News: It is official! Zeke suspended 6 games **merged**

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Thats a big part of why he has been suspended...l am saddened to say.
haleyrules--- You know as i consider all that is going on with Zekes suspension and the factors involved...I am torn between...Zeke needs to grow up and be more responsible and the railroading that is also going on?....actually this issue is more complicated than any one side might argue
 
That's boilerplate for anyone that is disciplined and suspended. It's like being written up and disciplined at your job, and getting a letter saying that further incidents can lead to additional discipline up to and including termination.
Do you think Zeke will straighten up his act now? Or is this just the beginning of his suspensions?
 
So Zeke's attorneys actually responded to the league office's question regarding her bruises with "maybe she fell down the stairs" and "she's a waitress, so maybe she bumped into some tables."

Did 10-year-olds prepare them for this meeting?

An overblown issue. His statement has been twisted and warped. He was basically saying there are a plethora of reasons for her having bruises.
 
Dang Beacamdim---- it seems we have no wiggle room to almost anything the commissioner chooses for punishment?....it is so broad...( the language )...how and why would the CBA agree to this??????..do you know by any chance?

Because the NFLPA is the absolute WORST of all the major sports.

Forget about the discipline power they gave the commissioner -- to me it is malpractice that the NFL is the only professional sports league where contracts are not guaranteed, and the teams can just cut a player and owe him nothing more. Unbelievable.
 
You are kidding, right? Because if you actually read the opinion you would have seen the Court BEGAN by noting the following (particularly the language in bold):

"The basic principle driving both our analysis and our conclusion is well established: a federal court’s review of labor arbitration awards is narrowly circumscribed and highy deferential—indeed, among the most deferential in the law. Our role is not to determine for ourselves whether Brady participated in a scheme to deflate footballs or whether the suspension imposed by the Commissioner should have been for three games or five games or none at all. Nor is it our role to second guess the arbitrator’s procedural rulings. Our obligation is limited to determining whether the arbitration proceedings and award met the minimum legal standards established by the Labor Management Relations Act, 29 U.S.C. § 141 et seq. (the “LMRA”). We must simply ensure that the arbitrator was “even arguably construing or applying the contract and acting within the scope of his authority” and did not “ignore the plain language of the contract.” United Paperworks Int’l Union v. Misco, Inc., 484 U.S. 29, 38 (1987). These standards do not require perfection in arbitration awards. Rather, they dictate that even if an arbitrator makes mistakes of fact or law, we may not disturb an award so long as he acted within the bounds of his bargained for authority. Here, that authority was especially broad. The Commissioner was authorized to impose discipline for, among other things, “conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence, in the game of professional football.” In their collective bargaining agreement, the players and the League mutually decided many years ago that the Commissioner should investigate possible rule violations, should impose appropriate sanctions, and may preside at arbitrations challenging his discipline. Although this tripartite regime may appear somewhat unorthodox, it is the regime bargained for and agreed upon by the parties, which we can only presume they determined was mutually satisfactory. Given this substantial deference, we conclude that this case is not an exceptional one that warrants vacatur. Our review of the record yields the firm conclusion that the Commissioner properly exercised his broad discretion to resolve an intramural controversy between the League and a player. Accordingly, we REVERSE the judgment of the district court and REMAND with instructions to confirm the award."

So disagree with me, fine. I think you are wrong. But don't question the reasonableness of my opinion, which is informed by and based upon decades in the field.

It says the conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence, in the game of professional football.

While DV is obviously something negative, it has nothing to do with the "integrity", or the "public confidence" in the game of football. Brady's case did have to do with that since it had to do with cheating and the the detrimental effect such an unfair competitive advantage has on the public confidence in the sport.

The broadness is not an overall encompassing one, inclusive of all generalities that you imply, and I would think any good lawyer can argue for this.
 
I selectively edited it for you. Furthermore, I'm concerned he'll just perpetuate a sense of invincibility if he has his suspension removed. By the way, it should be removed!! He fails to see the string of mistakes he's making as harmful.

Ultimately, those strings of "small" mistakes will lead to concrete evidence of criminal behavior in course of a few years. No need to debate what is weighty today. It is the continued pattern that is concerning and alarming.
nathanlt------ i must agree with your findings.....there is something much deeper going on with Zeke that will become even more of a problem later unless he sees his behavior as harmful for all involved
 
Because the NFLPA is the absolute WORST of all the major sports.

Forget about the discipline power they gave the commissioner -- to me it is malpractice that the NFL is the only professional sports league where contracts are not guaranteed, and the teams can just cut a player and owe him nothing more. Unbelievable.
sir---are you an attorney?
 
It says the conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence, in the game of professional football.

While DV is obviously something negative, it has nothing to do with the "integrity", or the "public confidence" in the game of football. Brady's case did have to do with that since it had to do with cheating and the the detrimental effect such an unfair competitive advantage has on the public confidence in the sport.

The broadness is not an overall encompassing one, inclusive of all generalities that you imply, and I would think any good lawyer can argue for this.
Big difference is Brady did what he was accused of ...... the balls were tampered with and he destroyed the phones AND it was a rules violation......clearly in the commish's authority

But if Brady kept fighting I believe there was a chance to prevail because others includinga Kicker only got fined for tampering with the ball and while the League requires cooperation, they can't demand your phone without a subpoena

I think EE has a great case because he was never even arrested and the exculpatory evidence seems to be ignored..... this new DV will be tested- I'm not sure it was voted on by the NFLPA as it was clearly after the CBA
 
sir---are you an attorney?

Yes, I am.

In fact, and randomly, I actually used to work with Peter Harvey, one of the four advisory committee members on the Zeke investigation, and the guy who gave the lengthy conference call today on behalf of the league. I haven't spoken with him about this. But for what it's worth he is a very decent person, and in my experience beyond reproach.
 
It says the conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence, in the game of professional football.

While DV is obviously something negative, it has nothing to do with the "integrity", or the "public confidence" in the game of football. Brady's case did have to do with that since it had to do with cheating and the the detrimental effect such an unfair competitive advantage has on the public confidence in the sport.

The broadness is not an overall encompassing one, inclusive of all generalities that you imply, and I would think any good lawyer can argue for this.

But you are missing the point. The court found that Goodell GETS TO SAY what conduct detrimental to the league means. He can't really be challenged. So no matter how good your arguments are they do not matter under the CBA.
 
But you are missing the point. The court found that Goodell GETS TO SAY what conduct detrimental to the league means. He can't really be challenged. So no matter how good your arguments are they do not matter under the CBA.

The court also said there was an issue of fundamental fairness.
 
Yes, I am.

In fact, and randomly, I actually used to work with Peter Harvey, one of the four advisory committee members on the Zeke investigation, and the guy who gave the lengthy conference call today on behalf of the league. I haven't spoken with him about this. But for what it's worth he is a very decent person, and in my experience beyond reproach.

So then you are biased for the league.
 
If I'm a NFL player, I'd wear a body cam everywhere I go and have a camera rolling whenever I'm with someone alone . NFL just gave an easy method to ruin any NFL player who may like to party a little. If I was Gronk, I go buy myself several GoPros and wear it around everywhere I go.
 
This is going to be a dadgum interesting preseason game tomorrow. Can't run from it tomorrow.
 
You are kidding, right? Because if you actually read the opinion you would have seen the Court BEGAN by noting the following (particularly the language in bold):

"The basic principle driving both our analysis and our conclusion is well established: a federal court’s review of labor arbitration awards is narrowly circumscribed and highy deferential—indeed, among the most deferential in the law. Our role is not to determine for ourselves whether Brady participated in a scheme to deflate footballs or whether the suspension imposed by the Commissioner should have been for three games or five games or none at all. Nor is it our role to second guess the arbitrator’s procedural rulings. Our obligation is limited to determining whether the arbitration proceedings and award met the minimum legal standards established by the Labor Management Relations Act, 29 U.S.C. § 141 et seq. (the “LMRA”). We must simply ensure that the arbitrator was “even arguably construing or applying the contract and acting within the scope of his authority” and did not “ignore the plain language of the contract.” United Paperworks Int’l Union v. Misco, Inc., 484 U.S. 29, 38 (1987). These standards do not require perfection in arbitration awards. Rather, they dictate that even if an arbitrator makes mistakes of fact or law, we may not disturb an award so long as he acted within the bounds of his bargained for authority. Here, that authority was especially broad. The Commissioner was authorized to impose discipline for, among other things, “conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence, in the game of professional football.” In their collective bargaining agreement, the players and the League mutually decided many years ago that the Commissioner should investigate possible rule violations, should impose appropriate sanctions, and may preside at arbitrations challenging his discipline. Although this tripartite regime may appear somewhat unorthodox, it is the regime bargained for and agreed upon by the parties, which we can only presume they determined was mutually satisfactory. Given this substantial deference, we conclude that this case is not an exceptional one that warrants vacatur. Our review of the record yields the firm conclusion that the Commissioner properly exercised his broad discretion to resolve an intramural controversy between the League and a player. Accordingly, we REVERSE the judgment of the district court and REMAND with instructions to confirm the award."

So disagree with me, fine. I think you are wrong. But don't question the reasonableness of my opinion, which is informed by and based upon decades in the field.
Based on the above, I don't see any way Zeke wins in the courts. Goodell has a wide latitude as to what constitutes conduct detrimental to the league. And since that latitude was negotiated in good faith and written into the CBA, the courts will not step in and overrule him.

Zeke has been behaving like a complete moron. But 6 games is clearly excessive. He should appeal, get it down to 3 games or so and take your medicine. Goodell didn't cause this mess. Zeke did.

Once the suspension is over, focus on playing the best you ever have. Make it up to your teammates, who are most affected by this.

And for God sakes....GROW UP!!!!!
 
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You are kidding, right? Because if you actually read the opinion you would have seen the Court BEGAN by noting the following (particularly the language in bold):

"The basic principle driving both our analysis and our conclusion is well established: a federal court’s review of labor arbitration awards is narrowly circumscribed and highy deferential—indeed, among the most deferential in the law. Our role is not to determine for ourselves whether Brady participated in a scheme to deflate footballs or whether the suspension imposed by the Commissioner should have been for three games or five games or none at all. Nor is it our role to second guess the arbitrator’s procedural rulings. Our obligation is limited to determining whether the arbitration proceedings and award met the minimum legal standards established by the Labor Management Relations Act, 29 U.S.C. § 141 et seq. (the “LMRA”). We must simply ensure that the arbitrator was “even arguably construing or applying the contract and acting within the scope of his authority” and did not “ignore the plain language of the contract.” United Paperworks Int’l Union v. Misco, Inc., 484 U.S. 29, 38 (1987). These standards do not require perfection in arbitration awards. Rather, they dictate that even if an arbitrator makes mistakes of fact or law, we may not disturb an award so long as he acted within the bounds of his bargained for authority. Here, that authority was especially broad. The Commissioner was authorized to impose discipline for, among other things, “conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence, in the game of professional football.” In their collective bargaining agreement, the players and the League mutually decided many years ago that the Commissioner should investigate possible rule violations, should impose appropriate sanctions, and may preside at arbitrations challenging his discipline. Although this tripartite regime may appear somewhat unorthodox, it is the regime bargained for and agreed upon by the parties, which we can only presume they determined was mutually satisfactory. Given this substantial deference, we conclude that this case is not an exceptional one that warrants vacatur. Our review of the record yields the firm conclusion that the Commissioner properly exercised his broad discretion to resolve an intramural controversy between the League and a player. Accordingly, we REVERSE the judgment of the district court and REMAND with instructions to confirm the award."

So disagree with me, fine. I think you are wrong. But don't question the reasonableness of my opinion, which is informed by and based upon decades in the field.

That has nothing to say about the issue of fairness which is what we were arguing. I do like how you neglected to bold the portion stating that this case was not an exceptional one which would imply that there are grounds for exception and that Goodell's rulings are not inviolate.

One obvious exception would be when fundamental fairness was not exercised. The court brought that up independently.

Try again and this time show where the issue of fairness arises out of Goodell's authority in and of itself.
 
A lot to work with here, especially with no arrest.....why wasn't EE mitigated down?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...six-game-suspension-domestic-violence-policy/

Again, missing the point. Goodell decided (rightly or wrongly) that IT DID NOT MATTER that there was no arrrest

The players association GAVE him (perhaps you think unwisely) that unilateral power.

So the court HAD NO CHOICE under the existing law but to let Goodell do what he was allowed to do.

I know it blows people's minds, but that's the reality, start or not, fair or not, wise or not.
 
But you are missing the point. The court found that Goodell GETS TO SAY what conduct detrimental to the league means. He can't really be challenged. So no matter how good your arguments are they do not matter under the CBA.
No it doesn't, not according to the language of that ruling. It says "we may not disturb an award so long as he acted within the bounds of his bargained for authority."

It is what those bounds are that are arguable and can be disputed. While the court further expanded upon the bounds by pointing out that the they were broad, it further specifically clarified such broadness - and it is to this further clarification that I responded to in my last post and pointed out the differences between Brady's case and Zeke's. They are not comparable and the language doesn't grant an overarching authority to Goodell to rule them as if they are, or give him free reign to rule them as he sees fit as if he is judge, jury, and executioner. Simply being accused of a DV charge by someone can in no way fall under the general category of "conduct detrimental to the league", let alone to the integrity of, or the public confidence in it.
 
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