Is this the game Prescott emerges to more Elite category?

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john van brocklin

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But every QB has stinkers.. Every QB throws INTs.. Every QB misses open receivers.. Since I don't expect any player to be flawless every week the occasional stinker game doesn't bother me as much as it seems to bother others. Over the course of his career Dak has had more good games than bad. That's pretty much all any of us can hope for. The ratio of good games to bad games should continue trending higher every year. If we define a good game as a passer rating over 95, a great game as above 110, an "okay game" as between 80 and 95 and anything below 80 as a bad game and anything below 60 to be "what the hell is going on here?" here is how Dak would break down the last few seasons:


2022 - 4 games above 110, 2 games between 95 - 110, 2 games between 80 - 95, 2 games between 60 - 80 and two WTH games. So that's 4 games on fire, 2 pretty good games, 2 relatively neutral games and 4 negatives.
2021 - 6 games above 110, 5 games between 95-110, 1 game between 80-95 and 2 games between 60-80 and two WTH game.

So this year his stinker rate went up a tick from one out of four to one out of three. Obviously that's heavily tied to the INTs which he had never thrown at a high rate until this year. But we already know that easily a third of his INTs hit his receivers in the hands and got bounced to the defense. So you have to understand that when evaluating Dak's play. If you refuse to do so then you reveal your agenda. Dak could not have thrown those balls any better but the end result clobbers his rating. But the bottom line is 10 phenomenal games and a total of 17 good to great games over the past two seasons out of 28 starts tells me the dude is good at his job. No matter how you slice it that is NOT a bad QB. Those numbers render that narrative patently false. You can feel free to rank Dak wherever you want among the good QBs in the league but any attempt to claim he not at least GOOD is just flappin yer gums. You don't win 70% of your games over the past two seasons being a bad QB.
This conversation I believe is what would it take for Dak to go from Good to elite.
My take is that if he has less stinkers, that would do the trick.
Of course playoff success will move the needle too.
 

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Understood but isn’t playoff success the ultimate culmination of what the regular season presents.

If the Cowboys have more success in the playoffs this era than any other QB isn’t that going to elevate his status?
Yes playoff success could possibly move him to Elite status as well as more consistent regular season performances.
 

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Mathew Stafford just won a SB. He has no playoff success until last year and how many years has he played? . Dak is a damn fine QB and capable of helping this team to a SB. By the way I would say Dan Marino would qualify as an elite QB, he has 0 SB

Stafford is a great example and the comparison I usually use for Dak. He got the same crap from the media his whole career in Detroit just at a lesser level bc it wasn’t Dallas.

Like Dak, he’s been a top 10ish QB that isn’t elite, but if on a good enough team has what it takes to win a Super Bowl.
 

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I like Dak. But he won't be elite in my mind until he's ALOT better in the red zone and two minute drill. We do not need a effffing 14 play drive when there is 2:00 left on the clock.
Eh I get he has things he needs to work on but those two are not it especially redzone this season.

Dak’s RZ stats this season:

17 TD’s 1 interception



In 2 minute, Dak has always been his best self and this is a fairly universally recognized strength of his game. It’s one of his best attributes because he doesn’t have to overthink he can just go play loose. It’s been a strength since he’s gotten into the league.
 

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Eh I get he has things he needs to work on but those two are not it especially redzone this season.

Dak’s RZ stats this season:

17 TD’s 1 interception



In 2 minute, Dak has always been his best self and this is a fairly universally recognized strength of his game. It’s one of his best attributes because he doesn’t have to overthink he can just go play loose. It’s been a strength since he’s gotten into the league.


Agree…those are like 2 of the things he’s best at. Weird post.
 

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This conversation I believe is what would it take for Dak to go from Good to elite.
My take is that if he has less stinkers, that would do the trick.
Of course playoff success will move the needle too.
I would guess that Dak's stinker ratio isn't any higher than most of the better QBs in the league. But he's the QB of the one team we watch every snap of while we only see highlights and snippets of other guys...


Check this out:


Josh Allen the last two seasons:

9 games above 110 rating, 7 games between 95 - 110, 6 games between 80 - 95, 9 games 60 - 80 and 2 games of absolute horse bleep.

Justin Herbert the last two seasons

10 games above 110, 5 games between 95 - 110, 9 games 80 - 95, 8 games 60 - 80 .. To his credit.. no extreme stinkers below 60.. but that's 8 games below the Mason Dixon line (the 80 mark.)

I just looked up these two because they are two guys almost universally held in higher regard than Dak. But their good game to poor game ratio no better than his.

It's telling that Dak has had the same or more good games than these guys despite fewer games played.
 

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I would guess that Dak's stinker ratio isn't any higher than most of the better QBs in the league. But he's the QB of the one team we watch every snap of while we only see highlights and snippets of other guys...


Check this out:


Josh Allen the last two seasons:

9 games above 110 rating, 7 games between 95 - 110, 6 games between 80 - 95, 9 games 60 - 80 and 2 games of absolute horse bleep.

Justin Herbert the last two seasons

10 games above 110, 5 games between 95 - 110, 9 games 80 - 95, 8 games 60 - 80 .. To his credit.. no extreme stinkers below 60.. but that's 8 games below the Mason Dixon line (the 80 mark.)

I just looked up these two because they are two guys almost universally held in higher regard than Dak. But their good game to poor game ratio no better than his.

It's telling that Dak has had the same or more good games than these guys despite fewer games played.

The whole elite label thing is always borderline comical to me. There’s like 2/3 dudes on the planet that are, and the rest of the teams are trying to figure out how to win it all without an elite QB.

Dak is a very good QB, not elite. At this point he’s not going to be elite. That being said he’s plenty good to win it all. We just saw a non elite QB in Staffford win it all and we’ve seen far worse QBs win it all.
 

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I would guess that Dak's stinker ratio isn't any higher than most of the better QBs in the league. But he's the QB of the one team we watch every snap of while we only see highlights and snippets of other guys...


Check this out:


Josh Allen the last two seasons:

9 games above 110 rating, 7 games between 95 - 110, 6 games between 80 - 95, 9 games 60 - 80 and 2 games of absolute horse bleep.

Justin Herbert the last two seasons

10 games above 110, 5 games between 95 - 110, 9 games 80 - 95, 8 games 60 - 80 .. To his credit.. no extreme stinkers below 60.. but that's 8 games below the Mason Dixon line (the 80 mark.)

I just looked up these two because they are two guys almost universally held in higher regard than Dak. But their good game to poor game ratio no better than his.

It's telling that Dak has had the same or more good games than these guys despite fewer games played.
Interesting!
Wonder why those guys are getting the all pro and pro bowl nods over Dak ?
 

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This is the best opportunity Dak will have to shut up the nay-sayers(to which I've been one). He will be facing the best defense in the NFL. If he is the QB that his salary says he is, this will be his chance to prove it. Facing a defensive front that can get home rushing four, and a swarming corp of linebackers that are amongst the best in the league will be a huge step up from what they faced Monday. Beating TB was a good first step, but passing the test this Sunday will make believers of many.
 

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Could he become the first QB since the 90’s to lead Cowboys to a championship game appearance?

And will he be the difference in finally knocking down that wall?

This is a great opportunity for him to get the monkey not only off his back but the entire franchise .

Can he take us where many have felt we’d probably not go again this era under Jethro?

If he can and if he continues playing his best ball on the biggest stages then he’s likely to vault more into the Elite category so many have denied him without more postseason success.
I have dismissed the word "elite" out of my vocabulary.
Dak is standing on the hill top of dismissing all the doubters, he has a chance to silence everyone that ever doubted him.
That hill top has a downward side as well, and if he faulters Dak will fall right back into to the pit of endless doubt and criticism.
This weekend is Daks chance to advance his standing and dismiss the doubters, its Daks pinnacle career moment at this point.
 

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I agree

Just saying
Super Bowl does not equal elite for an individual player.
Not does it mean a player is not elite just b/c he didn't win a SB

Elite QBs win super bowl titles that simple.
 

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Mark Rypien, Joe Theismann, Trent Dilpher, Matt Stafford, Nick Foles, and many more like them disagree.
I'm going to make it simple. NOT EVERY QB THAT HAS WON A SUPER BOWL IS ELITE. BUT EVERY QB THAT'S ELITE HAS WON A SUPER BOWL.

All those QBs you mentioned were carried by good defenses or great running game.
 

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I'm going to make it simple. NOT EVERY QB THAT HAS WON A SUPER BOWL IS ELITE. BUT EVERY QB THAT'S ELITE HAS WON A SUPER BOWL.

All those QBs you mentioned were carried by good defenses or great running game.

Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, among others would beg to differ. Those are guys who were in their day regarded as among the very best in the business. If you need more recent examples.. Burrow, Allen, Burrow, Herbert and Watson have all been coronated by the media as elite QBs. Yet they have the same number of Super Bowl wins as you and me.. So maybe it's not quite that simple.
 

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Interesting!
Wonder why those guys are getting the all pro and pro bowl nods over Dak ?
Narratives my Cowboy Brother.. Narratives.. Many in the media declared "Dak Prescott will never be ....." before he ever threw his first NFL pass. Every game he wins, every degree of improvement he displays no matter how small makes them look bad. Unfortunately a lot of so called Cowboys fans are dug in on THEIR pronouncements regarding Dak as well so they are constantly trying to make themselves feel smarter by crapping on him daily. Still my all time favorite was the guy who declared "This offense is going to take off now that it will have a real QB under center" after Dak got hurt in 2020. Of course he could have meant that the offense was going to go on vacation, which is exactly what it did, but that didn't seem like that was what he was saying at the time.
 

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I have dismissed the word "elite" out of my vocabulary.
Dak is standing on the hill top of dismissing all the doubters, he has a chance to silence everyone that ever doubted him.
That hill top has a downward side as well, and if he faulters Dak will fall right back into to the pit of endless doubt and criticism.
This weekend is Daks chance to advance his standing and dismiss the doubters, its Daks pinnacle career moment at this point.
This is where we will always part ways. Because I don't think there is anything Dak can do to silence some of those people. If we win the Super Bowl and he puts up 350 yards and 4 TDs in the game they will find a way to credit someone else for the win. I have long since accepted this reality. But I do agree.. this game is a great opportunity for Dak and this team to take that next step. I can hardly wait!!
 

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I think it’s just a word, teams win championships. We all know this. If he gets the elite status, it will because the team is elite.
 

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I'm going to make it simple. NOT EVERY QB THAT HAS WON A SUPER BOWL IS ELITE. BUT EVERY QB THAT'S ELITE HAS WON A SUPER BOWL.

All those QBs you mentioned were carried by good defenses or great running game.

That's not necessarily accurate either....

Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkenton, Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, Dan Fouts, Steve McNair, maybe even Mike Vick and a couple of others were elite quarterbacks who NEVER won a Superbowl.

Being elite increases your chances, but doesn't guarantee you a superbowl win.
 

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He just need to be consistent. He has elite skills he just has not yet consistently drawn upon them. You cannot flail an entire game and be considered elite “Washington”.

Elite to me is that QB that you know can pick a team up and carry them to a win when all seems lost. That is not Dak, yet.
 
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