idea what Philly would have replaced them with.

You can make a safe bet that they aren't replacing to HoF players with two HoF players.

You are also no accounting for the opportunity cost of what else they don't get with the assets they need to use to replace those players. You're downgrading at two spots and not using those assets elsewhere.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Well we beat them on Thanksgiving last year where Dak dropped 40 points on them, so there's that, you hater!!!

Signed,

blueblood70

Haha, if it was a real blueblood post you’d only be about four paragraphs and 700 words short.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

LOL.

OK.

Qatkins is a total JAG. He's not hard to replace. ****, your fanbase wanted to run him out on a rail after the Jets game on that bad WR screen play. Roby you signed off the street like two weeks ago. Trying to sell him as a starter of "note" that missed the game is laughable, even for the Eagles homers.

If you want to play this game, the most important player that missed the game last night wasn't an Eagle. It was a Dolphin - Howard. Now that's a guy that's hard to replace. Not Bradley Roby. Hahaha.

This is called a strawman argument. You are not debating what he or I were talking about, you’re making a new argument that you can push against more easily.

No one is saying the players we were missing were better than the dolphins were missing. No one even needs to say they are good players (but Avonte really is). Every player Philadelphia was missing could get cut because they’re not good enough to make the Cowboys’ 53, and my point still stands.

He said Howie can’t build depth. That is the root of this conversation. My retort was guys who were the best player we had at a position (even if they were terrible football players who should have been cut in pop Warner) were out. Their backups came in and we didn’t miss a beat. THAT is depth.

If Gallup misses a game and Tolbert comes in and makes a couple nice plays, that’s good play from a depth player. That’s depth. It doesn’t matter if Gallup is or isn’t playing up to his standards, that doesn’t change what Tolbert did.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Yes, they were better than us last year. LOL.

And yes, going to a SB is pretty much the barometer that most of the league adheres too. Inability to have playoff success and make SB runs is how guys keep jobs or lose jobs.

No, the fact they blew it up shows that Roseman recognizes when things aren't going to work and makes changes rapidly, a skill our GM lacks in spades.

Yes, you are embarrassing yourself if you think Roseman is just lucky and not one of the best GMs in football.

Dallas pumped them the game that Dak was healthy and they split on the regular season. No, they weren't better, not to a degree that health doesn't overcome anyway.

Going to the Super Bowl is a nonsense barometer. The goal is winning the SB, not going to it.

No, the fact that they blew it up means that they screwed it up to begin with. You don't get credit for changing course but not dinged for going the wrong direction to begin with.

He isn't just lucky, I didn't say that. His success is defined more by luck than anything he's done though.

 

[Sydla]

You can make a safe bet that they aren't replacing to HoF players with two HoF players.

You are also no accounting for the opportunity cost of what else they don't get with the assets they need to use to replace those players. You're downgrading at two spots and not using those assets elsewhere.

There's also no accounting for pride when one comes here and shows total homerism by arguing that Roseman isn't that good a GM and the only difference between him and Jerry, at this point, is pure luck.

LOL.

 

[KingCorcoran]

they always have a dominant two way dt. they had f cox for a decade. Now they have two younger d tackles with cox still rotating. we have good outside guys like ware and
Micah. Their defenses are consistently more physical and better against the run. we both build up the o lines and receiver corps. you can argue daks a better qb. they have two number one wr s and a top te. they made two superbowls in the last 5 years. we often rush the passer and cover well but struggle defending the run. Is that the key?

The Philadelphia Eagles’ person in charge of football operations can be terminated. The Dallas Cowboys’ person in charge of football operations can’t be terminated. That is the only difference that matters.

 

[Sydla]

This is called a strawman argument. You are not debating what he or I were talking about, you’re making a new argument that you can push against more easily.

No one is saying the players we were missing were better than the dolphins were missing. No one is even saying they are good players. Every player Philadelphia was missing could get cut because they’re not good enough to make the Cowboys’ 53, and my point still stands.

He said Howie can’t build depth. That is the root of this conversation. My retort was guys who were the best player we had at a position (even if they were terrible football players who should have been cut in pop Warner) were out. Their backups came in and we didn’t miss a beat. THAT is depth.

It's simpler than that. It's calling out this notion that Philly was really shorthanded last night and their depth carried them when the guys you are talking about are JAGs and mediocre types that aren't extremely difficult to replace. Now if we were talking Lane Johnson being out or Carter being out or Swift being out, sure. But trying to inflate the awesomeness of Philly's win last night because they were able to adequately replace Bradley Roby and Quez Watkins?

LOL, even you have to see how that's kind of funny.

This would be like me saying how awesome a win was because we adequately replaced Markese Bell.

 

[mcmvp]

LOL. Come on. Even you have to be chuckling when you want to say you were down 6 starters and then tick off Quez Watkins and Bradley Roby.

The only one of note that was out was Blankenship.

Jurgens too. Hurts has been getting much more pressure from the right side with him out…and also now with Lane struggling on a bad ankle. But yeah, the others I’d agree with

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

It's simpler than that. It's calling out this notion that Philly was really shorthanded last night and their depth carried them when the guys you are talking about are JAGs and mediocre types that aren't extremely difficult to replace.

It’s a notion that definitely should be called out. If you ever find someone who even thinks remotely that this is the case you should bring this up to them immediately.

But it has zero to do with what either he or I were discussing. And you’re right; They weren’t extremely difficult to replace because we have depth.

 

[Sydla]

Dallas pumped them the game that Dak was healthy and they split on the regular season. No, they weren't better, not to a degree that health doesn't overcome anyway.

Going to the Super Bowl is a nonsense barometer. The goal is winning the SB, not going to it.

No, the fact that they blew it up means that they screwed it up to begin with. You don't get credit for changing course but not dinged for going the wrong direction to begin with.

He isn't just lucky, I didn't say that. His success is defined more by luck than anything he's done though.

Dak pumped them in a game against Gardner Minshew, which was no different than them beating us when we ran out Cooper Rush. I wouldn't put much faith or value in that T-giving game (as I wouldn't put much value in the earlier one if I were an Eagles fan either).

Your second paragraph is hilarious. But this is the argument most of the Cowboys homers make in order to defend this organization and Jerry. Basically, you guys just think it's a SB winner and then everyone else that didn't win the SB did the exact same job. That stupidity in that kind of logic is both impressive but depressing (and something Jerry desperately seeks from his fanbase).

Your third paragraph is equally silly. How in the world does one say with a straight face that a GM screwed up his roster WHEN HE WON A SB? LOL. What really happened is Roseman milked all he could out of that roster, realized it was about to fall off a cliff and made the smart decision to break it down and rebuild. Now here in Dallas? Jerry would have ridden that 2017 team until the wheels fell off, the roof rusted and the car blew up.

His success is defined by the fact he's smart, he's shrewd, he works the system better than most, he's surrounded himself with quality football people. To say his success is defined by luck more than anything is ignorance largely born out of an irrational belief that the Cowboys are doing it right and as good as anyone.

 

[Sydla]

Jurgens too. Hurts has been getting much more pressure from the right side with him out…and also now with Lane struggling on a bad ankle. But yeah, the others I’d agree with

Jurgens, yeah, thats a tougher to overcome. You are correct.

 

[Sydla]

It’s a notion that definitely should be called out. If you ever find someone who even thinks remotely that this is the case you should bring this up to them immediately.

But it has zero to do with what either he or I were discussing. And you’re right; They weren’t extremely difficult to replace because we have depth.

Many weren't extremely hard to replace because they were mediocre to lower value players to begin with. The reality is teams don't find it particularly hard to churn the bottom end of their rosters. Again, you are are trying to argue that not having Roby should be viewed as a loss when you literally signed him off the street a few weeks ago.

Now if you lose someone like Sweat and the backup comes in and plays well, yeah, that's some nice depth there. But pimping your depth because a new JAG you had replaced the other JAG you signed off the street last week, LOL, that's bordering on some crazy homerism right there.

 

[kumizi]

They got lucky with Hurts but Howie Roseman might be the best GM in the NFL. Not just better at it than us.