Is this the game Prescott emerges to more Elite category?

[Diehardblues]

Seriously now the Dak fanboys have something to talk about. Dak is elite because he played one great game.

Actually Dak is a bad NFL QB. And he is not because of one bad game. He is because of evaluating his whole NFL career. One great game does not change that.

In deed he had a great game. But a great game for a bad NFL QB. If he were considered to be a good one this would have been another day at the office. Nothing special just an average outing you would expect your QB can give you even on a bad day.

So please i know how feelings work and i can only imagine how it has to be to be in love with a player. But Dak is nowhere near even average. Let him give us such kind of performances in every game for another year and you can put him in the upper tier of average NFL QBs.

If we’d had more success in the playoffs wouldn’t his stats and performance in his career been enough for a more elevated status?

 

[mardwin]

I love the target!

But Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson and others were not elite

Nobody saying they were. Those two were carried by elite defenses.

 

[john van brocklin]

Could he become the first QB since the 90’s to lead Cowboys to a championship game appearance?

And will he be the difference in finally knocking down that wall?

This is a great opportunity for him to get the monkey not only off his back but the entire franchise .

Can he take us where many have felt we’d probably not go again this era under Jethro?

If he can and if he continues playing his best ball on the biggest stages then he’s likely to vault more into the Elite category so many have denied him without more postseason success.

My issue with Dak has been consistentcy.
He played lights out against Tampa, but had that stinker the week before against the skins for example.
I know even the great ones have bad games, but Dak is so up and down.
If he could even out his performances, it would be outstanding.

 

[Ken]

Seriously now the Dak fanboys have something to talk about. Dak is elite because he played one great game.

Actually Dak is a bad NFL QB. And he is not because of one bad game. He is because of evaluating his whole NFL career. One great game does not change that.

In deed he had a great game. But a great game for a bad NFL QB. If he were considered to be a good one this would have been another day at the office. Nothing special just an average outing you would expect your QB can give you even on a bad day.

So please i know how feelings work and i can only imagine how it has to be to be in love with a player. But Dak is nowhere near even average. Let him give us such kind of performances in every game for another year and you can put him in the upper tier of average NFL QBs.

Lol...he is "bad" and "nowhere near average".

You sir are delusional.

 

[Diehardblues]

My issue with Dak has been consistentcy.
He played lights out against Tampa, but had that stinker the week before against the skins for example.
I know even the great ones have bad games, but Dak is so up and down.
If he could even out his performances, it would be outstanding.

I’m playing devils advocate here in this thread. I always thought the lack of playoff success was the biggest issue.

And why I’m asking if he finally leads us further than this franchise has gone since the 90’s, doesn’t that elevate his status?

 

[Ken]

My issue with Dak has been consistentcy.
He played lights out against Tampa, but had that stinker the week before against the skins for example.
I know even the great ones have bad games, but Dak is so up and down.
If he could even out his performances, it would be outstanding.

As you said...every qb has bad games, usually it is around everyone else playing bad too.

Forget the Washington game....it is an outlier. Very much like the first game this year vs the Bucs was....it had more to do with starting a PS player at wr and a rookie LT and never played before LG than anything else.

See Dak's performance this past game and last year's first game for proof of that.

 

[john van brocklin]

I’m playing devils advocate here in this thread. I always thought the lack of playoff success was the biggest issue.

And why I’m asking if he finally leads us further than this franchise has gone since the 90’s, doesn’t that elevate his status?

I am sure it would help, but its the stinkers during the regular seasons that aggravates a lot of us.

 

[Rockport]

You sir have . . . but Dak game in and game out . . .not so much

He had a rough couple of games this year but overall, he’s been consistent throughout his career.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I see you saying the Cowboys would win 8 games this year and calling me crazy for saying at least 12.

I remember....

You lost a bet to me.

Say I'm lying.

 

[TwentyOne]

If we’d had more success in the playoffs wouldn’t his stats and performance in his career been enough for a more elevated status?

I know how the media works. And the NFL. Having success in the playoffs does a lot for a payers status. Winning the SB usually is the knightly accolade for a QB (well there are exceptions like Foles who won the SB with the Eagles).

For me it does not work like that. I try to evaluate a player more over a bigger timespan and what i see from him. And i myself come to the conclusion that he is a bad NFL QB during the course of his career which mainly consists of regular season games.

Of course in playoff games more is at stake. And if a player constantly is able to up his game in those situations that has to be a plus for him.

In Prescotts case he is very inconsitent and has more average and really bad games than good ones. In games that are considered more important than others the game usually seems too big for him. Good games like against TB are a rare commodity for him.

And TB played a pass defense that supported Daks passing game. Why they did that heaven knows. I am very interessted in the 49er games and see how they will set up their backfield against him.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Seriously now the Dak fanboys have something to talk about. Dak is elite because he played one great game.

Actually Dak is a bad NFL QB. And he is not because of one bad game. He is because of evaluating his whole NFL career. One great game does not change that.

In deed he had a great game. But a great game for a bad NFL QB. If he were considered to be a good one this would have been another day at the office. Nothing special just an average outing you would expect your QB can give you even on a bad day.

So please i know how feelings work and i can only imagine how it has to be to be in love with a player. But Dak is nowhere near even average. Let him give us such kind of performances in every game for another year and you can put him in the upper tier of average NFL QBs.

Ryan Fitzpatrick had great games to and nobody was asking if he was "elite" after them.

 

[Ken]

You lost a bet to me.

Say I'm lying.

Not sure how many times I have to repeat this but...

The injury clause of missing 4 or more games (that you introduced) kicked it bc Dak missed 5 games.

Therefore, yes, you are lying. I didn't lose the bet, it was null and void.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Not sure how many times I have to repeat this but...

The injury clause of missing 4 or more games (that you introduced) kicked it bc Dak missed 5 games.

Therefore, yes, you are lying. I didn't lose the bet, it was null and void.

You lost the bet.

Mahomes is the MVP and Dak led the NFL in INTS while missing 5 games.

 

[Ken]

You lost the bet.

Mahomes is the MVP and Dak led the NFL in INTS while missing 5 games.

I "would have" lost the bet if it wasn't null and void.

You made the rule, I didn't.

In other words....you lost muhahahahaha

 

[DFWJC]

Nobody saying they were. Those two were carried by elite defenses.

I agree

Just saying
Super Bowl does not equal elite for an individual player.
Not does it mean a player is not elite just b/c he didn't win a SB

 

[BigBlacKahuna]

I knew if he played well against the 8-9 Bucs some of ya'll would just forget everything from the past 7 years.

I called that from a mile a away.

Whatever bruh.....

 

[RonnieT24]

I am sure it would help, but its the stinkers during the regular seasons that aggravates a lot of us.

But every QB has stinkers.. Every QB throws INTs.. Every QB misses open receivers.. Since I don't expect any player to be flawless every week the occasional stinker game doesn't bother me as much as it seems to bother others. Over the course of his career Dak has had more good games than bad. That's pretty much all any of us can hope for. The ratio of good games to bad games should continue trending higher every year. If we define a good game as a passer rating over 95, a great game as above 110, an "okay game" as between 80 and 95 and anything below 80 as a bad game and anything below 60 to be "what the hell is going on here?" here is how Dak would break down the last few seasons:


2022 - 4 games above 110, 2 games between 95 - 110, 2 games between 80 - 95, 2 games between 60 - 80 and two WTH games. So that's 4 games on fire, 2 pretty good games, 2 relatively neutral games and 4 negatives.
2021 - 6 games above 110, 5 games between 95-110, 1 game between 80-95 and 2 games between 60-80 and two WTH game.

So this year his stinker rate went up a tick from one out of four to one out of three. Obviously that's heavily tied to the INTs which he had never thrown at a high rate until this year. But we already know that easily a third of his INTs hit his receivers in the hands and got bounced to the defense. So you have to understand that when evaluating Dak's play. If you refuse to do so then you reveal your agenda. Dak could not have thrown those balls any better but the end result clobbers his rating. But the bottom line is 10 phenomenal games and a total of 17 good to great games over the past two seasons out of 28 starts tells me the dude is good at his job. No matter how you slice it that is NOT a bad QB. Those numbers render that narrative patently false. You can feel free to rank Dak wherever you want among the good QBs in the league but any attempt to claim he not at least GOOD is just flappin yer gums. You don't win 70% of your games over the past two seasons being a bad QB.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I like Dak. But he won't be elite in my mind until he's ALOT better in the red zone and two minute drill. We do not need a effffing 14 play drive when there is 2:00 left on the clock.

What percentage does Dak and the offense have in scoring TDs in the redzone and where does it rank against other teams?

 

[Diehardblues]

I know how the media works. And the NFL. Having success in the playoffs does a lot for a payers status. Winning the SB usually is the knightly accolade for a QB (well there are exceptions like Foles who won the SB with the Eagles).

For me it does not work like that. I try to evaluate a player more over a bigger timespan and what i see from him. And i myself come to the conclusion that he is a bad NFL QB during the course of his career which mainly consists of regular season games.

Of course in playoff games more is at stake. And if a player constantly is able to up his game in those situations that has to be a plus for him.

In Prescotts case he is very inconsitent and has more average and really bad games than good ones. In games that are considered more important than others the game usually seems too big for him. Good games like against TB are a rare commodity for him.

And TB played a pass defense that supported Daks passing game. Why they did that heaven knows. I am very interessted in the 49er games and see how they will set up their backfield against him.

Even the most hardened critics place Prescott more in the middle of the pack somewhere between 10-15th caliber ranking . His yearly stats would place him average to above average .

But your personal analysis tells you he’s “ bad” . Which is a very subjective description. Are you able to provide a more precise type ranking ?

 

[Diehardblues]

I am sure it would help, but its the stinkers during the regular seasons that aggravates a lot of us.

Understood but isn’t playoff success the ultimate culmination of what the regular season presents.

If the Cowboys have more success in the playoffs this era than any other QB isn’t that going to elevate his status?