Is there anybody who is missing Parcells as Our Head Coach Right now?

[wileedog]

Not near as many as 6th rounders and UDFAs.

Ignore the rest of the post much?

 

[Hostile]

Ignore the rest of the post much?

I sure did. On purpose. Wasn't interested.

 

[wileedog]

I sure did. On purpose. Wasn't interested.

Why would you be? it kills your argument.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

wilee smells blood in the wa-wa

 

[Hostile]

Why would you be? it kills your argument.

It doesn't, but go ahead and believe whatever you wish.

 

[wileedog]

It doesn't, but go ahead and believe whatever you wish.

Ah, the because I said so defense.

Simms - Almost cut, turns into SB QB
Vinny - INT machine, career resurrected under Bill and has best years by far
Romo - UFA out of nowhere
Pennington - Not a star, but helped turn around a 1-15 club this year

Which QBs did Belichick turn into superstars in Cleveland again?

 

[Hostile]

Ah, the because I said so defense.

Simms - Almost cut, turns into SB QB
Vinny - INT machine, career resurrected under Bill and has best years by far
Romo - UFA out of nowhere
Pennington - Not a star, but helped turn around a 1-15 club this year

Which QBs did Belichick turn into superstars in Cleveland again?

No kidding, Simms struggled under a head coach who was 23-34? Who'd a thunk it?

All of this is very nice, but it still doesn't change the initial claims of success by Belichick is tied to Weis and Crennel the same way success under Parcells is tied to Belichick.

That simply is not the case. Belichick has won post season games without those guys. Parcells has never won a post season game without Belichick. Without Weis and Crennel the Patriots are still winning over 75% of their games and came within 35 seconds of winning the Super Bowl to cap an undefeated season. Without Belichick Parcells does not even win 50% of the games he has coached.

Oh and I noticed you conveniently forgot to mention Drew Bledsoe who was drafted #1 overall by Parcells, shoved aside by Belichick in favor of Tom Brady, who then led the Patriots to 3 Super Bowls.

Everything Belichick has done in Cleveland is trumped by what he has done in New England. Once again Parcells true success is with the Giants, where he had Belichick as his DC, and one year with the Patriots, where once again he had Belichick as his DC. Other than that his results are average.

He is still a master architect, and I don't deny that. A great football mind. But a master architect and great football mind who is sub .500 without Belichick, and has never won a post season game without Belichick as his right hand man. For all his amazing success, and it is amazing, that can't be ignored, and as someone else pointed out, one of his Super Bowls came down to the other team missing wide right.

Put them head to head and Belichick is simply superior.

BTW, in case anyone asks, facing each other head to head it is tied 2-2.

It all comes back to the question of the thread. Do I miss him? I don't. if you do, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it as I am mine. I don't think the Cowboys or their fans got $20 million dollars woth of results. That's his haul for the 4 years he was here.

I can sum that $20 million up in two letters. P U.

 

[junk]

Yep, and then they plateau and he moves on. Ultimate success? Not since he took over the Giants in the 1980's.

And when was Wade's last "ultimate success"? How about a playoff win?

 

[Chuck 54]

As for me, a self-professed hater of the fat, self-centered manboob himself,

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

but I'm sure someone is.

 

[dbair1967]

And when was Wade's last "ultimate success"? How about a playoff win?

speaking of playoff wins...Parcells last one was a decade ago

 

[Hoofbite]

This thread has gotten to the point of ridiculous.

 

[Hoofbite]

speaking of playoff wins...Parcells last one was a decade ago

See my sig for one of the reasons why.

 

[burmafrd]

Hos still trying to defend Bellicek. How many rings has he won since Crennel and Weis left?

 

[dbair1967]

Hos still trying to defend Bellicek. How many rings has he won since Crennel and Weis left?

Did Crennel and Weis win big where they went?

No they didnt, both have been massive failures, Crennel got canned and Weis would have been canned too if not for his ridiculous deal that ND gave him.

And Belichick did coach his team to 16-0 and to the super bowl without them did he not? They went 11-5 this yr with a QB they thought couldnt play a lick playing all season.

Belichick >>>>>>> Parcells, by a LONG ways

 

[Bach]

Why would you be? it kills your argument.

Hence the 'not interested' part.

 

[theebs]

Quote:
But parcells was an outstanding coach long before he coached with little bill.

he was, like when?

dbair if your going to nitpick the man, learn his history.

He was loved at air force, he was loved at texas tech. the guys that played at tech for him speak as highly as the guys who played in the nfl for him.

he was the head coach for one year at air force, they said they were so blown away by what he installed there, they used his philosophy for 20 years.

and again, bellichick was the special teams coach and assistant lb coach to Bill Parcells when they were assitants in ny. They ran those defenses together. Bill was the coordinator lb coach and little bill the apprentice. WHen bill got the head job in 83 he continued to run the defense with little bill, again his apprentice. Bill gave him the official coordinator title in 85.

At least know his history if your going to nitpick.

I love this argument about parcells not being successful in new england until belichick showed up. Its pure comedy. 2-14 to 10-6 in two years with young players everywhere and a rookie qb, in a division with marino and shula and kelly and levy.

Hillarious.

 

[chinch]

Is there anybody who is missing Parcells as Our Head Coach Right now?

Head coach ... no... sporano would be better suited (and offer legitimate continuity).

Director of Football Operations &/or GM... absolfrikinlutely miss him.

 

[theebs]

I didn't say turning around teams was easy. I said he was the Chainsaw Al of the NFL, and he is. When a company was floundering hopelessly, they called in Al, and he turned them around. Once he got them on their feet, he left to do it again somewhere else. Nobody called Al to take a pretty successful company and make them super-successful. Just like Parcells. I wonder why that is?

And for the record, I don't hate Parcells. I love about 90% of his philosophy, from running a tight ship, to drafting high-character players, to playing power football, to emphasizing squats and cleans in the weight room. So much of that is just basic football to me that I assume it goes without saying. What I hate is the deification of Parcells, as if he invented football. One example is this Parcells "tree" that gives him credit for everyone he comes in contact with. I mean, Tom Coughlin is a 62 year old man who has coached for 35 years or so. But because two of those years were spent as Parcells WR coach, he's a "Parcells disciple" who learned everything he knows from The Master. That's bunk, and a discredit to what Coughlin has accomplished. To a lesser degree that's true for Belichick too, who learned so much from his dad at the Naval Academy.

And no matter how good a motivator or team-builder or disciplinarian Parcells is -- and he's great at that -- he's maybe an even better self-promoter. Angling for a new job with another team a few days before your team plays in the Super Bowl is inexcusable to me. So is asking for a GM job with the team you're about to play the morning of a game. How can anyone find that acceptable? Cyclone Hart indeed.

Well just to be clear, I dont think he invented football or is the best coach ever.

I simply refer to him so much and talk about him so much because A. I love his style and the results speak for themselves.

and B. I think he applies to alot of the stuff that goes on here because the types of players we have I think need a guy like him to be successfull. I really think coaches like parcells, cowher etc.. surround themselves with people who need their butt jumped to get going, and I think that is why so many of their former players like these guys.

and I think that is one of the reasons why this team has fallen apart so quickly.

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

You know it's kinda sad when you have to go back almost two decades to defend why BP should still be w/ the 'Boys! This millenium is all about "what have you done for me lately" and while no one can dispute Parcells' football acumen and ability to BUILD a team, I for one believe coaching is no longer his strong suit. He had his time in Dallas and chose to walk away...why would anyone want him back? From a coaching perspective, what has he done that Phillips hasn't? All either has given us fans are underachieving, undisciplined teams down the stretch and quick playoff exits!

 

[Cowboys2008]

He was good for ratings. I bet Jerry wishes he was still here. Parcells is talked about almost as much as we are in the media, it was like a double-whammy for Jerry's buck.

Ironic though how some of you who seem to want Jerry's head on a stake want Parcells back too. So if it's not halting Jerry's money-making machine, then what is it?

From the way I see it, the signing of Parcells was like one of the grandest publicity stunts Jerry has ever done as owner of this team. So some don't want Jerry to have power like that, yet you want him to have power like that? I'm completely lost.

Maybe it's just having someone strong like a Parcells here helps some think he's the one actually making the moves and in control. When in reality, he's just not. He's just another cog in the madman's machine of monopoly.

And this is Jerry's power; He can literally sell anything to anyone. You are in hell and he just sold you scolding hot coffee. Refreshing huh?