Is this board capable of providing facts that Stephen is just as bad as Jerry?

[JayFord]

Look at him

Just look

 

[tm1119]

I think it’s safe to say that anyone involved with this franchise’s front office shouldn’t have a job. And yes, that includes everyone’s favorite McClay.

My evidence? Being 1 of only 5 teams to not make a conference championship game in the past 28 years. If you truly want this thing fixed you’re going to have to cut the head off of the snake…Jerry and all of his yes men.

Hire a VP of football operations…who then hires a GM…who then hires a coach. Until a functional chain of command happens we are doomed. So yeah, we’re doomed.

 

[FanofJerry]

Where did I utter the phrase Ivy League in anything I posted? Project much?

You are the guy trying to prop up Jerry and son in this and other threads. There would be no example in the NFL of a person fresh out of college with no NFL experience or ties other than his father buying a team ascending to a position like Director of Player Personnel. It is not something that you walk into without any knowledge of how that end of the business works.....unless your dad owns the team. It has nothing to do with what institution a person attended.

When have I been nothing but call things straight in regards to Jerry or the Cowboys? You cant provide any proof unless its something taken out of context or unless it was something I was half joking about. Thats fact.

If Jerry gave Stephen the title of Director of Player Personnel in 1989 when Stephen was 29 years old...he was MOST LIKELY unqualified for the title unless he was a savant or a wizard. I agree he was most likely not qualified and had no skins on the wall to deserve the job. Assuming you have to be a football guy to succeed in a position like that.

But...again...you are side stepping the 35 years of current experience. You are trying to muddy the convo by pulling us back to 1989 when Stephen was given a job with a football team his Dad bought. We arent talking 1989...its 2024. You still havent provided evidence to back up your stance that Stephen COULD NEVER EVER EVER collect the knowledge and succeed after 35 years interning....only someone that started at the bottom could possibly succeed.

Where do these interns come from at other Organizations? They have to be ex-players? You cant start a football career at 29 years old and learn some things over 35 years? Its not allowed lol.

You arent making sense. You want to tell me how to think about a subject without filling in the gaps.

 

[FanofJerry]

He’s not a shot caller he’s just a yes man and that’s the worst thing that he can be, a “yes daddy “ your right, a spineless rich boy. He’s a son who got his job only because daddy owns the team he has proven he wasn’t qualified and there’s not a team who would hire him.

prove it.

 

[FanofJerry]

Look…I’m not going to argue with you. If you are satisfied with what you’ve been getting and feel Stephen Jones is good at what he does, that’s your right. This is an opinion forum so your opinions are welcome here.

My opinion is Stephen Jones is not very good at his job and seems to have learned little over the years. My opinion is based on the Cowboys winning 4 wild card playoff games this century along with the Jones boys’ stated commitment to use the outdated “draft and develop” method of roster building.

They obviously haven’t learned that teams winning SBs this century have moved on from draft and develop because of the way the salary cap works. The Jones boys are too busy patting themselves on the back all the time even though they haven’t even won even a divisional playoff game in three decades.

That seems like evidence to me.

Maybe you are onto something with the 'draft and develop' thing. I wouldnt know.

I would still need to know who out of Jerry, Stephen and Will pushed for that philosophy.

 

[MyFairLady]

As the years go by we are becoming something that can not be explained by statistics alone. We can only be explained by something systemic. I have followed this team religiously my entire life and I am getting pretty old. I promise you the issue is not hidden. It is in your face front and center.

 

[Brax]

prove it.

Don’t have to, proof is the last 30 years and Stevie’s own words condemn him. After that lions loss old Stevie the joke said
“"No, I don't," he said "We've got the right kind of guys on the coaching staff. I think we have the right kind of players. I feel like we've got the right group here. I don't necessarily know that raising hell is the answer here."
Brain dead entitled pimple off Jerry’s behind. You believe what you want in your fantasy world of the Jones boys FO but it’s a one man crap show with Stevie the boot licking son getting fatter every day and I have 30 years of proof to back it up

 

[FanofJerry]

Don’t have to, proof is the last 30 years and Stevie’s own words condemn him. After that lions loss old Stevie the joke said
“"No, I don't," he said "We've got the right kind of guys on the coaching staff. I think we have the right kind of players. I feel like we've got the right group here. I don't necessarily know that raising hell is the answer here."
Brain dead entitled pimple off Jerry’s behind. You believe what you want in your fantasy world of the Jones boys FO but it’s a one man crap show with Stevie the boot licking son getting fatter every day and I have 30 years of proof to back it up

you seem angry at me for asking tough questions

 

[gtb1943]

you seem angry at me for asking tough questions

maybe he is just disgusted trying to talk sense to people who cannot accept it

 

[gtb1943]

Why do you not show evidence that stephen is more than just a guy who got his job because of who his father is

 

[irishline]

If posters want to make jumps with nothing bridging the gap...cant I say that since Stephen ripped the Johnny Manziel card out of Jerry's hand....that shows Stephen knows some things? Or....when its someone you want to hate on like Stephen...its just simply "a broken clock is right twice a day"?

You do know the Manzel story is a lie correct? No one ever ripped anything out of Jerry's hand that night. It was all a myth. It's just a made up story that grew and grew into what you just said happened that night. Shocker, I know.

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news...y-jones-myth-lie-vs-truth-podcast-zack-martin

Manziel's Cowboys Apology - And Jerry Jones' Myth-Making Fib vs. Truth

"But here's a fact that apparently Manziel himself doesn't even know to this day, as the tale is growing taller but is still untrue: "Jerry Jones almost forced his Dallas Cowboys to take Johnny Manziel in the first round of the 2014 NFL Draft'' ... never happened.

It's a helluva story. It's got it all. Controversial owner, colorful kid, Texas QB, first-round arguments ... Unfortunately, it's baloney.

The truth, via those who lived it ..."


Not going to talk about the whole article, but as to your comment above, for starters Jerry was at the Star draft war room, he wouldn't have a draft card in his hand to hand in to anyone. Common sense. Give the rest a read and learn the truth. And no, it's not the only article on the "myth" Jerry started.

This post is not meant to comment about Stephen one way or another. My only point being, if you are going to demand proof of something for someone, make your proof of the opposite be an actual fact.

 

[FanofJerry]

You do know the Manzel story is a lie correct? No one ever ripped anything out of Jerry's hand that night. It was all a myth. Your boy Jerry just told a story to keep the "Cowboys" in the news and it grew and grew into what you just said happened that night. Shocker, I know.

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news...y-jones-myth-lie-vs-truth-podcast-zack-martin

Manziel's Cowboys Apology - And Jerry Jones' Myth-Making Fib vs. Truth

"But here's a fact that apparently Manziel himself doesn't even know to this day, as the tale is growing taller but is still untrue: "Jerry Jones almost forced his Dallas Cowboys to take Johnny Manziel in the first round of the 2014 NFL Draft'' ... never happened.

It's a helluva story. It's got it all. Controversial owner, colorful kid, Texas QB, first-round arguments ... Unfortunately, it's baloney.

The truth, via those who lived it ..."


Not going to talk about the whole article, but as to your comment above, for starters Jerry was at the Star draft war room, he wouldn't have a draft card in his hand to hand in to anyone. Common sense. Give the rest a read and learn the truth. And no, it's not the only article on the "myth" Jerry started.

This post is not meant to comment about Stephen one way or another. My only point being, if you are going to demand proof of something for someone, make your proof of the opposite be an actual fact.

Your post reinforces why I am asking for proof.

But yeah, the Manziel story might not be factual. Wouldnt surprise me.

 

[DandyDon1722]

You’re trying to hard to convince everybody you’re right while you are completely missing the real comparison.

It’s not comparing Stephen and Jerry it’s comparing Charlotte to Stephen and Jerry and she is infinitely better than both.

Here’s her current resume.

She is officially listed as a co- owner of the Dallas Cowboys so immediately she passes all the league’s qualifications.

She been attending League and Owner meetings 20 years.,

She is the Chief Brand Officer if the Cowboys, the most visible sports brand in the world.

She serves on the NFL’s Legalized Sports Betting Committee with Arthur Blank and Shad Kahn, considered an high priority committee in NFL circles and was named to another high priority position in the NFL’s Health and Safety Committee,

She’s respected around the league, and is a known quantity among other owners, She’s measured, intelligent and sknows how to navigate the NFL room.

But beyond all of that she doesn’t have the ego that comes from the boys. No radio shows or daily press conferences after games and no knee jerk decision making on draft day and she is self aware enough to let football people handle football things.

Maybe this will enlighten you to a new perspective of the potential line of succession of the franchise.

In reality she is the only hope we have for meaningful change.

 

[Whiskey Cowboy]

I have no idea what changes when the old fart kicks the bucket, but I don't see Steve-O demanding the same control that his dad requires. He's an idiot, but I don't think he's native to the fact that having a strong GM in place allows him to surpass Jerrah's legacy. What son doesn't want to surpass their old man? Ideally, he sees Mark Davis and thinks to himself that he doesn't want to become that guy. I guess time will tell.

 

[kskboys]

You do know the Manzel story is a lie correct? No one ever ripped anything out of Jerry's hand that night. It was all a myth. It's just a made up story that grew and grew into what you just said happened that night. Shocker, I know.

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news...y-jones-myth-lie-vs-truth-podcast-zack-martin

Manziel's Cowboys Apology - And Jerry Jones' Myth-Making Fib vs. Truth

"But here's a fact that apparently Manziel himself doesn't even know to this day, as the tale is growing taller but is still untrue: "Jerry Jones almost forced his Dallas Cowboys to take Johnny Manziel in the first round of the 2014 NFL Draft'' ... never happened.

It's a helluva story. It's got it all. Controversial owner, colorful kid, Texas QB, first-round arguments ... Unfortunately, it's baloney.

The truth, via those who lived it ..."


Not going to talk about the whole article, but as to your comment above, for starters Jerry was at the Star draft war room, he wouldn't have a draft card in his hand to hand in to anyone. Common sense. Give the rest a read and learn the truth. And no, it's not the only article on the "myth" Jerry started.

This post is not meant to comment about Stephen one way or another. My only point being, if you are going to demand proof of something for someone, make your proof of the opposite be an actual fact.

I have made out w/ every Dallas Cowboys cheerleader

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well Jethro has that same lifetime or close to half of it in the NFL and he has not learned much has he?
FAILED ARGUMENT

Huh?

This makes no sense. I was not arguing that either of the Joneses has done well in any way.

Read what I wrote and try again.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Is this board capable of providing facts that support Stephen being just as bad as Jerry?

Stephen gets a lot of hate around here. Most of it seems pointless or attempts to manipulate you into thinking he is a trash decision maker.

What has Stephen done, not one or two things, but what is the list of mistakes that makes him unfit to take over?

This will be good for this board. I think a lot of posts will be desperate attempts to try and control my thinking...that Stephen doesnt deserve a shot because he is bad...without good reasons on why I should think that. It wants to tell me how to think about him, whether right or wrong.

Im gonna see a bunch of posts that dont bridge the gap. Example: "Jerry fired Jimmy therefor he is a narcissist". Way too much info missing to make that jump.

So...I have read about Stephen writing bad contracts. Ok...do we know he was fully responsible or did Jerry meddle? How the h e l l am I supposed to know Stephen is/was fully responsible with Jerry lurking?

So...I have heard posters complain that Stephen is a penny pincher. In Free Agency? What is Stephen responsible for that being a pennywise in a certain area is detrimental to the team?

If posters want to make jumps with nothing bridging the gap...cant I say that since Stephen ripped the Johnny Manziel card out of Jerry's hand....that shows Stephen knows some things? Or....when its someone you want to hate on like Stephen...its just simply "a broken clock is right twice a day"?

How do YOU know that Stephen will follow Jerry's GM'ing style? You dont.

Stephen has been in the immediate decision making circle since he was in his 20's. He's got 30 years experience with a football team. Jerry seems to have a personality issue that is effecting his teams...how do I make the jump to Stephen having those same issues?

I dont doubt that the Family wants the money train to continue choo choo'ing...but I cant just make the jump to "Like father like son. Its impossible for him to succeed" like some on this board try to make you think.

Can I get a list of things that support the Stephen hate around here?

Pay close attention to the type of responses I get to this.

This team is in a major downturn, as the losses, non-glory (30 years), and Jerry's Kool-Aid have grown stale.
Ratings will start dropping and heck our games will start to be flexed at some point and the bags at home games will be the norm.
Jerry would be smart to SELL the team within the 12 months as he would receive Max payout for his investment.
Fans want winners and even after Jerry's death who has confidence that the Jones clan (Beverly Hillbillies) can bring another SB to Dallas.
Sell Jerry and Sell while you still can get mucho $$$$$

 

[phildadon86]

I highly suspect a troll job, probably a fan of another team. I’m sure I’m not the only one. It’s a pretty rational conclusion given the absurd arguments he’s chosen to defend.

Maybe it’s Stephen Jones’ assistant treating this forum like a focus group?

 

[LysleE]

SJ is cut from the same cloth as JJ; non-football guys masquerading as “football guys.” So I don’t know why we, as fans, should expect different results with SJ in charge of the day-to-day. All he does is parrot what the old man says.
SJ is risk-averse and frugal beyond what is generally accepted. He has had one primary job: manage the salary cap and player contracts…and how has that worked out for the team.
The ONLY way this team gets fixed is to hire an experienced, competent GM who will make the hard decisions and remove ownership from any decision-making when involving personnel.
I think we have heard multiple people say that the Dallas Cowboys are run differently than any other NFL team and I don’t think it is meant as a compliment. It seems, at least to me, that Dallas has done less with more than any other NFL team thanks to the uninspiring and underwhelming leadership of the Jones’ boys.

 

[Loso86]

Is this board capable of providing facts that support Stephen being just as bad as Jerry?

Stephen gets a lot of hate around here. Most of it seems pointless or attempts to manipulate you into thinking he is a trash decision maker.

What has Stephen done, not one or two things, but what is the list of mistakes that makes him unfit to take over?

This will be good for this board. I think a lot of posts will be desperate attempts to try and control my thinking...that Stephen doesnt deserve a shot because he is bad...without good reasons on why I should think that. It wants to tell me how to think about him, whether right or wrong.

Im gonna see a bunch of posts that dont bridge the gap. Example: "Jerry fired Jimmy therefor he is a narcissist". Way too much info missing to make that jump.

So...I have read about Stephen writing bad contracts. Ok...do we know he was fully responsible or did Jerry meddle? How the h e l l am I supposed to know Stephen is/was fully responsible with Jerry lurking?

So...I have heard posters complain that Stephen is a penny pincher. In Free Agency? What is Stephen responsible for that being a pennywise in a certain area is detrimental to the team?

If posters want to make jumps with nothing bridging the gap...cant I say that since Stephen ripped the Johnny Manziel card out of Jerry's hand....that shows Stephen knows some things? Or....when its someone you want to hate on like Stephen...its just simply "a broken clock is right twice a day"?

How do YOU know that Stephen will follow Jerry's GM'ing style? You dont.

Stephen has been in the immediate decision making circle since he was in his 20's. He's got 30 years experience with a football team. Jerry seems to have a personality issue that is effecting his teams...how do I make the jump to Stephen having those same issues?

I dont doubt that the Family wants the money train to continue choo choo'ing...but I cant just make the jump to "Like father like son. Its impossible for him to succeed" like some on this board try to make you think.

Can I get a list of things that support the Stephen hate around here?

Pay close attention to the type of responses I get to this.

Nope just give him time and he will prove it himself