It's not just us, Lane Johnson just got a 10 game suspension

[Blackspider214]

Lol. Good. Screw Lane Johnson and screw the Eagles.

That's going to be a bad team this year.

Most likely will get last place (unless injuries happen to us). Their QB situation is horrendous.

 

[Sydla]

Out of curiosity, why would I be a homer for thinking the problem is, say, defensive talent as opposed to coaching? Isn't there any room for people to just have different takes on why a team loses football games? Or is there some rule I don't know about where the first person to call the other a homer wins the argument?

Teams lose games. And they lose them for a variety of reasons. The same arguments against Garrett here were used against Gary Kubiak up until last season. I've seen the same applied to Tony Romo.

That's not to say that Jason Garrtt is Gary Kubiak or Tomy Romo. It's only saying that you don't just look at the won/loss record of your team to figure out where the problems are.

Sure there is room for people to have differences of opinion. But after 6 years and one playoff appearance (if that's where this season heads), history tells you that the head coach is probably an issue as well. Sure there is Kubiak. But for every Kubiak there are a bunch of failures.

Using your logic, most coaches should never be fired. It's the talent's fault. The only teams that should fire their coaches are those that have uber talented rosters that fail to make a SB run.

And the bizarre angle here is that you, yourself, pretty much called Garrett an average head coach. Why the hell would you want to continue with that if after this season we miss the playoffs again?

 

[MileyDancer]

Lol. Good. Screw Lane Johnson and screw the Eagles.

That's going to be a bad team this year.

*LIKE *LIKE *LIKE

 

[Blackspider214]

So for the record, you think he's made bad choices in who he has hired at times, you don't think his scheme is all that good and that he's not a strong game day coach.

Dude, no offense, but you just described a mediocre head coach.

The fact he's brought "stability" to the franchise or runs things efficiently is largely meaningless at that point when you just admitted he's not that great of a coach.

Agreed. We are stable as in we are always mediocre except one outlier in 2014. Followed by completely flipping our record the next year. All that equals .500 in the very end. There is nothing redeeming about Jason when it comes to game day and preparation. Spare me that is he respected by players and all that stuff that has no value when it comes to Wins and losses. Last season was the biggest indictment on this staff. One single player goes down and this whole team implodes. Yet teams like the Texans can survive and still make the playoffs. Heck they brought in the guy we thought was terrible in Weeden and he won them a game.

If it was not for Romo, Garrett would be a 4win head coach per year. That was shown last year. We won one single game without him and that was because Desean wanted to run backwards. Romo makes all these coaches seem competent. They are bottom of the league coaches without him.

Their inability to adjust and to create a competent gameplan is what kills us. Instead of adjusting and designing a gameplan for Cassell and Weeden, we expect them to run what Romo was doing. Idiocy is what it was.

 

[AbeBeta]

Its not a comparison - its a statement on - in my opinion, the misguided belief that we can use a 4th round pick or UFA as the primary backup to our starter. Obviously a different plan by coachinf staffs. As much as i hate the Eagles, their plan seems the more resonable one compared to our hope and a prayer plan. Top that with the Jerry speak, and its a head scrature for sure.

Their plan is reasonable? Two firsts, a second, and a third. Plus 26 mill fully guaranteed.

Sam Bradford cost them a 2 and a 4 in addition to Foles. They just gave him a two year deal for 35 mill. 22 mill guaranteed.

They just signed Chase Daniel to a 3 year 21 mill deal. 12 mill guaranteed.

They certainly are in better shape than us in terms of backups and may have their QB of the future but they really had to spend a ton to get there.

If we got Went the price would likely have been or 1, 2, and 3. He sits and our backfield looks awful.

Lynch wasn't on the table. Seattle wanted to stay in the first to get a 5th year out of the pick. We didn't have a first to offer. Plain and simple. Tried to get Lynch, didn't have the juice.

 

[chicago JK]

The Eagles should be the worst team in the division this year. Although their defense has always gave us fits. I am not sure if that will still be the case though with the coaching changes and players leaving the team (not sure who left or who has been added).

Regardless, the important thing for the Eagles is hope their new Coach is up for the job and get their first round pick of Wentz right. You can go to a five win team to an 11 win team in one year in today's NFL. I am not sure the Eagles will do this in a year but it is not impossible.

To be honest, if they are right on Wentz and if he is a future top 10 QB, there future is probably better positioned than our Dallas team.

 

[phildadon86]

Look I am only using your own words. You don't like his scheme, you think he's not a good game day coach and you've admitted he's made some poor hires.

You can disagree all you want and try to walk back your commentary by now claiming scheme is overrated, but in your own words, you just defined a mediocre head coach.

Another 9-7, 8-8 season out of him, and his butt should be canned.

I firmly believe he could go 0-16 and still be the HC of the Cowboys. Jerry wont fire him. Wont happen. Linehan or Marinelli would be the scapegoats. We are talking about Jerry here. The guy that admitted that firing him after all the "training" he has had wouldnt be right.

 

[Sydla]

You should split up the "plans" the Eagles used. The move for Bradford was a Chip Kelly move, which if you believe the rumors, their current GM likely wouldn't have done.

I can't fault their thinking now that they need a franchise QB and that the cost they paid was worth it. Sure it's a big risk, any drafted QB is. But if Wentz pans out, they look very smart.

I wish our front office had a bit of foresight with regards to the QB spot. And no, Romo playing 4 more years and then having Prescott take over is not exactly a great "plan".

 

[phildadon86]

The Eagles should be the worst team in the division this year. Although their defense has always gave us fits. I am not sure if that will still be the case though with the coaching changes and players leaving the team (not sure who left or who has been added).

Regardless, the important thing for the Eagles is hope their new Coach is up for the job and get their first round pick of Wentz right. You can go to a five win team to an 11 win team in one year in today's NFL. I am not sure the Eagles will do this in a year but it is not impossible.

To be honest, if they are right on Wentz and if he is a future top 10 QB, there future is probably better positioned than our Dallas team.

Doug Pederson has led the 32nd ranked offense 2 years in a row. I dont see that changing in Philly.

 

[Idgit]

Sure there is room for people to have differences of opinion. But after 6 years and one playoff appearance (if that's where this season heads), history tells you that the head coach is probably an issue as well. Sure there is Kubiak. But for every Kubiak there are a bunch of failures.

Using your logic, most coaches should never be fired. It's the talent's fault. The only teams that should fire their coaches are those that have uber talented rosters that fail to make a SB run.

And the bizarre angle here is that you, yourself, pretty much called Garrett an average head coach. Why the hell would you want to continue with that if after this season we miss the playoffs again?

I'm not saying that most coaches should keep their jobs after six seasons like Garrett has had (though I also don't view the 8-8s as harshly as you probably do because I think we legitimately had a bad team in 2011, 2012). I'm saying you have to look at each case and see if the problem lies with the coaching or somewhere else. In our case, I think we grew through some early coaching issues (gamedays and in assembling the staff, as I said), but by and large, we've had personnel issues on defense (on top of the OL problems early) and we've had a meddling owner who's made things difficult. Despite that, we've actually been fairly competitive during this run and not the dumpster fire many would like to misremember.

I never suggested I thought Garrett was an average coach. Maybe you place more value on the things I criticize him for than I do, but I don't think he's just an average coach when it comes to the Dallas Cowboys.

And, newsflash. It's personnel more often than not that keeps teams from winning the playoff games in this league. There are a lot of good coaches, but great players are at a huge premium. That's the way it's always been and the way it's probably always going to be. We haven't had an elite roster overall, and I don't expect the coaching staff to close that particular gap.

 

[Plankton]

Out of curiosity, why would I be a homer for thinking the problem is, say, defensive talent as opposed to coaching? Isn't there any room for people to just have different takes on why a team loses football games? Or is there some rule I don't know about where the first person to call the other a homer wins the argument?

Teams lose games. And they lose them for a variety of reasons. The same arguments against Garrett here were used against Gary Kubiak up until last season. I've seen the same applied to Tony Romo.

That's not to say that Jason Garrtt is Gary Kubiak or Tomy Romo. It's only saying that you don't just look at the won/loss record of your team to figure out where the problems are.

Playing devil's advocate here, you indicated above a strength of Garrett's is someone who can identify, draft and develop talent. If a guy has been in place for six seasons, and the defensive talent continues to be subpar, doesn't that point back to Garrett as well? If you indicate that the procurement and development of talent is a strength and quality that Garrett brings to the organization, then he deserves blame for the lack of talent on defense.

To me, I was never an advocate of Garrett, and didn't think that he should have been named head coach. My posting history is clear on that matter. I do think he did an outstanding job in showing leadership and galvanizing the team during the whole Josh Brent/Jerry Brown tragedy, and that he did a terrific job in 2014. He won me over to a large extent in 2014. Last season was very troubling. Yes, they lost their two most dynamic players on offense, but he and the staff did a poor job of coaxing performance out of the players that remained. That being said, I think that coaching is not in the top five things wrong with the franchise.

 

[chicago JK]

Doug Pederson has led the 32nd ranked offense 2 years in a row. I dont see that changing in Philly.

I view that as Andy Reid's offense anyway. Either way, sometimes great coordinators wind up being bad head coaches and guys who were not viewed as great coordinators wind up being great coaches. They are two totally different jobs and it is really impossible to know until they get into the role. I thought he was a weird hire to begin with and didn't inspire too much excitement. Although sometimes those wind up being the best choices. We will see.

 

[Sydla]

I'm not saying that most coaches should keep their jobs after six seasons like Garrett has had (though I also don't view the 8-8s as harshly as you probably do because I think we legitimately had a bad team in 2011, 2012). I'm saying you have to look at each case and see if the problem lies with the coaching or somewhere else. In our case, I think we grew through some early coaching issues (gamedays and in assembling the staff, as I said), but by and large, we've had personnel issues on defense (on top of the OL problems early) and we've had a meddling owner who's made things difficult. Despite that, we've actually been fairly competitive during this run and not the dumpster fire many would like to misremember.

I never suggested I thought Garrett was an average coach. Maybe you place more value on the things I criticize him for than I do, but I don't think he's just an average coach when it comes to the Dallas Cowboys.

And, newsflash. It's personnel more often than not that keeps teams from winning the playoff games in this league. There are a lot of good coaches, but great players are at a huge premium. That's the way it's always been and the way it's probably always going to be. We haven't had an elite roster overall, and I don't expect the coaching staff to close that particular gap.

Let's note that the owner you think makes so many mistakes also hired Garrett. So it's quite possible Jones screwed up the head coach hiring as well.

You said above that you think Garrett has game day coaching issues. How in the world can that not be a very, very important part of being a good head coach or that game day coaching is something people overvalue as it relates to a head coach?

I aspire for better than "fairly competitive". Maybe you don't. But the reason why this team isn't in the elite levels of the NFL is partly talent but also the coaching.

 

[Derinyar]

There's a 'the league is out to get us mantra' when it comes to suspensions? I've never seen any sign of it. Our damage has been self-inflicted in that area.

EDIT: come to think of it, maybe you're referencing the 'Mara will make sure Zeke gets suspended' stuff. That's outlier posting from the fringe. Not really indicative of how the fanbase feels, overall.

What came out about Lawrence can potentially inspire a little bit of the out to get you ideas. Really sounds like an issue of failing to get the proper clearance for prescriptions from the back surgery. Considering I swear every player on the Seahawks is on adderall and they never get punished for it.

 

[Idgit]

What came out about Lawrence can potentially inspire a little bit of the out to get you ideas. Really sounds like an issue of failing to get the proper clearance for prescriptions from the back surgery. Considering I swear every player on the Seahawks is on adderall and they never get punished for it.

Across the board, the league is ridiculous on it's rulings in some of these suspension cases. When a formulation is mislabeled, or a formulation is on the approved list, and the formulation changes but the NFL doesn't update it's approved list and they still suspend players. When they're suspending and fining coaches with legitimate health issues for taking performance enhancing drugs *for martial purposes* (giggity). Some of it's just silly.

But that's a league thing that also affects the Cowboys more than a 'league is out to get the Cowboys' thing.

 

[Derinyar]

Across the board, the league is ridiculous on it's rulings in some of these suspension cases. When a formulation is mislabeled, or a formulation is on the approved list, and the formulation changes but the NFL doesn't update it's approved list and they still suspend players. When they're suspending and fining coaches with legitimate health issues for taking performance enhancing drugs *for martial purposes* (giggity). Some of it's just silly.

But that's a league thing that also affects the Cowboys more than a 'league is out to get the Cowboys' thing.

I agree. But it does seem like outside of Scandrick we never get a break in any of our drug cases which doesn't seem to be the standard.

 

[Idgit]

Let's note that the owner you think makes so many mistakes also hired Garrett. So it's quite possible Jones screwed up the head coach hiring as well.

You said above that you think Garrett has game day coaching issues. How in the world can that not be a very, very important part of being a good head coach or that game day coaching is something people overvalue as it relates to a head coach?

I aspire for better than "fairly competitive". Maybe you don't. But the reason why this team isn't in the elite levels of the NFL is partly talent but also the coaching.

Ok. Let's note that. It doesn't follow that because somebody makes mistakes sometimes everything they do is a mistake.

I"ve explained my take on the gameday coaching stuff already, but the primary criticism there was he needed to improve his clock management, and I think he has. You hear a lot about play calling, but one, the coaches all communicate, two, he's no longer calling the plays, and three, the plays all have multiple options and Tony decides how they get executed, and four, we've been pretty good (offensively) under Jason Garrett anyway. A great game day coach (staff, really) is an asset, for sure. But there have been a lot of very successful teams in the league that didn't necessarily excel on game day. The assembled their personnel, had depth, have their responsibilities down cold, and win by out-executing the other guys. That's how it happens most of the time.

And it's because I aspire to be better than 'fairly competitive' that I don't want to change the pieces of the puzzle that actually fit well. We've got limited resources. Use them where they're going to help and don't blow it up and start over because 'if something's not right, then everything's not right.' Give this team an impact pass rusher, another above-average Safety, and some LB depth and we're competing in the NFC right now as it is. I'm not willing to take it apart and start over because fans aren't happy that we took a mediocre team to 8-8 three teams a couple years ago.

 

[Idgit]

I agree. But it does seem like outside of Scandrick we never get a break in any of our drug cases which doesn't seem to be the standard.

We'll see of Johnson gets off. From what little I've read, it seems like he's got a legit beef, too. But that said, screw him. And screw the Eagles. I hope they ban one of his teammates just for him appealing it.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I agree. But it does seem like outside of Scandrick we never get a break in any of our drug cases which doesn't seem to be the standard.

Idgit,

That's you agreeing with the "the league is out to get us" mantra.

Case closed.

 

[Idgit]

Idgit,

That's you agreeing with the "the league is out to get us" mantra.

Case closed.

Not sure if you quoted the right post or what point you were making. But Derinyar was agreeing to me saying the opposite of what it seems like you're concluding here.