News: It is official! Zeke suspended 6 games **merged**

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Plankton

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He said he strongly disagrees with the conclusion, and his agent already took care of saying he's innocent earlier.

If it's me writing a post in my words, and I'm falsely accused and punished for something, I'm making it abundantly clear that I am innocent of what I am being accused and punished for, and I will fight with all of my being to clear my name.

Reading what Zeke posted doesn't jive with what someone who is being screwed over should write.
 

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If it's me writing a post in my words, and I'm falsely accused and punished for something, I'm making it abundantly clear that I am innocent of what I am being accused and punished for, and I will fight with all of my being to clear my name.

Reading what Zeke posted doesn't jive with what someone who is being screwed over should write.

It looks like he posted something in the least controversial way possible - he disagrees with the front office, and he's working on himself. Again, his agent already said the controversial side earlier that the league got it wrong, cherry picked, and how they will most likely appeal this and take it to court.

You don't think Zeke and his agent spoke before that?
 

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It's all good. I am a football nerd and reading sports court rulings is a hobby of mine. SCOTUS writes so the lay man has an easier time reading it. Way back in Brown vs NFL was the groundwork for the injunction set and that was over 50 years ago.

I expect they will appeal in the coming weeks and then file in federal court right after the NFL decides against Zeke. There is an outside chance it gets reduced and Zeke just eats the reduced sentence but I doubt it for reasons from both parties.

Once that happens, he will play the season as court isn't going to see the case much less conclude it in 6 months. I have no idea what they would decide but I am confident that Elliott has that course of action if he chooses to do so.

The NFL's case reads like what a prosecutor presents to the grand jury when they want to railroad someone in. From their statements they did not even consider anything contrary to Zeke's guilt. It was done by lawyers and that cannot be lost on them. This stinks of a PR move that they won't care if they are overruled.

Meanwhile USA Today and other editorials are praising them for this action which is what their goal really was.
Wow--- all of this railroad stuff infuriates me...the next CBA we must demand no suspensions can be given out without credible evidence...and...the guy who judges cant be the guy who hears the appeal...that is so stupid
 

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Can Elliott pay somebody to END giixel

This is ALL their fault. They gave power AWAY to gim and him alone
i heard we gave it away so we could hurry and settle so the players could get paid...i think that is not right...the players should get paid while in the middle of strikes....or something that is equitable....the owners and NFL have way too much power...plus the stats that over 90% of retired players have brain issues later is horrible..the players lose much of the quality of life for this game
 

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I think you mistake case law and news headlines. It's becoming more and more clear you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm the one actually looking at what the ruling says and you are regurgitating news headlines.

But this should be fun: please show me where the federal court stated Goodell was "judge, jury, and executioner."

You are kidding, right? Because if you actually read the opinion you would have seen the Court BEGAN by noting the following (particularly the language in bold):

"The basic principle driving both our analysis and our conclusion is well established: a federal court’s review of labor arbitration awards is narrowly circumscribed and highy deferential—indeed, among the most deferential in the law. Our role is not to determine for ourselves whether Brady participated in a scheme to deflate footballs or whether the suspension imposed by the Commissioner should have been for three games or five games or none at all. Nor is it our role to second guess the arbitrator’s procedural rulings. Our obligation is limited to determining whether the arbitration proceedings and award met the minimum legal standards established by the Labor Management Relations Act, 29 U.S.C. § 141 et seq. (the “LMRA”). We must simply ensure that the arbitrator was “even arguably construing or applying the contract and acting within the scope of his authority” and did not “ignore the plain language of the contract.” United Paperworks Int’l Union v. Misco, Inc., 484 U.S. 29, 38 (1987). These standards do not require perfection in arbitration awards. Rather, they dictate that even if an arbitrator makes mistakes of fact or law, we may not disturb an award so long as he acted within the bounds of his bargained for authority. Here, that authority was especially broad. The Commissioner was authorized to impose discipline for, among other things, “conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence, in the game of professional football.” In their collective bargaining agreement, the players and the League mutually decided many years ago that the Commissioner should investigate possible rule violations, should impose appropriate sanctions, and may preside at arbitrations challenging his discipline. Although this tripartite regime may appear somewhat unorthodox, it is the regime bargained for and agreed upon by the parties, which we can only presume they determined was mutually satisfactory. Given this substantial deference, we conclude that this case is not an exceptional one that warrants vacatur. Our review of the record yields the firm conclusion that the Commissioner properly exercised his broad discretion to resolve an intramural controversy between the League and a player. Accordingly, we REVERSE the judgment of the district court and REMAND with instructions to confirm the award."

So disagree with me, fine. I think you are wrong. But don't question the reasonableness of my opinion, which is informed by and based upon decades in the field.
 

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Uh...

Erm...

When you state that you strongly disagree with the findings that is stating that I didn't do what I was accused of.




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The two things are not necessarily the same.

And you're the same guy who said that you would go scorched earth if you were wrongly accused, and you don't think this statement is lacking? Seriously?
 

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If it's me writing a post in my words, and I'm falsely accused and punished for something, I'm making it abundantly clear that I am innocent of what I am being accused and punished for, and I will fight with all of my being to clear my name.

Reading what Zeke posted doesn't jive with what someone who is being screwed over should write.

This is where people get ridiculous and clearly don't understand how this stuff works.

There is no reason whatsoever for Elliott to write a fire and brimstone level rebuttal. Any PR expert or legal representative would advise against that. Because in the end, it does you no good.

Elliott did exactly what he should have done.
 

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It looks like he posted something in the least controversial way possible - he disagrees with the front office, and he's working on himself. Again, his agent already said the controversial side earlier that the league got it wrong, cherry picked, and how they will most likely appeal this and take it to court.

You don't think Zeke and his agent spoke before that?

I'm sure that he did speak with his agent. I just am surprised that someone who would feel that they were wronged would issue such a passive statement. Doesn't make sense to me.
 

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This is where people get ridiculous and clearly don't understand how this stuff works.

There is no reason whatsoever for Elliott to write a fire and brimstone level rebuttal. Any PR expert or legal representative would advise against that. Because in the end, it does you no good.

Elliott did exactly what he should have done.

I completely disagree. To me, the first thing that he should say is that he's innocent and never laid a hand on this woman.

And I understand completely how this works. It's not ridiculous at all to expect an innocent person to say just that - in clear, unmistakeable language.
 

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I'm sure that he did speak with his agent. I just am surprised that someone who would feel that they were wronged would issue such a passive statement. Doesn't make sense to me.

It's not surprising at all.
 

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The line from the NFL letter to Zeke that is concerning includes:

"..no further adverse involvement with law enforcement" with threat of "banishment from the NFL."
 

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You are kidding, right? Because if you actually read the opinion you would have seen the Court BEGAN by noting the following (particularly the language in bold):

"The basic principle driving both our analysis and our conclusion is well established: a federal court’s review of labor arbitration awards is narrowly circumscribed and highy deferential—indeed, among the most deferential in the law. Our role is not to determine for ourselves whether Brady participated in a scheme to deflate footballs or whether the suspension imposed by the Commissioner should have been for three games or five games or none at all. Nor is it our role to second guess the arbitrator’s procedural rulings. Our obligation is limited to determining whether the arbitration proceedings and award met the minimum legal standards established by the Labor Management Relations Act, 29 U.S.C. § 141 et seq. (the “LMRA”). We must simply ensure that the arbitrator was “even arguably construing or applying the contract and acting within the scope of his authority” and did not “ignore the plain language of the contract.” United Paperworks Int’l Union v. Misco, Inc., 484 U.S. 29, 38 (1987). These standards do not require perfection in arbitration awards. Rather, they dictate that even if an arbitrator makes mistakes of fact or law, we may not disturb an award so long as he acted within the bounds of his bargained for authority. Here, that authority was especially broad. The Commissioner was authorized to impose discipline for, among other things, “conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence, in the game of professional football.” In their collective bargaining agreement, the players and the League mutually decided many years ago that the Commissioner should investigate possible rule violations, should impose appropriate sanctions, and may preside at arbitrations challenging his discipline. Although this tripartite regime may appear somewhat unorthodox, it is the regime bargained for and agreed upon by the parties, which we can only presume they determined was mutually satisfactory. Given this substantial deference, we conclude that this case is not an exceptional one that warrants vacatur. Our review of the record yields the firm conclusion that the Commissioner properly exercised his broad discretion to resolve an intramural controversy between the League and a player. Accordingly, we REVERSE the judgment of the district court and REMAND with instructions to

confirm the award."

So disagree with me, fine. I think you are wrong. But don't question the reasonableness of my opinion, which is informed by and based upon decades in the field.

Dang Beacamdim---- it seems we have no wiggle room to almost anything the commissioner chooses for punishment?....it is so broad...( the language )...how and why would the CBA agree to this??????..do you know by any chance?
 

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The line from the NFL letter to Zeke that is concerning includes:

"..no further adverse involvement with law enforcement" with threat of "banishment from the NFL."

That's boilerplate for anyone that is disciplined and suspended. It's like being written up and disciplined at your job, and getting a letter saying that further incidents can lead to additional discipline up to and including termination.
 

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This will never go to court. Elliott doesn't have the stature or power of Brady. It will get knocked back to max 4 games and that will be that. The NFL presently holds all the trump cards. Elliott needs to be very aware of his position.

Stature has nothing to do with it. All it takes is for Elliott to decide to do so. His attorney will file and we will wait until the off season of 2018 for the hearing.
 

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So Zeke's attorneys actually responded to the league office's question regarding her bruises with "maybe she fell down the stairs" and "she's a waitress, so maybe she bumped into some tables."

Did 10-year-olds prepare them for this meeting?
 

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I completely disagree. To me, the first thing that he should say is that he's innocent and never laid a hand on this woman.

And I understand completely how this works. It's not ridiculous at all to expect an innocent person to say just that - in clear, unmistakeable language.

He said that when he said he was disappointed and shocked by the finding of the league.

Elliott has a competent agent and competent legal team. They know what they are doing, more so than internet posters.
 

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Stature has nothing to do with it. All it takes is for Elliott to decide to do so. His attorney will file and we will wait until the off season of 2018 for the hearing.

This might not work. Brady's case already established precedent that Goodell has the authority to suspend on conduct detrimental to the league. Brady won, but the arbitration hearing reversed it back in the NFL's favor.

With that precedent, they might not hear the case.
 

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Maybe I'm naive, but even if Zeke wins his appeal or wins in court, I think this could scare him straight. At least I hope so....

I hope so too. I want him to get his life straightened out. I'd like to say that's more important than having a successful season with the Cowboys, but they're both extremely important to me!

Honestly, this decision puts his entire NFL career at risk of banishment, not to mention EVERY NFL player who is now the target of frivolous accusations that may or may not be true. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
 
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