Is Prescott the next RG3/Kaepernick

[tyke1doe]

Giants showed the blueprint on how to beat him.

And what's that blueprint?

 

[khiladi]

How do we know?

No, he goes through his progressions and reads but he's also surrounded by a great OL and Zeke and Dez, Zeke in particular providing plenty of one on one opportunities built off play-action.

And his OC has done a nice job of calling plays catered to his skills and didn't overburden him all at once.

BTW, he isn't a traditional QB either. He primarily passes out of shotgun, but he's not a traditional 3-5 or 7 step drop QB and Linehan rarely had him doing that.

 

[khiladi]

What Dak was able to do so well this year that a lot of rookies can't do was to have success against defenses that are expecting pass. We only ran once from these formations all year long, so this success has nothing to do with the threat of the run.

From 4+WR formations, rookie season

2016 Prescott 115 of 168 1363 yd 8 td 2 int 9 sk 103.8
2012 Griffin   44 of  71  316 yd 3 td 0 int 5 sk  86.4
2012 Wilson    65 of 107  724 yd 3 td 1 int 7 sk  86.3
2015 Mariota   37 of  62  406 yd 2 td 1 int 5 sk  83.1
2016 Wentz    116 of 184 1045 yd 4 td 5 int 6 sk  74.2
2015 Winston  102 of 183 1109 yd 7 td 9 int 9 sk  66.0
2012 Luck      91 of 187 1181 yd 9 td 9 int 9 sk  64.9

How is there no threat of the run, considering you can run 4 WR sets with a RB and go through play-action?

Zeke didn't need a lead-blocker many times.

 

[tyke1doe]

I guess the point of my post (admittedly that was rushed due to work) was to say, these young QB's looked like HOF'ers after their rookie years. It has happened to a lot of young QB's
Derek Anderson
Nick Foles
Vince Young (to a lesser extent)
I am just wondering if we need to be a little more tentative about him and our growth as an organization.

Kap didn't look like a potential Hall of Fame quarterback. He used mostly his legs. Hall of Fame quarterbacks become so because of passing, not running. And there's a saying that you don't see many older running quarterbacks.
At some point, Kap was going to have to settle down in the pocket, go through his progressions and throw the ball down field, not run it down field.

 

[sean10mm]

And what's that blueprint?

And why did nobody else follow it after the Giants did it twice?

Whoops.

The blue print is "have a good defense" plus "hope he just has a bad game, and/or his receivers get the drops and there are some dumb penalties."

Which also applies to every other QB, ever.

How is there no threat of the run, considering you can run 4 WR sets with a RB and go through play-action?

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure 4 WR for the Cowboys is almost always 4 WR + 1 TE + 0 RB, not 4 WR + 0 TE + 1 RB.

 

[Cmac]

Emphatic no!!!!

 

[Falco78]

He has a completely different mind set. He looks to pass first and only then run and he has maturity these 2 did not

 

[DogFace]

Because he's better.

 

[Stryker44]

Every time I read or hear this question I think of the stereotypical idealistic assumptions of people. Not saying you have one!

Not all black QB's are better athletes then they are at being a traditional QB. The first thing that comes to my mind when I think of Dak's skill set is not athletism, but by first his leadership then his outstanding skill set of running an offense.

And what's that blueprint?

1. 8 in the box.
2. Knock Frederick and Martin backwards into Ezekiel Elliott off the snap.
3. Consequently, Elliot falls into Prescott.
4. Prescott hits the turf and cries.

8 in the box and multiple formations will confused a small minded QB every time.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Dak has a chance to be really good. He's already shown flashes.
Why? His work ethic is what it needs to be. He gets what it takes to be a successful quarterback in this league. He genuinely loves the game. Everybody who has been around him has echoed these points.

His physical skills are good enough, but what sets him apart is his ability to see the field. He reads defenses better than any QB in his draft class. He has a feel for what the defense is trying to do and where the holes are in coverages and he can process mentally so fast that it feels natural to him. This is a trait only the great ones have. Most QBs can read a defense if they have enough time. Dak can do it as he sees it in real time. If he doesn't have a photographic memory, it's close. RGIII and Kap simply aren't on his level mentally.

His biggest downfall is he can be sloppy with his mechanics and that impacts his accuracy. With his work ethic I have no doubt that he will get more consistent mechanically. He's not as natural with mechanics as many NFL QBs are, that's one reason he was available in the fourth round. But he showed tremendous improvement throughout his rookie year in this area.

This guy is the real deal.

 

[percyhoward]

How is there no threat of the run, considering you can run 4 WR sets with a RB and go through play-action?

Zeke didn't need a lead-blocker many times.

CAN you? Sure. We only ran once though.

 

[LocimusPrime]

 

[ghst187]

RG never read a defense and kap is a moron and ******. Dak is the opposite. I'd say Dak is more like Russell Wilson with a higher ceiling.

 

[visionary]

We can't know for sure. But what we do know is that both RGIII and Kap were run-first quarterbacks. They used their feet to set up the pass. They were also read-option quarterbacks. The passing game worked off the read-option.

Once teams started to force both to stay in the pocket and pass the ball, they got exposed in the passing game.

That's not the same with Dak. Dak is a pass-first quarterback. He does not rely on his running ability except when necessary. You also see him climbing the pocket - which RGIII and Kap didn't do.

Dak also tries to scan the field, something RGIII and Kap had difficulty doing. Once they saw their first option was covered, they took off running.

Dak is also a student of the game. Chris Cooley was very critical of RGIII's ability to see the field and understand the passing game. Kap regressed when Harbaugh left. It's like Harbaugh was trying to make him into a quarterback who could last beyond his running years, but once Harbaugh left, the coaching staff wasn't as patient with Kap.

Now, I don't know if Dak will have the same touchdown -to-interception ratio/efficiency next year because as you become more comfortable with an offense, you take more chances.

But I doubt he regresses like the other two.

Agree
This off season is crucial
2 things will be very very important in his development

1. We need to keep Linehan as the OC because the second year in the system he will be much much more efficient. Learning a new system from a new OC would be the worst thing we could do to him

2. This off season he needs to work on studying defences and setting his feet when he throws. Those are things where 'throw anticipation' and 'accuracy' will come from which are critical to good QB play

Remember there will be a lot of tape on his and our tendencies that opposing DCs will break down all off season

I have no doubt he will do #2
Jerry needs to make sure of #1

 

[kevm3]

There is nothing in Dak's game that resembles RG3 or Kaepernick, so I'm not sure why this comparison keeps getting brought up. Kaepernick's also been to a superbowl and has had several successful years in San Francisco until they lost Harbaugh.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

How do we know?

Or will Dak be another Tony Romo?
You know, great personal stats, an unsustainable contract (40 or so million?) and 2 playoff wins in 11 years of playoffs futility?
Now THAT is scary!
And do RG and Kaper have more playoff wins than Romo? That would be truly scary.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

2. Knock Frederick and Martin backwards

That's not a plan. It's a fantasy

 

[Bleedblue1111]

How do we know?

I vote no. They were running a more gimmicky type of an offense, and never made all the throws Dak has demonstrated as a rookie.

 

[DCowboyz]

I doubt it. He showed us a lot the last game vs GB. In the playoffs he didn't choke, and just played his game. He played well. If he does become a one hit wonder then man, I didn't see it coming.

 

[sideon]

Kaepernick actually started to play better as the season went on, the 49ers team as a whole is just awful.