It Appears Like There Will Be No Trade Partner

[Alexander]

The other option is that the team doesn't share the fans views of his abilities. I know that sounds too wild to be considered since the fans are always 100% right about a player. I mean, just look at Bradie James.

Bradie James was never characterized as "finesse" and soft by the Owner. Nor did he get disparaging nicknames from teammates. Carpenter is a rare case where we can get more of taste of the team's distain. I think it is genuine and not a case where fans just decide they don't like the player.

 

[Hostile]

Bradie James was never characterized as "finesse" and soft by the Owner. Nor did he get disparaging nicknames from teammates. Carpenter is a rare case where we can get more of taste of the team's distain. I think it is genuine and not a case where fans just decide they don't like the player.

You make a decent point but I still think 90% of this is fan driven dislike for whatever reason.

 

[TNCowboy]

Bradie James was never characterized as "finesse" and soft by the Owner. Nor did he get disparaging nicknames from teammates. Carpenter is a rare case where we can get more of taste of the team's distain. I think it is genuine and not a case where fans just decide they don't like the player.

No, but didn't Parcells say something to the effect that at one point, James couldn't bench press a box of Kleenex as a rookie?

 

[Alexander]

No, but didn't Parcells say something to the effect that at one point, James couldn't bench press a box of Kleenex as a rookie?

I don't recall that. But even Phillips said he felt James couldn't play initially.

Put it this way, what positive glowing comments have come from Phillips? He's not bashful about handing out the superlatives but it is pretty rare Carpenter gets more than Phillips mumbling out the side of his mouth about him doing "okay".

 

[Idgit]

Dude seriously, when it comes to salaries/salary cap information I will go with Adam over the mediots every time.

I do, too, but this came directly from Jerry at his press conference yesterday, fwiw.

 

[Idgit]

I don't recall that. But even Phillips said he felt James couldn't play initially.

Put it this way, what positive glowing comments have come from Phillips? He's not bashful about handing out the superlatives but it is pretty rare Carpenter gets more than Phillips mumbling out the side of his mouth about him doing "okay".

Phillips has said publicly that perhaps his initial evaluation of Carpenter was wrong. And they did let Burnett walk this offseason with a relatively small contract. And we did reportedly balk at throwing Carpenter in on the Fasano trade last offseason.

If your name's 'Bobbie' and you have long blond hair and play on a football team, you're going to get called 'Barbie.' I'm not sure too much can be read into that.

The reality probably is that the team has questions about him but understands that he's capable of playing in the league in his current projected capacity. It doesn't matter what the fans think about the player generally since fans don't really have educated opinions anyway.

 

[jobberone]

All you have to is watch Carpenter play. He's soft. His STs play is awful at times. He does have speed, enough instincts to tease, and a #1 status. He could be a nickel LB until teams find out how to expose him. I have no confidence in the guy. I hope I'm terribly wrong.

 

[Doomsay]

Although Ellis was a whiner and disliked by the fans he was consistently productive at a key position and seemed to be held in high regard by his teammates. Calling a consistent 8 sack front 7 player a backup is disingenuous. Carpenter on the other hand, has been the butt of jokes by teammates and fans alike, for good reason. He has not been productive on defense and is a average ST player at best, but worships the media spot lite more than most players on the team.

Yet we release Ellis and keep Barbie, go figure.

 

[Idgit]

Although Ellis was a whiner and disliked by the fans he was consistently productive at a key position and seemed to be held in high regard by his teammates. Calling a consistent 8 sack front 7 player a backup is disingenuous. Carpenter on the other hand, has been the butt of jokes by teammates and fans alike, for good reason. He has not been productive on defense and is a average ST player at best, but worships the media spot lite more than most players on the team.

Yet we release Ellis and keep Barbie, go figure.

It's weird. It's like fan perception means nothing at all in these matters.

 

[Doomsay]

It's weird. It's like fan perception means nothing at all in these matters.

Or like thinking fan perception isn't closer to reality (and fellow player perception) than some of management's decisions seem to be (keeping Roy 38 last year and Barbie for the past few years while sacking Ellis).

 

[jobberone]

Although Ellis was a whiner and disliked by the fans he was consistently productive at a key position and seemed to be held in high regard by his teammates. Calling a consistent 8 sack front 7 player a backup is disingenuous. Carpenter on the other hand, has been the butt of jokes by teammates and fans alike, for good reason. He has not been productive on defense and is a average ST player at best, but worships the media spot lite more than most players on the team.

Yet we release Ellis and keep Barbie, go figure.

If they think Butler and Williams can develop and be STs players for 2-3 years then I can understand why they let Ellis go. And with Ellis' history, it's likely he started the what's my role stuff. It surprises me some but I understand it.

OTOH, we are short at the nickel LB spot. If Carpenter doesn't play his role well then he'll go the same way as Ellis even if he's a lot younger. But he'll get his chance. He better hope Hodge isn't ready for primetime.

 

[Randy White]

Dude seriously, when it comes to salaries/salary cap information I will go with Adam over the mediots every time.

I understand.

Mickey Spagnola just repeated what I said yesterday. It's guaranteed salary. He will get that 1.5 millions either from the Cowboys alone, or the Cowboys and another team he signs with, depending how much he signs for. Either way, he's getting it. It's just a matter of how much the Cowboys will have to pay.

 

[TNCowboy]

Although Ellis was a whiner and disliked by the fans he was consistently productive at a key position and seemed to be held in high regard by his teammates. Calling a consistent 8 sack front 7 player a backup is disingenuous. Carpenter on the other hand, has been the butt of jokes by teammates and fans alike, for good reason. He has not been productive on defense and is a average ST player at best, but worships the media spot lite more than most players on the team.

Yet we release Ellis and keep Barbie, go figure.

The Cowboys are releasing and keeping players because of fan perception?

Ellis has no one to blame but himself for the public's perception of him.

Ellis will be 34 when the season starts. He's reduced to being a part-time player. He stiff as a board and has no hope of covering even the slowest RB or TE. He managed 8 sacks last year, but that doesn't change that he's a backup now, being pretty much limited to a situational player. He's supposed to make ~$5M this year, and is probably unwilling to take a pay cut. On top of all of that, he's a negative guy that even his supporters have called a worrier, who has repeatedly whined about his role and his $$$. That's not the guy you keep around for veteran leadership.

Other than Columbo's joke, has Carpenter been the butt of jokes? Honestly, I don't know. I think many of us have the perception as such because he's on TV and radio a lot, was in an awful music video, and hasn't lived up to his draft status.

I don't think that Carpenter worships the media spotlight, as much as he knows his days in the NFL are very limited, at best, and that he's trying to prepare for his next career. Which it looks like will come sooner rather than later.

 

[Idgit]

The Cowboys are releasing and keeping players because of fan perception?

Ellis has no one to blame but himself for the public's perception of him.

Ellis will be 34 when the season starts. He's reduced to being a part-time player. He stiff as a board and has no hope of covering even the slowest RB or TE. He managed 8 sacks last year, but that doesn't change that he's a backup now, being pretty much limited to a situational player. He's supposed to make ~$5M this year, and is probably unwilling to take a pay cut. On top of all of that, he's a negative guy that even his supporters have called a worrier, who has repeatedly whined about his role and his $$$. That's not the guy you keep around for veteran leadership.

Other than Columbo's joke, has Carpenter been the butt of jokes? Honestly, I don't know. I think many of us have the perception as such because he's on TV and radio a lot, was in an awful music video, and hasn't lived up to his draft status.

I don't think that Carpenter worships the media spotlight, as much as he knows his days in the NFL are very limited, at best, and that he's trying to prepare for his next career. Which it looks like will come sooner rather than later.

I disagree on Ellis, who I think would still be a capable starter should anything happen to Spencer, or god forbid, Ware. But I do understand the reasons why he's being let go/dangled.

For the life of me, I don't understand the stupid reaction to Bobby Carpenter doing interviews. I get being disappointed that he's been a bust as a first round pick, but the fact that the guy takes time to talk about the team to the media is a major plus for me. He's bright, and he doesn't *****-foot around. I chalk it up to our generally thoughtless bandwagon of entitled football groupies and try to just ignore it, but if I were Carpenter, it'd really tick me off.

 

[TheSkaven]

Exactly, and we don't need the distraction of his disfavor with the role he plays.

Weigh that against the idea of him signing with a division rival. I'd feel much better if we trade him to the AFC, even if it's for a conditional 7th.

 

[Alexander]

The reality probably is that the team has questions about him but understands that he's capable of playing in the league in his current projected capacity. It doesn't matter what the fans think about the player generally since fans don't really have educated opinions anyway.

The reality is also that he's not capable but does enough on special teams to get by given the fact we spent a first round draft choice on him. Each year since his rookie season, we keep hearing about special plans for him, Phillips speaks kindly of him for a few weeks and states what he has to "prove", he looks mediocre at best in preseason and then he's never heard from again.

Teams do hang onto players that sometimes simply are busts. It happens all the time and it is often economically driven.

The great thing about this past draft is that we took special teams players and linebackers who will either make him obsolete or force him to step up.

 

[BAT]

Phillips has said publicly that perhaps his initial evaluation of Carpenter was wrong. And they did let Burnett walk this offseason with a relatively small contract. And we did reportedly balk at throwing Carpenter in on the Fasano trade last offseason.

If your name's 'Bobbie' and you have long blond hair and play on a football team, you're going to get called 'Barbie.' I'm not sure too much can be read into that.

The reality probably is that the team has questions about him but understands that he's capable of playing in the league in his current projected capacity. It doesn't matter what the fans think about the player generally since fans don't really have educated opinions anyway.

So guys w/long blond hair named Bobby are automatically going to be nicknamed "Barbie"? Not if they played like "Thor".


Carpenter plays like "Barbie", hence the nickname. If he played more physical, vocal and w/ferocity, no way anyone gives him the Barbie nick.


There have been a LOT of long haired blonde guys in the NFL and college, have you heard of any of them nicknamed Barbie?

 

[speedkilz88]

I understand.

Mickey Spagnola just repeated what I said yesterday. It's guaranteed salary. He will get that 1.5 millions either from the Cowboys alone, or the Cowboys and another team he signs with, depending how much he signs for. Either way, he's getting it. It's just a matter of how much the Cowboys will have to pay.

I didn't know that Jerry actually discussed the situation at his pc at the time. But the fact that whatever salary he receives from another team is subtracted from the 1.5 million, it really shouldn't be much even in the worse case scenario.

 

[Doomsay]

The Cowboys are releasing and keeping players because of fan perception?

Ellis has no one to blame but himself for the public's perception of him.

Ellis will be 34 when the season starts. He's reduced to being a part-time player. He stiff as a board and has no hope of covering even the slowest RB or TE. He managed 8 sacks last year, but that doesn't change that he's a backup now, being pretty much limited to a situational player. He's supposed to make ~$5M this year, and is probably unwilling to take a pay cut. On top of all of that, he's a negative guy that even his supporters have called a worrier, who has repeatedly whined about his role and his $$$. That's not the guy you keep around for veteran leadership.

Other than Columbo's joke, has Carpenter been the butt of jokes? Honestly, I don't know. I think many of us have the perception as such because he's on TV and radio a lot, was in an awful music video, and hasn't lived up to his draft status.

I don't think that Carpenter worships the media spotlight, as much as he knows his days in the NFL are very limited, at best, and that he's trying to prepare for his next career. Which it looks like will come sooner rather than later.

Didn't say or imply that Ellis was being released because of fan perception.
Ellis is far more than a relegated part-time player. He has averaged a sack every other game for years and consistently delivers complementary pressure from the opposite side of Ware. If Ellis were on the team this season, he still be starting in front of Spencer in passing downs, because he is a better pressure player. He plays hard and effectively and his complaints never involve other teammates (except in the context of Ellis being replaced by them), every lineman has said that Ellis has been a good and dedicated mentor, even if they were perceived to be a threat to his playing time.

Carpenter isn't worth discussing anymore, he is a joke of a player that hasn't earned the respect of anybody, fans or teammates.

PS, just watched Ellis help keep the team in that '06 Philly game on NFL network - yah know, forced fumble for a TD. Don't recall too many Bobby C highlights over the past 3 years.....

 

[Idgit]

So guys w/long blond hair named Bobby are automatically going to be nicknamed "Barbie"? Not if they played like "Thor".

Carpenter plays like "Barbie", hence the nickname. If he played more physical, vocal and w/ferocity, no way anyone gives him the Barbie nick.

There have been a LOT of long haired blonde guys in the NFL and college, have you heard of any of them nicknamed Barbie?

Have you been in a locker room at any level? Whatever you've got that makes you a target gets targeted. Long hair is the easiest one. Even easier than a play on words involving your name.

He can be built like Tarzan and play like Thor, but if his last name is Mellencamp, he'd be called Menstrualcramp in the locker room, guaranteed.