Is this board capable of providing facts that Stephen is just as bad as Jerry?

[FanofJerry]

What we lose in Narcissism we gain in additional ineptitude. Stephen's inability to close the Gregory deal, having to get an angry Jerry involved (whether we liked the deal or not). At that point, it looks as if Jerry took back the reins.

he difference will be that Stephen doesnt have the 'old friends in high places' and he wont get the free pass his father does. Can he step up from Bean Counter to GM, NO, because he's learTnt what he knows from under his shadow and the media will hound him to such a level his father never got.

Interesting point

 

[atlantacowboy]

Is this board capable of providing facts that support Stephen being just as bad as Jerry?

Stephen gets a lot of hate around here. Most of it seems pointless or attempts to manipulate you into thinking he is a trash decision maker.

What has Stephen done, not one or two things, but what is the list of mistakes that makes him unfit to take over?

This will be good for this board. I think a lot of posts will be desperate attempts to try and control my thinking...that Stephen doesnt deserve a shot because he is bad...without good reasons on why I should think that. It wants to tell me how to think about him, whether right or wrong.

Im gonna see a bunch of posts that dont bridge the gap. Example: "Jerry fired Jimmy therefor he is a narcissist". Way too much info missing to make that jump.

So...I have read about Stephen writing bad contracts. Ok...do we know he was fully responsible or did Jerry meddle? How the h e l l am I supposed to know Stephen is/was fully responsible with Jerry lurking?

So...I have heard posters complain that Stephen is a penny pincher. In Free Agency? What is Stephen responsible for that being a pennywise in a certain area is detrimental to the team?

If posters want to make jumps with nothing bridging the gap...cant I say that since Stephen ripped the Johnny Manziel card out of Jerry's hand....that shows Stephen knows some things? Or....when its someone you want to hate on like Stephen...its just simply "a broken clock is right twice a day"?

How do YOU know that Stephen will follow Jerry's GM'ing style? You dont.

Stephen has been in the immediate decision making circle since he was in his 20's. He's got 30 years experience with a football team. Jerry seems to have a personality issue that is effecting his teams...how do I make the jump to Stephen having those same issues?

I dont doubt that the Family wants the money train to continue choo choo'ing...but I cant just make the jump to "Like father like son. Its impossible for him to succeed" like some on this board try to make you think.

Can I get a list of things that support the Stephen hate around here?

Pay close attention to the type of responses I get to this.

Well, off the top of my head, Stephen isn't remotely qualified to be a GM. He has no expertise in player evaluation and nothing he has done in the Dallas front office suggests otherwise. Sure he's got 30 years of NFL experience and would have fired a long time ago but for nepotism. He has never been held to any job performance standards related to the teams success. He just floats along.

Better questions: What has he accomplished? Why should be allowed to continue in his role or worse get promoted to GM? His rise up the cowboy FO totem pole coincides with the worst stretch of futility in Cowboy history. The burden of proof is on you. There is 28 years of failure working against him.

 

[Paperbag]

Is this board capable of providing facts that support Stephen being just as bad as Jerry?

Stephen gets a lot of hate around here. Most of it seems pointless or attempts to manipulate you into thinking he is a trash decision maker.

What has Stephen done, not one or two things, but what is the list of mistakes that makes him unfit to take over?

This will be good for this board. I think a lot of posts will be desperate attempts to try and control my thinking...that Stephen doesnt deserve a shot because he is bad...without good reasons on why I should think that. It wants to tell me how to think about him, whether right or wrong.

Im gonna see a bunch of posts that dont bridge the gap. Example: "Jerry fired Jimmy therefor he is a narcissist". Way too much info missing to make that jump.

So...I have read about Stephen writing bad contracts. Ok...do we know he was fully responsible or did Jerry meddle? How the h e l l am I supposed to know Stephen is/was fully responsible with Jerry lurking?

So...I have heard posters complain that Stephen is a penny pincher. In Free Agency? What is Stephen responsible for that being a pennywise in a certain area is detrimental to the team?

If posters want to make jumps with nothing bridging the gap...cant I say that since Stephen ripped the Johnny Manziel card out of Jerry's hand....that shows Stephen knows some things? Or....when its someone you want to hate on like Stephen...its just simply "a broken clock is right twice a day"?

How do YOU know that Stephen will follow Jerry's GM'ing style? You dont.

Stephen has been in the immediate decision making circle since he was in his 20's. He's got 30 years experience with a football team. Jerry seems to have a personality issue that is effecting his teams...how do I make the jump to Stephen having those same issues?

I dont doubt that the Family wants the money train to continue choo choo'ing...but I cant just make the jump to "Like father like son. Its impossible for him to succeed" like some on this board try to make you think.

Can I get a list of things that support the Stephen hate around here?

Pay close attention to the type of responses I get to this.

Is this board capable of providing facts that support Stephen being just as bad as Jerry?

Stephen gets a lot of hate around here. Most of it seems pointless or attempts to manipulate you into thinking he is a trash decision maker.

What has Stephen done, not one or two things, but what is the list of mistakes that makes him unfit to take over?

This will be good for this board. I think a lot of posts will be desperate attempts to try and control my thinking...that Stephen doesnt deserve a shot because he is bad...without good reasons on why I should think that. It wants to tell me how to think about him, whether right or wrong.

Im gonna see a bunch of posts that dont bridge the gap. Example: "Jerry fired Jimmy therefor he is a narcissist". Way too much info missing to make that jump.

So...I have read about Stephen writing bad contracts. Ok...do we know he was fully responsible or did Jerry meddle? How the h e l l am I supposed to know Stephen is/was fully responsible with Jerry lurking?

So...I have heard posters complain that Stephen is a penny pincher. In Free Agency? What is Stephen responsible for that being a pennywise in a certain area is detrimental to the team?

If posters want to make jumps with nothing bridging the gap...cant I say that since Stephen ripped the Johnny Manziel card out of Jerry's hand....that shows Stephen knows some things? Or....when its someone you want to hate on like Stephen...its just simply "a broken clock is right twice a day"?

How do YOU know that Stephen will follow Jerry's GM'ing style? You dont.

Stephen has been in the immediate decision making circle since he was in his 20's. He's got 30 years experience with a football team. Jerry seems to have a personality issue that is effecting his teams...how do I make the jump to Stephen having those same issues?

I dont doubt that the Family wants the money train to continue choo choo'ing...but I cant just make the jump to "Like father like son. Its impossible for him to succeed" like some on this board try to make you think.

Can I get a list of things that support the Stephen hate around here?

Pay close attention to the type of responses I get to this.

I hear you load and clear but if he truly wants to turn it around then the first step to put separation from the saying of father like son would be for him to hire an actual GM and let the GM hire a coach

 

[FanofJerry]

For starters, the way the front office is setup is done purposely so we cannot pinpoint who is responsible when something goes wrong. I imagine that will continue when Jerry is no longer in charger. So right of the rip, this front office is designed for there to be no accountability.

But here is 1 thing that has leaked. Stephen went ballistic when Jerry signed Deion Sanders. Signing Deion weakened our main adversary in the 49ers. Signing Deion gave us one of the top 3 players in the NFL. Signing Deion was box office. We don't with the Super Bowl without Deion. So what was the downside of signing Deion? In Stephens eyes.....money!!!!!!!!! So if Stephen was against spending money on arguably one of the 5 best players to wear a NFL uniform, who do you think is most responsible for us sitting out of free agency EVERY year? Who do you think decided we cannot afford Derrick Henry? Again, it's setup so we can't pinpoint who makes these decisions, but I have a hunch I know who it is.

The other thing is the radio show appearance. What other person with Stephen's title in the NFL has a radio show? How much you wanna bet that Jerry's radio show appearance influenced Stephen to do the same? There is WAY more evidence that Stephen will be Jerry than there isn't. And lastly, when Stephen eventually gets Jerry's job, how much you wanna bet that Stephen will be replaced by another Jones family member that is currently holding a position that he contributed to 30 years of futility we have experienced?

FO's set up to mask the Owners bad decision making and use scapegoats is depressing. Its selfishness for power and money.

I find it hard to believe Stephen, 30 years old and 6 years into his Dad's football team venture, would go ballistic about acquiring a top player.

30 is that hot head age...and Stephen might be a hot head....but I still dont get the above story. I would need more context.

How much could Stephen have known after 6 years of interning to have conviction about Sanders? Something is missing here.

 

[FanofJerry]

He’s been a front line executive making decisions relative to how money is spent and players are drafted on a team that hasn’t had any meaningful success for 30 years. That’s enough right there for me to have no faith in him. Nepotism on its own is a stupid way to direct leadership. It’s not like we will be losing Phillip of Macedonia and gaining Alexander the Great.

He is not the shot caller yet, though.

Some have speculated its been Stephen for a few years now...nothing concrete.

 

[TexasBacon]

It is not clear exactly how much Stephen does and how much Jerry does. We only have anecdotal examples of Stephen’s involvement, but beyond that we can go by what both of them claim: they are more or less two heads of the same Hydra.

Agreed. While I have no tangible evidence that he's as bad as Jerry, most media people who are in the know have hinted he's as bad, or at least as cheap, and that their inactivity in FA is almost all driven by Stephen.

 

[FanofJerry]

Well Stephen has been under his father’ wing for the whole time Jerry has owned the Cowboys. Stephen believes he built this Cowboys team himself just like his father thought he built the 90s Cowboys. Do you remember that stupid secret sauce comment he made back in the Romo days? Just like his father he comes on radio shows with injury updates that undermines the coaching staff. Stephen is just like his father but does not have Jerry’s charisma.

I dont doubt, for money reasons, that Stephen will continue to SELL SELL SELL post-Jerry. Which includes going on radio and selling hope even when you know you are doing a 1 or 2 year reset.

Doesnt mean that he doesnt see some of Jerry's flaws and will repeat them.

 

[FanofJerry]

Stephen is cheap, shrewd, and feisty.

He’s the ultimate reason we sit out in FA. He’s brought up Branden Carr more times than I care to remember.

Seems like he would be worshipped around here then

 

[atlantacowboy]

He is not the shot caller yet, though.

Some have speculated its been Stephen for a few years now...nothing concrete.

Stephen is not the shot caller. He has influence and is probably the most influential person in regard to Jerry b/c they are a father/son who work together....... not b/c he knows what he's talking about or has any kind of track of record of success.

I just went to the Atlanta game and watched Jerry hold court on the field for over an hour pregame while Stephen stood around in the background with his backslapping crew yucking it up. It was very obvious who's in charge.

 

[Cowfan75Lives]

"The cap is a real thing."
"We've had a hell of a ride."

 

[Brax]

Is this board capable of providing facts that support Stephen being just as bad as Jerry?

Stephen gets a lot of hate around here. Most of it seems pointless or attempts to manipulate you into thinking he is a trash decision maker.

What has Stephen done, not one or two things, but what is the list of mistakes that makes him unfit to take over?

This will be good for this board. I think a lot of posts will be desperate attempts to try and control my thinking...that Stephen doesnt deserve a shot because he is bad...without good reasons on why I should think that. It wants to tell me how to think about him, whether right or wrong.

Im gonna see a bunch of posts that dont bridge the gap. Example: "Jerry fired Jimmy therefor he is a narcissist". Way too much info missing to make that jump.

So...I have read about Stephen writing bad contracts. Ok...do we know he was fully responsible or did Jerry meddle? How the h e l l am I supposed to know Stephen is/was fully responsible with Jerry lurking?

So...I have heard posters complain that Stephen is a penny pincher. In Free Agency? What is Stephen responsible for that being a pennywise in a certain area is detrimental to the team?

If posters want to make jumps with nothing bridging the gap...cant I say that since Stephen ripped the Johnny Manziel card out of Jerry's hand....that shows Stephen knows some things? Or....when its someone you want to hate on like Stephen...its just simply "a broken clock is right twice a day"?

How do YOU know that Stephen will follow Jerry's GM'ing style? You dont.

Stephen has been in the immediate decision making circle since he was in his 20's. He's got 30 years experience with a football team. Jerry seems to have a personality issue that is effecting his teams...how do I make the jump to Stephen having those same issues?

I dont doubt that the Family wants the money train to continue choo choo'ing...but I cant just make the jump to "Like father like son. Its impossible for him to succeed" like some on this board try to make you think.

Can I get a list of things that support the Stephen hate around here?

Pay close attention to the type of responses I get to this.

He’s a nepotism family member who knows he doesn’t have to do a thing and he will never get fired. Why don’t you list all the good things he’s done. He’s just a sycophant doing what daddy tells him to do. He’s just as responsible as Jerry for the state of the Cowboys because he’s afraid of Daddy and there’s not a good thing you can say he’s done

 

[atlantacowboy]

I dont doubt, for money reasons, that Stephen will continue to SELL SELL SELL post-Jerry. Which includes going on radio and selling hope even when you know you are doing a 1 or 2 year reset.

Doesnt mean that he doesnt see some of Jerry's flaws and will repeat them.

Stephen is not cut from the same cloth as his father. He was born into wealth and privilege. He has never had to sell anything in his life. He doesn't have the personality or charisma of Jerry. It doesn't appear he has the ego either bc he's been more than happy being the beta to his daddy in the Dallas front office most of his adult life.

 

[FanofJerry]

How long does he have to mismanage the cap and avoid free agency before you have enough proof?

Not making excuses...but I would need to know the war room(Jerry, Stephen McClay) philosophy on this.

Sitting out Free Agency and refusing to build interior DLine seem to be a big deal around here. I would need proof its all on Stephen.

Yes, Im aware I will not be given answers to how Jerry and Co make choices and who is at fault. I am just dont have enough bridging the gap to know that Stephen is terrible or cant win a trophy yet.

 

[gtb1943]

Seems like he would be worshipped around here then

not sure where this DESPERATE need to think Stephen is anything more than Little Enos comes from

 

[noshame]

You never know what Steven's going to do until dad's no longer around.

 

[dupree89]

You've heard of guilt by association? Well this is guilt by relation.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You have to remember that Stephen has never lived in actual reality his entire life.

Our oligarchs are certainly a demographic but this notion that they are separated to 'reality' doesn't hold water.

He has been rich his entire life, has a very technical degree, and a professional lifetime around football. Just because you do not think that he can relate to you and those like yourself who have not enjoyed such privilege does not mean they cannot be understood nor they cannot impact reality.

 

[FanofJerry]

This question you posed early in your post is the crux of it all when it comes to SJ: “What has Stephen done…?”

• What qualifications did Stephen earn prior to his father buying the team that makes him a competent football executive? None.
• What playoff record do the Cowboys have since Stephen was promoted to his current position as “Executive VP of a bunch of stuff”? Answer: 4-10
• Most damning: Is there a single team in the NFL that would hire Stephen Jones as their GM? Answer: No.

No, we don’t know everything about what SJ would be as a GM. But what we do know is he ”earned” his job the night his dad bought the team. Those kind of executives are cancerous to any organization’s health.

Cool...he didnt earn his job. That doesnt mean that he has learned nothing in 35 years just because his dad isnt successful. Youre side-stepping...and its disappointing.

How do you know that no other team would hire Stephen? You dont. Youre trying to tell me how to think.

This board thinks you MUST start at the bottom, in a video room, and work your way up. You MUST be an IVY League analytics guy before you can be a GM. Just because you went school or worked in the video room you are better fit for a job than 35 years internship in the actual decision making circle?

I dont know. I dont care if Jerry is awful. I just cant make the jump to Stephen being awful because his dad was didnt win a trophy.

 

[FanofJerry]

The guy is a dunce, the proof is in the resume. They can't put a playoff caliber team together and Stephen is a big part of that. He has no business in an NFL front office and if it wasn't for his pappy, he wouldn't qualify for a position anywhere else. Him and his father are complete crap and that will just continue after Jerry's gone.

Thats fine...but how do I make the jump to that conclusion with imperfect info? I cant do that.

Youre just telling me he is bad.

 

[FanofJerry]

lol . . .

stephen is absolutely the wrong man for this job .

Youre just telling instead of providing proof?

Info Wars are seem ridiculous to me.