Is this board capable of providing facts that Stephen is just as bad as Jerry?

[FanofJerry]

Well, off the top of my head, Stephen isn't remotely qualified to be a GM. He has no expertise in player evaluation and nothing he has done in the Dallas front office suggests otherwise. Sure he's got 30 years of NFL experience and would have fired a long time ago but for nepotism. He has never been held to any job performance standards related to the teams success. He just floats along.

Better questions: What has he accomplished? Why should be allowed to continue in his role or worse get promoted to GM? His rise up the cowboy FO totem pole coincides with the worst stretch of futility in Cowboy history. The burden of proof is on you. There is 28 years of failure working against him.

Youre side-stepping the Jerry issue here.

Is it Jerry or Stephen calling the shots?

The lazy answer around here is that its both. But...there is no truth to it.

You want to tell me Stephen is bad when Jerry is still running the show for all we know.

 

[FanofJerry]

I hear you load and clear but if he truly wants to turn it around then the first step to put separation from the saying of father like son would be for him to hire an actual GM and let the GM hire a coach

And possible piss Jerry off and give the team to Charlotte?

He is greasing Jerry with those comments.

I dont think I agree with you here.

 

[FanofJerry]

He’s a nepotism family member who knows he doesn’t have to do a thing and he will never get fired. Why don’t you list all the good things he’s done. He’s just a sycophant doing what daddy tells him to do. He’s just as responsible as Jerry for the state of the Cowboys because he’s afraid of Daddy and there’s not a good thing you can say he’s done

you cant prove he the shot caller though

its his dad's toy right now.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Youre side-stepping the Jerry issue here.

Is it Jerry or Stephen calling the shots?

The lazy answer around here is that its both. But...there is no truth to it.

You want to tell me Stephen is bad when Jerry is still running the show for all we know.

Its Jerry. Stephen gets in his ear but Jerry makes all the decisions.

I do not think Stephen is going to be the next GM. He's not a young young man. He's 60 years old. My guess is he hires a full time GM and does what owners are supposed to do.

 

[vlad]

“It's easy to discern where things are headed contractually, with Cowboys' Executive Vice President and Director of Player Personnel Stephen Jones having already declared the four-year, $57.5 million deal with $45 million in guarantees that was signed by Todd Gurley in 2018 is the floor for current contract talks with Elliott.”

https://247sports.com/article/cowboys-ezekiel-elliott-highest-paid-rb-nfl-history-132222691/

 

[Steve007]

Unless Stephen hires a competent GM, as he has said he will.

What have you seen that makes you think he will be Jerry part deux?

Where and when did Stephen say he will hire a GM?

 

[FanofJerry]

I hear you load and clear but if he truly wants to turn it around then the first step to put separation from the saying of father like son would be for him to hire an actual GM and let the GM hire a coach

I may have read your comment the wrong way.

Are you saying the first thing he does AFTER taking the reigns is to get a GM? Or are you saying he should stop saying 'Like father like son" right now in the media?

 

[FanofJerry]

Its Jerry. Stephen gets in his ear but Jerry makes all the decisions.

I do not think Stephen is going to be the next GM. He's not a young young man. He's 60 years old. My guess is he hires a full time GM and does what owners are supposed to do.

This makes sense.

But...they do have the two young kids(High School maybe, college?), one of which is always around, that sits behind and next to Jerry in the Suite and also walks with Jerry, Stephen, Jerry Jr and McClay to the locker room after games.

Its a family business. I think Stephen hands it over to McClay, whom he knows for a long time and whom the Family has known for a long time. McClay is 58.

 

[Big_D]

Thats fine...but how do I make the jump to that conclusion with imperfect info? I cant do that.

Youre just telling me he is bad.

His track record is.. so you make of that what you want. I don't see that mysteriously getting better after his father leaves. There is no perfect info, this is a collective decision and he's very much a part of it. And the results are what they are.

Not sure what you watched this entire offseason and didn't see Stephen Jones as a big part of the problem? The guy who wants nothing to do with free agency but seems more than willing to overpay his own players. That strategy alone is killing this team and he's supposed to be our capologist! He's right there with his father when it comes to overvaluing their guys. No other team in the league does that to such a ridiculous extent. Our complete lack of interest in FA is all him because his father didn't do that.

 

[TNCowboy]

at this thread.

 

[Bobhaze]

Cool...he didnt earn his job. That doesnt mean that he has learned nothing in 35 years just because his dad isnt successful. Youre side-stepping...and its disappointing.

How do you know that no other team would hire Stephen? You dont. Youre trying to tell me how to think.

This board thinks you MUST start at the bottom, in a video room, and work your way up. You MUST be an IVY League analytics guy before you can be a GM. Just because you went school or worked in the video room you are better fit for a job than 35 years internship in the actual decision making circle?

I dont know. I dont care if Jerry is awful. I just cant make the jump to Stephen being awful because his dad was didnt win a trophy.

Just because someone has occupied a seat at the organizational table does not guarantee that they learned anything. Especially if they are seated at the table because of genetics. The ability to learn requires humility and a recognition that learning never ends if you want to have excellence. From what I’ve seen of Stephen Jones, he doesn’t appear to have learned much from his and his dad’s voluminous mistakes.

How do I know that? The results they keep getting (or not getting) followed by doing the same formula that hasn’t worked. That doesn’t seem like learning to me. And the last 28 years, every single SB winner had a GM that was not the owner. Looks like the Jones boys haven’t learned about that yet.

SJ has a lifetime guaranteed contract despite the kind of results that in any other NFL organization would result in him being fired for his results.

 

[Plankton]

See...I dont know. He has 35 years experience. What job is that? Contracts? Because he doesnt have an IVY League Math degree?

How many years do most interns have to put in?

I get your point...but youre making jumps with a lot of left out info.

I think most on here would try and pin Stephen as someone that knows nothing, is football stupid and should not be around a football team at all. I just find that hard to believe after 35 years he would have no good input of value in any department at a football organization around the league.

I see people get good jobs after 2 years of internship JUST because they went to a certain college. Thats nepotism too. Its all around.

35 years is a long time to intern....even if you get to sleep in, get to take long lunches, get to play PlayStation and watch movies on the big screen at Jerry World.

If he wasn't the son of the owner of the team, he wouldn't have been in the role for 35 years. In fact, if his name was Stephen James, with the same CV that Stephen Jones came to the Cowboys with, he wouldn't have been in the role for 35 minutes, as he would never have been hired. So, the 35 years argument holds zero water.

 

[FanofJerry]

His track record is.. so you make of that what you want. I don't see that mysteriously getting better after his father leaves. There is no perfect info, this is a collective decision and he's very much a part of it. And the results are what they are.

Not sure what you watched this entire offseason and didn't see Stephen Jones as a big part of the problem? The guy who wants nothing to do with free agency but seems more than willing to overpay his own players. That strategy alone is killing this team and he's supposed to be our capologist! He's right there with his father when it comes to overvaluing their guys. No other team in the league does that to such a ridiculous extent. Our complete lack of interest in FA is all him because his father didn't do that.

More willing to pay his own players seems like a Jerry issue and not a Stephen one. Its Jerry's toy and there has been more evidence that Jerry is the one in love with his players than Stephen. You are attributing that to both Jerry and Stephen...which isnt fair to Stephen. Because they are in the business together? Jerry paid for the team, not Stephen. Can you provide proof that Stephen loves the players and their attention as much as Jerry? Does Stephen WANT an open line directly to him with the players after Jerry hands over the business? Jerry undermining coaches and allowing players to go over the coach is a Jerry thing for all we know. You cant sit there and tell me you know FOR A FACT Stephen will be that way too. Youre just talking just to talk.

Micah just interviewed about Jerry and his love for the players...Micah said at the Super Bowl he walked out of his hotel, Jerry just happened to be coming out too....Jerry asked Micah what he was doing and if he wanted to go to the Super Bowl with Jerry and his crew. And...Micah did. Would Stephen do that? We dont know.

Pinning Stephen with being unfit to take over because of Jerry and Jerry's personality is a bit frothy.

 

[FanofJerry]

Just because someone has occupied a seat at the organizational table does not guarantee that they learned anything. Especially if they are seated at the table because of genetics. The ability to learn requires humility and a recognition that learning never ends if you want to have excellence. From what I’ve seen of Stephen Jones, he doesn’t appear to have learned much from his and his dad’s voluminous mistakes.

How do I know that? The results they keep getting (or not getting) followed by doing the same formula that hasn’t worked. That doesn’t seem like learning to me. And the last 28 years, every single SB winner had a GM that was not the owner. Looks like the Jones boys haven’t learned about that yet.

SJ has a lifetime guaranteed contract despite the kind of results that in any other NFL organization would result in him being fired for his results.

Based on what?

And, how do you know Jerry didnt have final say?

 

[FanofJerry]

If he wasn't the son of the owner of the team, he wouldn't have been in the role for 35 years. In fact, if his name was Stephen James, with the same CV that Stephen Jones came to the Cowboys with, he wouldn't have been in the role for 35 minutes, as he would never have been hired. So, the 35 years argument holds zero water.

Because he didnt go to IVY League Sports Math school, that means he cant learn on the job like the IVY Leaguer would have to do?

Your just talking just to say stuff. Nothing you said makes sense.

You are professing that JUST BECAUSE someone went to an IVY league school they would learn on the job better than someone that didnt. Its a flawed take, dude.

 

[Bobhaze]

Based on what?

And, how do you know Jerry didnt have final say?

Look…I’m not going to argue with you. If you are satisfied with what you’ve been getting and feel Stephen Jones is good at what he does, that’s your right. This is an opinion forum so your opinions are welcome here.

My opinion is Stephen Jones is not very good at his job and seems to have learned little over the years. My opinion is based on the Cowboys winning 4 wild card playoff games this century along with the Jones boys’ stated commitment to use the outdated “draft and develop” method of roster building.

They obviously haven’t learned that teams winning SBs this century have moved on from draft and develop because of the way the salary cap works. The Jones boys are too busy patting themselves on the back all the time even though they haven’t even won even a divisional playoff game in three decades.

That seems like evidence to me.

 

[Plankton]

Because he didnt go to IVY League Sports Math school, that means he cant learn on the job like the IVY Leaguer would have to do?

Your just talking just to say stuff. Nothing you said makes sense.

You are professing that JUST BECAUSE someone went to an IVY league school they would learn on the job better than someone that didnt. Its a flawed take, dude.

Where did I utter the phrase Ivy League in anything I posted? Project much?

You are the guy trying to prop up Jerry and son in this and other threads. There would be no example in the NFL of a person fresh out of college with no NFL experience or ties other than his father buying a team ascending to a position like Director of Player Personnel. It is not something that you walk into without any knowledge of how that end of the business works.....unless your dad owns the team. It has nothing to do with what institution a person attended.

 

[Brax]

you cant prove he the shot caller though

its his dad's toy right now.

He’s not a shot caller he’s just a yes man and that’s the worst thing that he can be, a “yes daddy “ your right, a spineless rich boy. He’s a son who got his job only because daddy owns the team he has proven he wasn’t qualified and there’s not a team who would hire him.

 

[gtb1943]

Our oligarchs are certainly a demographic but this notion that they are separated to 'reality' doesn't hold water.

He has been rich his entire life, has a very technical degree, and a professional lifetime around football. Just because you do not think that he can relate to you and those like yourself who have not enjoyed such privilege does not mean they cannot be understood nor they cannot impact reality.

Well Jethro has that same lifetime or close to half of it in the NFL and he has not learned much has he?
FAILED ARGUMENT

 

[gtb1943]

Youre side-stepping the Jerry issue here.

Is it Jerry or Stephen calling the shots?

The lazy answer around here is that its both. But...there is no truth to it.

You want to tell me Stephen is bad when Jerry is still running the show for all we know.

NEITHER ONE OF THEM ARE QUALIFIED AS THE RESULTS HAVE SHOWN.
go on sucking up to the jones boys but do not expect anyone else but other ones to applaud