News: It is official! Zeke suspended 6 games **merged**

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haleyrules

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I'm shocked and very disappointed.....but this is a Team and we still have our OL....get up, dust yourself off and onto the season with even more purpose to prove America's Team can win without Zeke for 6 games...

Go Cowboys :flagwave:

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Yep. The Patriots won without Brady and the Cowboys can certainly win without Elliott. The RB corps is still very solid.
 

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I recognize the point you are arguing, but for the record, that's not the definition of "innocent."
Even when there is a trial and one is found "not guilty," that is not the same thing as being innocent.

Personally, I don't think for a second that Zeke is innocent. I have no idea whether or not he actually did something bad enough to to meet a legal standard of domestic violence; clearly, the prosecutor's office didn't think there was enough evidence to get a guilty verdict. But no way I think he's actually innocent or didn't violate league standards.

I can't stand Roger Goddell, but in this case, he distanced himself a bit with a panel of non-NFL people who looked at all the evidence and came to the conclusion he wasn't "innocent." Goddell is responsible for the length of the suspension, but most of us feared this all along, especially based on his other behaviors since.

I've been a Cowboys fan since 1966, and I always will be, but even though I don't approve of many ways the NFL does business or treats its employees, including head injuries, veteran treatment, and even this suspension, I refuse to defend Zeke just because he's a great player for our team. Zeke has already blown any chance to be in the same sentence as Smith and Dorsett when it comes to being Cowboy RBs, but he still has a chance to right the ship and have a long, successful career as a Cowboy. At least his apology gives me hope; now he has to prove he meant the things he said.

I am curious as to why you think he's not innocent. What factual evidence is there that leads you to conclude he committed some sort of violent act?
 

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In this scenario, if your daughter was in a hospital and doctors asked her how she got the bruises and she said Daddy hit me, you would be in a lot of trouble.

Thomson accused Zeke of beating her. The investigation decided its more likely than not he did. Right or wrong, thats all the NFL needs to suspend him. They don't need beyond a reasonable doubt, as you know.

Zeke needs to focus on getting the suspenions down to 2 or 3 games and take his medicine.
If he is innocent he should fight it. If he's guilty than he should own up to it. But no way if I were innocent would I accept it. NO WAY.
 

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My only concern with Zeke's defense is that none of his defense witnesses wanted to be interviewed by the NFL investigators. None of them!

That is very telling! Not in law but it screams that something just isn't right.


Follow link to the star telegram article. The first sentence in the last paragraph. Very interesting that supposed witnesses for him didn't want to talk.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article166812367.html

It's a weird paragraph. He says the witnesses didn't want to talk but then states that apparently only of the witnesses said something different to a NFL investigator that was in the affidavit. Which is it? Did you talk to a witness or a few witness or did you not talk to any of the witnesses.

And I chuckled at his "theoretical" comment. Their case is "theoretical". They have concluded that because she took the pictures of her bruises when she said she did and because Elliott can't explain how she got them, he must have caused them. It's bizarre.
 

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Here's a scenario I've been contemplating: say Zeke is forced to sit out the full six games (don't think that'll be the case but let's roll with that idea for the sake of argument)...and our current stable of RB's just absolutely GOES OFF (e.g., Morris is like rookie season Morris) and we are just running roughshod over opponents...what will the conversations here be like then? Happy about our good fortune and turn of events OR a mass referendum on why we ever took a RB 4th overall??? LOL...that would be an interesting spectacle!

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Here's a scenario I've been contemplating: say Zeke is forced to sit out the full six games (don't think that'll be the case but let's roll with that idea for the sake of argument)...and our current stable of RB's just absolutely GOES OFF (e.g., Morris is like rookie season Morris) and we are just running roughshod over opponents...what will the conversations here be like then? Happy about our good fortune and turn of events OR a mass referendum on why we ever took a RB 4th overall??? LOL...that would be an interesting spectacle!

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Don't think we have to worry about that. At the most we can hope for is adequate. The running game will open up a lot more when Zeke is back.
 

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Don't think we have to worry about that. At the most we can hope for is adequate. The running game will open up a lot more when Zeke is back.
Sure. The offense won't be the real problem the club has enough to win offensively. Its the young defense and without Elliott to keep the defense off the field. Thats the rub.
 

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Here's a scenario I've been contemplating: say Zeke is forced to sit out the full six games (don't think that'll be the case but let's roll with that idea for the sake of argument)...and our current stable of RB's just absolutely GOES OFF (e.g., Morris is like rookie season Morris) and we are just running roughshod over opponents...what will the conversations here be like then? Happy about our good fortune and turn of events OR a mass referendum on why we ever took a RB 4th overall??? LOL...that would be an interesting spectacle!

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Elliott needs to grow up fast. What happens after his rookie contract?
 

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Sure. The offense won't be the real problem the club has enough to win offensively. Its the young defense and without Elliott to keep the defense off the field. Thats the rub.
That's what I'm most worried about. With that defense our best shot is to limit the number of times they're on the field. The running game must get first downs. Can't have 3rd down and 2 or 3 and not make it.
 

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YR you are totally right but why wouldn't they want to help Zeke and talk to the investigators. By then not doing leaves open that there statements could be perjured.


Who knows maybe the NFL didn't even try to contact them and said they did and what happens if Zeke gets some of these witnesses to come forward in the upcoming weeks? Would that change your mind?

Either way a sworn affidavit outweighs any statement to an NFL investigator


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The NFL chooses to accept the Skank's statements after Skank tried to falsified evidence. If she will falsify other evidence, WHY would she not create her own bruises?

Yet the NFL chooses to reject 3rd party affidavit sworned evidence because the witness' did not agree to show up to testify.

Double Standard - yes
'Guilty until proven innocent' - yes
Pandering to Women's groups' - yes
 

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It's a weird paragraph. He says the witnesses didn't want to talk but then states that apparently only of the witnesses said something different to a NFL investigator that was in the affidavit. Which is it? Did you talk to a witness or a few witness or did you not talk to any of the witnesses.

And I chuckled at his "theoretical" comment. Their case is "theoretical". They have concluded that because she took the pictures of her bruises when she said she did and because Elliott can't explain how she got them, he must have caused them. It's bizarre.

And bizarre reasoning suggests a conclusion in search of justification.
 

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Thomson accused Zeke of beating her. The investigation decided its more likely than not he did. Right or wrong, thats all the NFL needs to suspend him. They don't need beyond a reasonable doubt, as you know.
That is exactly what the Courts need to decide......it is a new policy so there isn't much case law

The NFL doesn't have supreme power, no matter how they word things

Of all the new DV cases since the policy was enacted, none that I could find got 6 games
That is unequal punishment and not allowed...... especially for someone not even charged

Roethisberger admitted to drinking with and having sex with underage girls
GHardy had that bs bench court guilty verdict

Zeke has none of that ..............#frZeKe.................FREE ZEKE!!!!!!!......... #frEE21
 
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