It's going to be one of these three at #16

[Sydla]

There is little to no chance Martin, Barr and Donald are all there at 16.

 

[TheDude]

I don't know that I agree with this but I can understand the reasoning. The difference between Chicago and Dallas, at least in my mind, is that Marinelli's scheme fits Donald top to bottom. I don't think that Mel Tucker's scheme really fits Donald. Pasqualoni, Herring and Tucker are all 34 guys.

I agree with everything you said about Donald and the Marinellu scheme. Just seems that Chicago or Minny - if they follow BPA - take the better football player and slightly adjust the scheme. All speculation - which makes the draft fun

Church is starter quality...he would start for well over half the teams in the league.

I have stated many times and have looked through the other rosters, other than maybe Washington last year, Dallas fielded the worst safety combo in the league.

Safety has been a dumpster fire since RW got toasted by Santana Moss and lost confidence. Church is perhaps serviceable, but next to Heath, he is >75% liability.

I have hopes for Wilcox, but Church is a stop gap - very slow, good tackler, but doesn't read the ball that great. I don't think he is the 16th best free safety - and I think he should be a strong safety if anything

 

[dbonham]

I think Barr gets drafted before our pick, and that makes it even liklier that we get Donald.

True. I think Barr goes at 11, and anyway the dream scenario of Barr/Easley involves a trade up for Easley. All the teams we're talking about passing on Donald will be targeting Easley in the 2nd.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I agree with everything you said about Donald and the Marinellu scheme. Just seems that Chicago or Minny - if they follow BPA - take the better football player and slightly adjust the scheme. All speculation - which makes the draft fun


I have stated many times and have looked through the other rosters, other than maybe Washington last year, Dallas fielded the worst safety combo in the league.

Safety has been a dumpster fire since RW got toasted by Santana Moss and lost confidence. Church is perhaps serviceable, but next to Heath, he is >75% liability.

I have hopes for Wilcox, but Church is a stop gap - very slow, good tackler, but doesn't read the ball that great. I don't think he is the 16th best free safety - and I think he should be a strong safety if anything

First of all, you should know that Dallas wants their safeties to do both...it is why we have so many guys that aren't pure free safeties nor pure strong safeties.

Secondly, blaming Church for last year's safety play is ludicrous. The problems were at the other position, not at his. Not surprising since we had a borderline vet early on, then a rookie that wasn't ready and then a free agent. Funny how you don't have a problem with Wilcox, who easily was the worst starting safety in the league, before getting replaced by Heath for performance, not due to injury.

Church is nowhere near as bad as you are trying to claim.

 

[manster4ever]

Donald can slide by Chicago because they don't have a safety. Chicago also has a plethora of Dlineman that they can use. Would Aaron Donald be a great pick for them? Yes, but if Dix or Pryor is there I don't think they would pass them up. I also think he slide past the giants because I believe they take Martin to solidify that porous oline.

This is a solid post...however the Gspots will most likely take the best tackle per Mike Francesca (jerk...but knowledgeable) That says Lewan to me. Which I would love because the guy is huge tool. If they take Barr it would really suck. I think we have Barr, Donald, and Martin as the guys that are realistically going to be there. My gut says it's going to be Martin at this point. I think Barr and Donald will be gone.

 

[theSHOW]

1st, Kareem Martin may be better against the run, but he will never be the pass rusher Barr is. And I like Martin.

2nd, theres a good chance Kareem Martin doesn't make it to our 3rd pick. He's not a realistic option for the 4th round

Agree that most mock appraisals are putting Martin higher but some arnt. Martin or any DE in the later is better than wasting anything on Barr. I'll take a push up the middle from Donald or I would rather have our 1st three picks on guards and a center rather than Barr. Selecting Su a fila, Botonio & Martin from USC all in the 2nd after trading down twice and leaving the 1st round....as I just did on Fanspeak mocking with trades.

 

[tm1119]

Agree that most mock appraisals are putting Martin higher but some arnt. Martin or any DE in the later is better than wasting anything on Barr. I'll take a push up the middle from Donald or I would rather have our 1st three picks on guards and a center rather than Barr. Selecting Su a fila, Botonio & Martin from USC all in the 2nd after trading down twice and leaving the 1st round....as I just did on Fanspeak mocking with trades.

Using fanspeak to do a mock draft is like driving a go-kart and then calling yourself a NASCAR driver. It's incredibly unrealistic and not even close to the real thing.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Agree that most mock appraisals are putting Martin higher but some arnt. Martin or any DE in the later is better than wasting anything on Barr. I'll take a push up the middle from Donald or I would rather have our 1st three picks on guards and a center rather than Barr. Selecting Su a fila, Botonio & Martin from USC all in the 2nd after trading down twice and leaving the 1st round....as I just did on Fanspeak mocking with trades.

If Donald and Barr are there...they are probably taking Barr.

If Barr and Martin, Pryor, Shazier, Dix and pretty much anyone else who has a shot is sitting there...they probably take Barr.

They don't take Barr if Barr is not there or if he is there they get a trade down option that is just too good to pass up on.

So you better hope Barr is gone or they get a great trade off...otherwise get ready to be upset.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Using fanspeak to do a mock draft is like driving a go-kart and then calling yourself a NASCAR driver. It's incredibly unrealistic and not even close to the real thing.

I think those have a good use.

I think they force (some) people to start doing research on some more players than they would normally know about.

That's if they do a full mock each time. Because most people are going to want to know more about a number of names vs just taking whoever is rated the highest in each mock they do.

With that said...each one is at the mercy of whatever board is being used as the big board and those rankings of said big board. Which in many ways holds true to individual teams and their boards. Every year we see some teams value some players MUCH higher than other teams would and other players much lower than other teams.

 

[bb721]

There is little to no chance Martin, Barr and Donald are all there at 16.

I tend to agree, but on the rare chance that it actually happens I think they would try to trade down to 18, which would guarantee that we would still be able to pick one of the 3 guys and would get us another 4th round pick. Personally I would just stay at 16 and take Donald.

 

[erod]

There is little to no chance Martin, Barr and Donald are all there at 16.

Who said they would be?

The point is, ONE of them will be there at least, and that's who they'll take.

 

[erod]

I tend to agree, but on the rare chance that it actually happens I think they would try to trade down to 18, which would guarantee that we would still be able to pick one of the 3 guys and would get us another 4th round pick. Personally I would just stay at 16 and take Donald.

You can't just "trade down to 18". That team has to want to trade. More likely, a trade-down would involve a team in the mid-20s looking to jump up. But you don't get to pick who you trade with.

 

[ferrispata]

Donald will not be there at our pick. There is some chance that the other two may. I would take Barr in a heartbeat if he is there, and I think if he is still on the board, Dallas will not trade down. Kirwan I think the other day was saying that he is one of only 3 with that type of pass-rushing ability (after Clowney and Mack). I would be fine drafting Martin however, even though I would prefer a trade down (if Barr is gone).

 

[bb721]

You can't just "trade down to 18". That team has to want to trade. More likely, a trade-down would involve a team in the mid-20s looking to jump up. But you don't get to pick who you trade with.

Notice that I said TRY to trade down to 18. The Jets pick at 18 and the Ravens at 17. Both have needs at wide receiver with many calling it the Jets biggest need. It's not far fetched to think that if a receiver the Jets like falls to 16 they would be interested in leap frogging the Ravens to pick him.

 

[erod]

Donald will not be there at our pick. There is some chance that the other two may. I would take Barr in a heartbeat if he is there, and I think if he is still on the board, Dallas will not trade down. Kirwan I think the other day was saying that he is one of only 3 with that type of pass-rushing ability (after Clowney and Mack). I would be fine drafting Martin however, even though I would prefer a trade down (if Barr is gone).

He actually could. He's a bad fit for 3-4 teams, and there are greater needs on the teams ahead of Dallas. No doubt he's valued by teams, but defensive tackles aren't as sexy as QBs, offensive tackles, receivers, defensive ends, and corners.

 

[erod]

Notice that I said TRY to trade down to 18. The Jets pick at 18 and the Ravens at 17. Both have needs at wide receiver with many calling it the Jets biggest need. It's not far fetched to think that if a receiver the Jets like falls to 16 they would be interested in leap frogging the Ravens to pick him.

I agree, but teams just don't like giving up picks unless there's a player they just have to have, and they don't think they'll slip far enough. That's why it's more likely for a team late in the first round to jump up and offer a second or third rounders (because their's are usually late in those rounds).

 

[ferrispata]

He actually could. He's a bad fit for 3-4 teams, and there are greater needs on the teams ahead of Dallas. No doubt he's valued by teams, but defensive tackles aren't as sexy as QBs, offensive tackles, receivers, defensive ends, and corners.

DTs that can rush and be disruptive like Donald are very sexy though. There are not many who can do what he does. He won't even make it to Chicago I think.

 

[bb721]

I agree, but teams just don't like giving up picks unless there's a player they just have to have, and they don't think they'll slip far enough. That's why it's more likely for a team late in the first round to jump up and offer a second or third rounders (because their's are usually late in those rounds).

Well as I said in that scenario I would stay put and take Donald. I was just pointing out that in the unlikely case that those 3 players were still available at 16 it wouldn't surprise me if they at least inquired about moving back to 18 and still getting one of the 3 while adding another pick.

 

[erod]

DTs that can rush and be disruptive like Donald are very sexy though. There are not many who can do what he does. He won't even make it to Chicago I think.

Chicago doesn't have a starting safety, and this is a safety-poor draft after the first 2-3. Jeff Heath would be the best safety on their roster right now. Plus, they're possibly converting to the 3-4 and Donald doesn't fit that scheme. And they've spent good money in free agency at tackle, too (as has Dallas).

I think the Bears are going safety or linebacker.

 

[ferrispata]

Chicago doesn't have a starting safety, and this is a safety-poor draft after the first 2-3. Jeff Heath would be the best safety on their roster right now. Plus, they're possibly converting to the 3-4 and Donald doesn't fit that scheme. And they've spent good money in free agency at tackle, too (as has Dallas).

I think the Bears are going safety or linebacker.

I said that Donald won't even make it to Chicago (ie. he will be drafted before Chicago gets on the board).