Is there anybody who is missing Parcells as Our Head Coach Right now?

[theebs]

Hello? I'm not making any point in any discussion about Belichick vs Parcells

Hello? Ya wanna point out where I even mentioned Parcells name?

Glad I could help make your point for you. As a moderator here I always pride myself on serving the membership well.

Hello? Your comment fit in and you responded to me with it, so you know?

 

[Juke99]

Hello? Your comment fit in and you responded to me with it, so you know?

Thank you for saying "hello" back. I like when people are friendly.

My comment was about your comment regarding the relationship between Belichick's success and Brady. My comment was about my puzzlement over when people say things like that. I then went on to reference Landry and Shanahan.

I thought it was ok to take the conversation in a different direction....or to address a different element of it.

I don't have any interest in discussing parcells or belichick. I can't stand either of them.

 

[Hostile]

You didn't mention it in the post I read and quoted. For some reason you only felt the need to repeat the part about Campo, and I sure that was for a reason.

Yes, there is a reason. It's called, my thoughts on Parcells are so varied and long winded that I don't feel the pressing need to repeat all of them every single time I post about him.

 

[dbair1967]

I can apply that same logic to Belichick with crennel and weiss.

not really, because Belichick wins without them doesnt he, and wins pretty big.

Accept it doesnt make any sense. If you have two great minds like you do in the Bill's you will get great results.

Parcells at one time I believe was a great motivator, that time was 15-20 yrs ago though.

But parcells was an outstanding coach long before he coached with little bill.

he was, like when?

and little bill learned a ton from big bill. Like darren woodson said, when he covered the pats for espn in 05 during the playoffs and he saw their practices and what they did, it was exactly what he did with parcells in 03.

practices might have been similar, but in game decisions, play calling and game planning werent even close...you can count on one hand how many times Belichick gets out coached on a yr to yr basis...it happened quite often for Parcells here in Dallas

Little bill owes alot to parcells and vice versa. Both of these men are of the quality of nfl person that they can assemble personnel and coach any area of the team. Not many in this league can do that.

Belichick >>> Parcells, in every way shape and form. Parcells is living off something he did almost 20 yrs ago, he's done very little sense.

Parcells is a tribute to the nfl. He is an extremely intelligent person and a great leader of men.

kool-aid running over huh?

 

[dbair1967]

I've missed Parcells since the day he left.

This team spending more time with him wouldn't be a bad thing and it wouldve payed off more in the long run.

really, how? did we ever win 13 games with him? nope...not even remotely close...the team did play undisciplined football, couldnt play decent defense to save their arses, were incredibly inconsistent on offense, he loaded up on FOB's left and right even though a number of them were mediocre players...the team finished poorly every season he was here...hmmm

the guy was washed up as a coach the day we got him...good job rebuilding the team and the personnel dept, mediocre as a coach

 

[Hostile]

Hype? That is ridiculous. again, who built all those teams? WHo was the main guy. Its just a waste of time to even respond to him being hype.

and belichick has 15 post season wins, that is incredible. Tell me how many he has without Tom Brady. I know thats not the argument, but having a hall of famer at qb really is a trump card.

Bill belichick and Bill Parcells are two of the greatest coaches in the history of the league, you cant go wrong with either one. And they both can and have had success with and without each other. People love to use stats but leave out details. The patriots stats disprove everything you are trying to say and I am actually suprised you dont realize that.

Maybe it's just me, but I have a hard time saying anyone "built teams" when collectively without his main guy assisting him he is not above .500 and has no post season wins. It's really just that simple to me. With Belichick on board Parcells is a genius. Without him, not so much. I don't agree that he has had success without Belichick. He does not have a winning record in the regular season, and he does not have a post season win without the guy as his right hand man.

Oh, almost forgot. I don't believe Parcells could have developed Brady the same way Belichick did. I have not been all that impressed with how he develops QBs. You'll mention Romo, and that is fair. I will mention back Cassel. Belichick has doen it twice. Parcells once and he left before he could truly glean the fruit of that labor.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Parcells' game-calling may be antiquated, but I love his hard-*** attitude

like today he was asked if he was coming back to the Dolphins because of the new owner, and he bluntly asked them what do they think he was doing scouting at the Senior Bowl, and asked, "what do your eyes tell you?"

this guy can lead

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Maybe it's just me, but I have a hard time saying anyone "built teams" when collectively without his main guy assisting him he is not above .500 and has no post season wins. It's really just that simple to me. With Belichick on board Parcells is a genius. Without him, not so much. I don't agree that he has had success without Belichick. He does not have a winning record in the regular season, and he does not have a post season win without the guy as his right hand man.

Oh, almost forgot. I don't believe Parcells could have developed Brady the same way Belichick did. I have not been all that impressed with how he develops QBs. You'll mention Romo, and that is fair. I will mention back Cassel. Belichick has doen it twice. Parcells once and he left before he could truly glean the fruit of that labor.

you have to admit that he does a good job of going places, and organizations automatically seem to turn it around within a relatively short time-frame

 

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I know am!:cry2:

And I was one of the main people who wanted Parcells gone after the 2006 season. (Mainly because I hate the 3-4 defense) But this team needs his discipline more than ever. This team needs a strong head Coach and somebody who will keep Jerry, The Locker Room and Valley Ranch in check.
I see this team going 5-11 next year.


Where do y'all think this team would be right now if Parcells was still Head Coach?

No...

 

[dbair1967]

Parcells' game-calling may be antiquated, but I love his hard-*** attitude

like today he was asked if he was coming back to the Dolphins because of the new owner, and he bluntly asked them what do they think he was doing scouting at the Senior Bowl, and asked, "what do your eyes tell you?"

this guy can lead

lead to what?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

lead to what?

the playoffs, and at one point it was Super Bowls

 

[Hostile]

you have to admit that he does a good job of going places, and organizations automatically seem to turn it around within a relatively short time-frame

Yep, and then they plateau and he moves on. Ultimate success? Not since he took over the Giants in the 1980's.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yep, and then they plateau and he moves on. Ultimate success? Not since he took over the Giants in the 1980's.

like I said, his methods are antiquated

but when he leaves, you try to replace him with other leaders of men, not X and O's guys and former backup QBs

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe it's just me, but I have a hard time saying anyone "built teams" when collectively without his main guy assisting him he is not above .500 and has no post season wins. It's really just that simple to me. With Belichick on board Parcells is a genius. Without him, not so much. I don't agree that he has had success without Belichick. He does not have a winning record in the regular season, and he does not have a post season win without the guy as his right hand man.

Oh, almost forgot. I don't believe Parcells could have developed Brady the same way Belichick did. I have not been all that impressed with how he develops QBs. You'll mention Romo, and that is fair. I will mention back Cassel. Belichick has doen it twice. Parcells once and he left before he could truly glean the fruit of that labor.

On one level this is fair but on another one there are a lot of great coaches in this boat. Its like Holmgren and Rhodes or Shanahan and Robinson. It just oges to show how much a good staff as a whole is critical.

 

[dbair1967]

the playoffs, and at one point it was Super Bowls

that point was a long time ago...

and only when he had BB with him

 

[Bob Sacamano]

that point was a long time ago...

and only when he had BB with him

and during a day and age when players were professionals

or most of them at least

 

[dbair1967]

On one level this is fair but on another one there are a lot of great coaches in this boat. Its like Holmgren and Rhodes or Shanahan and Robinson. It just oges to show how much a good staff as a whole is critical.

I dont think either of those is an equal comparison, because Rhodes and Robinson flopped miserably when they left Holmgren and Shanahan. Both Holmgren and Shanahan had some big seasons after those guys left...and what did Rhodes have to do with Holmgren's success in GB?

Belichick won huge without Parcells...Parcells has been a .500 coach w/o Belichick. People can spin away all they want, but dems da facts. And as Tuna said "you are what you are"

 

[dbair1967]

and during a day and age when players were professionals

or most of them at least

no argument there...the game was different (and far better) pre-salary cap.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I dont think either of those is an equal comparison, because Rhodes and Robinson flopped miserably when they left Holmgren and Shanahan. Both Holmgren and Shanahan had some big seasons after those guys left...and what did Rhodes have to do with Holmgren's success in GB?

Belichick won huge without Parcells...Parcells has been a .500 coach w/o Belichick. People can spin away all they want, but dems da facts. And as Tuna said "you are what you are"

I'm pretty sure both guys will be going into the HOF

it's not like we're arguing Wade Phillips or Norv Turner, Mike Martz/Jason Garrett

 

[dbair1967]

I'm pretty sure both guys will be going into the HOF

it's not like we're arguing Wade Phillips or Norv Turner

He was HC of two different super bowl teams, won two of three...he'll get there

although Belichick has afar mroe impressive resume, and he has back to back championships...probably tainted somewhat, but he did get them

winning b-2-b is the pinnacle right now...only the truly great teams have done it