It isn't looking like MoClaiborne worth the trade

[Venger]

The problem with drafting him was the usual Jerreh overreach. Claiborne will be fine I would reckon, playing soft now but he'll come around. The difference is that what he is giving us is probably less than the two players we gave up would be giving us. Which is why you should rarely give up high draft picks. I blame Mo for his poor play now, but not for the questionable transactions that landed him here, ain't his fault...

 

[Tabascocat]

Claiborne actually goes up to guys and makes tackles. He had one solid tackle against Gates. When he got trucked against Jamaal Charles, he actually attempted to make the tackle, but that's 'soft'. On the other hand, it's fine for Mike Jenkins to completely move out of the way of the runningback and that's not soft? The very reason we even went to get Mo was because we were getting lit up through the air... so obviously Jenkins wasn't this unbelievable near shut-down corner like this forum seems to be proposing. We've constantly made every single change you can think of. Got rid of all of the 'problem players', got rid of the defensive coordinator. Shored up the O-line. The only two constants on this team have been Romo and Garrett.

So, let me get this straight. Jenkins gets out of the way of a sure TD and that defines his career? The guy was a better corner than what Mo has been so far. I like Mo and I think he has the potential to be really good but that has not translated to the field yet.

Also, don't take "soft" as his playing style, it has more to do with him always getting injured or dinged up and missing camp or games. If he goes thru camp and a full season healthy, I will be amazed.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

So, let me get this straight. Jenkins gets out of the way of a sure TD and that defines his career? The guy was a better corner than what Mo has been so far. I like Mo and I think he has the potential to be really good but that has not translated to the field yet.

Also, don't take "soft" as his playing style, it has more to do with him always getting injured or dinged up and missing camp or games. If he goes thru camp and a full season healthy, I will be amazed.

Mike Jenkins was so soft, that he played an entire season with a seperated shoulder..

 

[links18]

I think they should just let these two corners play man. Let them maul receivers at the LOS. Thats what their supposed to be doing right?

Except we just brought in the master of zone to coach the defense.

 

[Coy]

Bust

 

[CowboyStar88]

I think Mo's problem isn't that he is a bad football player. The problem is with how Mo is used. He is a bigger corner and is strength is Man coverage and I think the zone coverage is hurting Mo a lot. It doesn't allow him to do what he does. I think that's the whole defenses problem is the zone coverage we got man corners we need to use them that way. We have hard hitting safeties let them strike fear in WR not send them 30 yards down Field for the zone. Frustrated by this.

 

[Gameover]

I don't think the cowboys scouted him. I think they selected him off top 100 rankings. Mo was at the top of several list.

He's been horrible. I believe he'll go down as the worst draft pick in cowboys history.

 

[links18]

I think Mo's problem isn't that he is a bad football player. The problem is with how Mo is used. He is a bigger corner and is strength is Man coverage and I think the zone coverage is hurting Mo a lot. It doesn't allow him to do what he does. I think that's the whole defenses problem is the zone coverage we got man corners we need to use them that way. We have hard hitting safeties let them strike fear in WR not send them 30 yards down Field for the zone. Frustrated by this.

Well, the zone scheme isn't going anywhere this year.

 

[links18]

I don't think the cowboys scouted him. I think they selected off top 100 rankings. Mo was at the top of several list.

He's been horrible. I believe he'll go down as the worst draft pick in cowboys history.

Roy Williams?

 

[revospeed]

Roy Williams?

Roy Williams had a few good years, Mo hasn't lived up to any of the hype that came with is selection. He didn't look like a smart pick last year and hasn't proven anything this year either. Honestly, whenever Scandrick is on the field, Mo looks like the 5th best DB out there. Definitely disappointed in him so far.

 

[koolaid]

Second season corner who has had his development slowed a bit by injuries and a switch to a new scheme. Lets wait a bit before calling him a bust.

 

[Gameover]

Roy Williams?

Didn't have to give up a second round pick in order to select Williams.

Roy was a deserving all pro in 2003.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Well, the zone scheme isn't going anywhere this year.

I disagree I think we are going to be more aggressive at some point that's what we were sold that they were going to do. That it wasn't going to be zone every single play. I mean goose was getting frustrated watching it. They figured out what we were doing and all we did was bring in another corner and didn't being pressure and sent JJ out of the picture almost all game down field. When we snuck a safety up they made sure tackles and stopped people. The backend of this defense is not a zone defense and it's getting us killed. Carr Mo and Scan all are solid man corners and that's why we brought them so we could leave them on an island and now we have safeties that allows us to do that we don't. Sometimes I wonder what the coaches see.

 

[links18]

I disagree I think we are going to be more aggressive at some point that's what we were sold that they were going to do. That it wasn't going to be zone every single play. I mean goose was getting frustrated watching it. They figured out what we were doing and all we did was bring in another corner and didn't being pressure and sent JJ out of the picture almost all game down field. When we snuck a safety up they made sure tackles and stopped people. The backend of this defense is not a zone defense and it's getting us killed. Carr Mo and Scan all are solid man corners and that's why we brought them so we could leave them on an island and now we have safeties that allows us to do that we don't. Sometimes I wonder what the coaches see.

Did you miss the offseason? We brought in 73 year old Monte Kiffen to run the Tampa Two deep zone. That's what we are going to run, unless someone goes over Kiffen's head, which would pretty much tell you right away that bringing him in was a giant mistake.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The problem with drafting him was the usual Jerreh overreach. Claiborne will be fine I would reckon, playing soft now but he'll come around. The difference is that what he is giving us is probably less than the two players we gave up would be giving us. Which is why you should rarely give up high draft picks. I blame Mo for his poor play now, but not for the questionable transactions that landed him here, ain't his fault...

You don't know that though. You very well could've had two busts with the draft picks we had. That's like assuming had we not traded a 1st round draft pick for Roy Williams we would've drafted Brandon Pettigrew.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Did you miss the offseason? We brought in 73 year old Monte Kiffen to run the Tampa Two deep zone. That's what we are going to run, unless someone goes over Kiffen's head, which would pretty much tell you right away that bringing him in was a giant mistake.

I didn't miss anything at all. Did you miss the fact that Jerry wanted or defense to mirror those of the Seahawks and Bears? They are not zone teams. Also I am too lazy to go back but iirc "Kiffin" himself said he would run man with the talent on this team and that you need to be flexible.

 

[links18]

I didn't miss anything at all. Did you miss the fact that Jerry wanted or defense to mirror those of the Seahawks and Bears? They are not zone teams. Also I am too lazy to go back but iirc "Kiffin" himself said he would run man with the talent on this team and that you need to be flexible.

Well, by your own observation this isn't happening. Hard to learn new tricks in your 70s, I guess.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Well, by your own observation this isn't happening. Hard to learn new tricks in your 70s, I guess.

I am pretty sure he knows how to run Man coverage and it was more about game plan and sticking with it even tho it wasn't working. Can't tell me none of this coaches know how to run man?

 

[links18]

I am pretty sure he knows how to run Man coverage and it was more about game plan and sticking with it even tho it wasn't working. Can't tell me none of this coaches know how to run man?

Not sure why we would bother with Kiffin if the intention was to run man coverage. Are we running the Tampa two out there or not?

 

[CowboyStar88]

Not sure why we would bother with Kiffin if the intention was to run man coverage. Are we running the Tampa two out there or not?

I think it was more about getting the variations of the Tampa 2 for the read option. But I think the plan was to run a 4-3 tamp 2 with hybrid man coverage. Bringing in Kiffin to help put it in place and turn the D over to rod and at that point this d would be a full fledge 4-3 defense with the right personnel upfront. I just don't see how you waste all the resources in draft picks and money on the back end and not play to what they do best. In Kiffins 4-3 the Dline have one job get up field now in other 4-3 don't they have other duties? And the 1 tech and 3 tech isn't as important? I think this D was I'm place for a line of Ware Rat Hatcher and Spence and obviously Lee and and Carter to flow to the ball. But I just remember Jerry making a point about the hawks and bears defense and how they play their coverages and they are aggressive and all those coaches coached under the Kiffin IIRc