Is the Bucs game a do or die game for any Dak fans?

[Jayinem]

Yup 60 year is Cowboys fan, loyal, I’m not changing now. I’m glad you’re not a bandwagon.

He is a bandwagon though, he cried when Rush was starting. So it's not whoever's in uniform for him. If Dak was traded he'd root for Dak's new team.

 

[fansince68]

.....then Dak would be like my avatar or T.O described......."He's detrimental or a cancer." I agree.....I'd like to see Dak or anybody get mad, a time or two. Right now Dak can't do that because he is in a funk (similar to Zeke's fumble season). Romo didn't get mad either. I miss a Troy Aikman expecting better performance or The Playmaker getting in people's face.

In other words, Dak can't get on his receivers for drops when Dak has just as many miscues. Overthrown, under thrown passes. Passes late over the middle getting WR blasted. Most leaders lead by example. "Do your job" is the mantra of the Bucs super bowl season. If you don't or can't do your job, just shut up?

 

[Vtwin]

How do you as an OC call the same play that was just horribly botched on the previous attempt? That was why I questioned what the hell they were trying to do in that game. I mean that sequence reminded me of when coaches say "run it again" after you fail to execute a playin practice. That's what it felt like a lot of the time yesterday. Like they were out there practicing stuff and weren't all that concerned about the outcome.

I'm no expert but was that the only option Dak had?

 

[Redline360]

Nope

He's an above average quarterback when surrounded by talent. Still capable of winning it all but it won't be because of him. Just need to drive the bus straight

 

[Pass2Run]

Lol I don't understand this line of thinking, and this goes for Dak haters and Kellen Moore haters. We have the number one scoring offense since 2020, what more do y'all want? Teams like KC and Buffalo may do more fancy plays, but it's not getting them more points. So if you think Moore/Dak are so bad, how are number one in points?

I mean, I pretty much agree with this. Points are how you win or lose the games. So a lot of the things we haven't succeeded at come down to things outside of the things everyone gripes about, like the QB.

 

[plymkr]

If Dak wears the star, I'm on his side. Same goes for any player with the star, plain and simple.

I feel it is not only our right, it is our duty to want for what is best for this team. If Dak is not what is best for this team, why should we want him?



We should be starting Cooper Rush against the Bucs in my opinion. But since there's no way that's going to happen for reasons, GO DAK! DELIVER!

No matter what anybody says today, if Dak performs poorly and loses this forum will have a serious meltdown.

I agree I feel Rush gives us a better chance to win. Dak throwing interceptions is getting to be a mental issue with him.

As far as the OP's question. I'm pretty much off the Dak wagon but reality is we are stuck with him for at least 2 more seasons. So if we lose on Monday I hope Dak plays so bad even Jerry has to come to grips that Dak isn't the answer. Dak is not good enough get us to where we want to be. Every season he fades towards the end if the year and loses when it counts. This year the pattern has continued. Jerry has to see it at some point and we got to start looking for a new QB. The sooner that happens the better IMO. And since we're stuck with him for at least 2 more seasons bring in a QB to compete with him and a new OC.

 

[TheMightyVanHalen]

Cooper Rush is 5-1, the only game he ever turned it over was against the #1 seed. He should have been given the team but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ talks and they were like "well we paid Dak we gotta give him his job back!" then he failed again. It's always about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

LMAO! Let's be real here. His offense was ranked near the bottom and our defense was ranked at the top. It was the defense, Burrough/Jones/Wentz/Stattford not playing well, and then Cooper Rush who were responsible for Rush going 4-1. He won a game throwing for like 100 yards. The defense won that game. I give Rush credit for not turning the ball over though. He threw 5 TDs and 3 INTs. Averaging 1 TD a game isn't going to beat Tom Brady or anyone in the playoffs. Dak was almost perfect against the Eagles scoring 40 points, while Rush only scored 17. It's nonsense for you say Rush is better.

To answer the question...
If Dak plays like he did yesterday, then yes, my faith in him will not be the same. I will still root for him since he's the QB of my all time favorite team, but I would be really REALLY disappointed in him if he chokes. If the whole team comes out like the way they did against the 49ers, then it's a bigger problem than Dak and I might give him a pass.

 

[Cmac]

In other words, Dak can't get on his receivers for drops when Dak has just as many miscues. Overthrown, under thrown passes. Passes late over the middle getting WR blasted. Most leaders lead by example. "Do your job" is the mantra of the Bucs super bowl season. If you don't or can't do your job, just shut up?

....not right now.....he can't. And that is obvious. That's where a HC comes in.....to get on a player, or instill some motivation....... and to his coaches, when they are blundering. But we don't have accountability anywhere.......What's the mantra for our Coordinators?

 

[infamousstyles]

I think I need to see dak with a new coordinator before I'm ready to completely move on.

 

[RonnieT24]

I'm no expert but was that the only option Dak had?

I was not referring to only that play. That was just the most egregious example. They also called runs behind McGovern and Smith a dozen times and got stuffed every one of them. We continue to not want to call any drive blocking plays in the run game. I am sick of watching these big dudes dancing with the defenders. I want them to come out and maul the other team's front for 30-40 runs. It was especially galling because with all the shuffling you're dealing with guys who have not played a ton together. Their communication is not good and their passing off guys on the way out to the second level was horrid. On most of our plays there were three white jerseys in the backfield. Run or pass made no difference. The pass rush got into Dak's head and it was over from that point forward. Had him seeing ghosts and not setting his feet to deliver the ball in good position. Not that his receivers were open very much or were a cinch to catch the ball when it got there ...

 

[Sydla]

I think if Dak doesn’t play well we are facing the realization that we just don’t have a QB that can take us where we want to go. He would be more like a Trent Dilfer than an Aaron Rodgers.

He would need a perfect team around him and frankly, I don’t think Jerry or his dim witted son can build that type of team.

 

[removed_20241105]

How do you as an OC call the same play that was just horribly botched on the previous attempt? That was why I questioned what the hell they were trying to do in that game. I mean that sequence reminded me of when coaches say "run it again" after you fail to execute a playin practice. That's what it felt like a lot of the time yesterday. Like they were out there practicing stuff and weren't all that concerned about the outcome.

Maybe they just had a misplaced faith in the QB to make the right read, and/or throw. Not sure but I’d hope you’d acknowledge that the QB could’ve just blown chunks on that play. This, instead of thinking the coaching staff didn’t want to empty the bucket for a win.

 

[RonnieT24]

Lol I don't understand this line of thinking, and this goes for Dak haters and Kellen Moore haters. We have the number one scoring offense since 2020, what more do y'all want? Teams like KC and Buffalo may do more fancy plays, but it's not getting them more points. So if you think Moore/Dak are so bad, how are number one in points?

I'm sure I've explained this before but will do it again.. This offense scores in bunches against chumps because it has a number of great players. I think Dak is a borderline great QB yesterday notwithstanding. I think Zeke and TP are a great RB tandem... when the line blocks that is.. I think the line is good when healthy.. but it may not get healthy until next July.. I think the tight ends are at least serviceable.. except when asked to block and I think Cooper/Gallup/Lamb was a great WR trio in 20' and 21' but I think the receiver group clearly took a step back without Cooper this year. When I watch our offense play, it's clear there are teams that simply cannot old up against our line.. So even though we're calling crappy plays, they work because the line wins.. Or because Zeke powers through a tackle or because Pollard outruns the defense to the edges. Same with the passing game. So many times guys are not really open but Dak, when on, can place the ball in that 8 inch area where only his guy can get it. See the second Schultz TD against the Titans. Same with CeeDee making a bunch of guys miss and turning a contested 6 yard pass into a 20 yard gain.

None of that has anything to do with the OC. It's guys making plays.. Which works great against crappy teams.. But sometimes you're going to face teams with equal or better talent.. or just a really good DC who scouts what you do and get his guys ready to beat it. THAT's when I need the OC to come through. Or when Dak is having an off day. Don't have him try to throw his way out of it.. Run the G D ball some INCLUDING having him on a couple of designed runs. Quit calling plays like he's Brady or Manning.. You got an athlete at QB.. Use ihim. If he's off a bit at the start of the game that doesn't mean you have to keep throwing it and going 3 and out. I think a few QB draws or zone read keepers help get Dak's juices flowing. You saw it on the one TD drive yesterday.. That one dash up the middle fired him up AND his teammates up. And then we just went right back to throwing it every down. Yes we got the TD right before half.. but we did nothing to capitalize on that momentum.

The bottom line is that while I think Moore is a very good OC, I think the head coach is a better one.. Not because of X's and O's but because of his gut.. I think McCarthy just has a better feel for calling plays than Moore does. I'm sure McCarthy can't diagram every play in the playbook yet.. but I bet he knows which ones work and which ones stink without even looking at the play sheet. That's what separates him from Moore.. because I honestly don't think Moore believes any of his plays will ever fail.. They're all equal because.. you know.. "Yards are Yards!"

 

[ak47kaehu]

Are you out on Dak if we lose this game and he turns the ball over?

If not, what would it take for you to be out on Dak?

On the opposite side, if Dak can get us to the NFC Championship I will apologize for discredting Dak.

Good song

 

[NumOneQB]

Not a do or die game, but an offseason to think about if he stinks it up against a team they should dominate. Time to put up or shut up for the entire team, not just the QB….

 

[ak47kaehu]

It was the 49ers playoff game that did it for me! Now I'm just along for the ride knowing what we got at QB and just have to hope the players around Rayne can help cover for his brain dead moments and maybe just maybe propel us to the lombardi!

 

[RonnieT24]

Maybe they just had a misplaced faith in the QB to make the right read, and/or throw. Not sure but I’d hope you’d acknowledge that the QB could’ve just blown chunks on that play. This, instead of thinking the coaching staff didn’t want to empty the bucket for a win.

Dak did absolutely blow chunks on the play where he threw the pick and on several other plays yesterday. My point was that he (and the line) blew chunks on a similar play 30 seconds prior.. So why are you calling the same play there? What was going to change when you did it the second time? What is with this sudden undying devotion to Noah Brown? How many times was he targeted? 6? One less than Lamb.. He ended up with 1 catch. Two were outright drops and the rest were severely contested because he got zero separation. Sam with Gallup.. 6 targets.. one catch.. That aint gonna get it down. He also had his share of drops. Lamb is about the only one of the main receivers who DIDN'T have at least two drops. Schultz had two, Gallup had two, Brown had two, Hilton had two.. It was like once one guy started dropping the ball they all had to follow suit. I've never seen anything like it except last year against Denver when they did something similar. I counted 10 drops total in that game.. I don't know if this one got to 10 but it sure as hell seemed like it. And that's not even counting the one Zeke never looked back for. People will naturally wanna bang on the QB when the offense plays as bad as it did.. but it took all 11 guys and then some to put up a performance like that one..

 

[offlimits]

Everybody already knows where I come down with regard to the OC. I want him gone from Dallas yesterday. Let's hope he can get AZ or Denver or maybe the Colts job.

What fool GM would hire this kid as a HC? Oh, nevermind.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Are you out on Dak if we lose this game and he turns the ball over?

If not, what would it take for you to be out on Dak?

On the opposite side, if Dak can get us to the NFC Championship I will apologize for discredting Dak.

Dak is here to stay for at least 2 more years. Since you hate Dak so much, why don't you disappear until he's no longer here?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak did absolutely blow chunks on the play where he threw the pick and on several other plays yesterday. My point was that he (and the line) blew chunks on a similar play 30 seconds prior.. So why are you calling the same play there? What was going to change when you did it the second time? What is with this sudden undying devotion to Noah Brown? How many times was he targeted? 6? One less than Lamb.. He ended up with 1 catch. Two were outright drops and the rest were severely contested because he got zero separation. Sam with Gallup.. 6 targets.. one catch.. That aint gonna get it down. He also had his share of drops. Lamb is about the only one of the main receivers who DIDN'T have at least two drops. Schultz had two, Gallup had two, Brown had two, Hilton had two.. It was like once one guy started dropping the ball they all had to follow suit. I've never seen anything like it except last year against Denver when they did something similar. I counted 10 drops total in that game.. I don't know if this one got to 10 but it sure as hell seemed like it. And that's not even counting the one Zeke never looked back for. People will naturally wanna bang on the QB when the offense plays as bad as it did.. but it took all 11 guys and then some to put up a performance like that one..

THIS!!! SPOT ON, RONNIE T!


The thing is those Dak detractors know what's going on, but they act ignorant and just whine a bunch of nonsense.