It's October and the division is already lost

[Sydla]

I know some on here disagree, but it never gets old for me.

It's entertaining all the various ways he can work his Wentz man crush into the conversation.

He's as obsessed with Wentz's awesomeness as I was with Carroll's suckiness.

 

[mahoneybill]

I just don't understand how this defense got so bad and for so long.

Scheme. You can tackle or cover to create turnovers when you are playing off the ball...

 

[Joe Realist]

Eagles won't be a one and done team either. They are going to be good for awhile. Wentz is next golden child at qb

 

[mahoneybill]

I for one concede Eagles are off to great start and we are looking at probably 500 if that with all the other turmoil going on.

That said. Lets see where the Eagles end up at the end of the year before we worry too much.... They are going to benefit from our woes and the Giants this season as regards the Division, but to me I want to see them when " the big dogs hunt"

 

[TheHerd]

For a conspiracy to have some merit, one would have to provide the benefit the league would get from conspiring against the Cowboys. The league is in the business of making money. So what's the benefit to the league conspiring against their biggest draw, their largest money maker?

I'll take a stab.

I disagree that there needs to be benefit, just a reason. And even if you want to talk benefit and money, the odd thing about the Dallas Cowboys is that results have zero impact on the money for the team or the league. In fact, there may even be a negative correlation, or maybe Jerry is just so damn good at marketing it doesn't matter. In any event, the Cowboys have been irrelevant for 25 years in terms of true success yet both the league and Cowboys have flourished financially, so clearly there is no financial danger to either entity due to damaging the on field performance of the Boys. As long as the Boys are in the league, money will be made. Hell, you could argue the league is conspiring to keep the Boys in the news since the team is so piss poor right now.

I'd argue there is a bias over conspiracy, unless we're going to equate the two. There are so many examples to show bias. But any "evidence" has to be circumstantial, kind of like proving the existence of some creature not by actually finding the creature but by things left behind by the creature. And of course anything I could say you will have anti-arguments because there is no "hard" evidence.

Handling of Josh Brown vs. Zeke most recently. Uncapped year punishment. Lack of Romo's roughing the passer calls. Critical calls against in almost every big game at critical times vs. literally close to zero beneficial bizarre calls. The Pats finally get punished for something once Kraft sidles up with Jerry.

All I know is that before Jerry signed his own marketing deals and won that lawsuit, Dallas got almost every controversial call and most things went their way (except against the Steelers and 49ers, who really seem to be the golden franchises). After that lawsuit, the count is like 187-2.

Or maybe I'm just a homer who can't come to grips with what has become of this team.

 

[CWR]

Is it fun to be this negative about a sports team? I don’t get the appeal.

No, it sux lol. Im being negative now, but believe me Im holding my breath and if we lose on Sunday it will still hurt the same.

 

[mahoneybill]

Eagles won't be a one and done team either. They are going to be good for awhile. Wentz is next golden child at qb

I hope they remain good. If we ever get back to SB contenders we will remember how tough the NFC east was to get through and prep our teams for the bigger games.....

 

[TheHerd]

No, it sux lol. Im being negative now, but believe me Im holding my breath and if we lose on Sunday it will still hurt the same.

I guarantee we will not lose this Sunday. Book it.

 

[Sydla]

I'll take a stab.

I disagree that there needs to be benefit, just a reason. And even if you want to talk benefit and money, the odd thing about the Dallas Cowboys is that results have zero impact on the money for the team or the league. In fact, there may even be a negative correlation, or maybe Jerry is just so damn good at marketing it doesn't matter. In any event, the Cowboys have been irrelevant for 25 years in terms of true success yet both the league and Cowboys have flourished financially, so clearly there is no financial danger to either entity due to damaging the on field performance of the Boys. As long as the Boys are in the league, money will be made. Hell, you could argue the league is conspiring to keep the Boys in the news since the team is so piss poor right now.

I'd argue there is a bias over conspiracy, unless we're going to equate the two. There are so many examples to show bias. But any "evidence" has to be circumstantial, kind of like proving the existence of some creature not by actually finding the creature but by things left behind by the creature. And of course anything I could say you will have anti-arguments because there is no "hard" evidence.

Handling of Josh Brown vs. Zeke most recently. Uncapped year punishment. Lack of Romo's roughing the passer calls. Critical calls against in almost every big game at critical times vs. literally close to zero beneficial bizarre calls. The Pats finally get punished for something once Kraft sidles up with Jerry.

All I know is that before Jerry signed his own marketing deals and won that lawsuit, Dallas got almost every controversial call and most things went their way (except against the Steelers and 49ers, who really seem to be the golden franchises). After that lawsuit, the count is like 187-2.

Or maybe I'm just a homer who can't come to grips with what has become of this team.

Here's where I go the opposite.

For one, Romo isn't the only fairly big name QB who didn't get the Brady treatment. You saw a guy last night in Newton who has been beat up like no other QB I can remember without calls. And some of those missed calls have been so egregious that were pretty big national stories.

Two, I see the Brown versus Elliott situation differently. Brown's situation basically mirrored what the league had been doing up until that point........ trying to just sweep things away and hope nothing worse comes out. Brown and Elliott isn't an example of Cowboys bias IMO. It's the result of the league then deciding that the PR avalanche is too much so the next prominent player that comes along with a DV case is going to get the book thrown at them. Unfortunately for us, that next big name player was Elliott.

We weren't the only team punished in the uncapped year. Commanders got hit and Oakland and someone else faced a smaller punishment for doing the same thing we and the Skins did, just on a smaller scale.

The critical calls angle is something I don't buy either because we've gotten calls. Our only playoff win in the great Jason Garrett's illustrious career was largely the result of a completely botched PI call that should have been made against us.

You guys need better proof than this to claim conspiracy IMO.

 

[Sydla]

No, it sux lol. Im being negative now, but believe me Im holding my breath and if we lose on Sunday it will still hurt the same.

Good news. It won't hurt the same this weekend.

Because we don't play on Sunday.

 

[Sydla]

I guarantee we will not lose this Sunday. Book it.

Doh. You beat me to it.

 

[xwalker]

Regardless of whatever negative things you can pull out of your trick bag he was widely regarded as the best defensive player in the draft. And the guy is balling for Jacksonville. Already one of the best corners in the league and leading the resurgence of what is now a top 2 defense in the NFL in my opinion.

In that draft, I wanted him to be a Patrick Peterson type of near-guaranteed Star CB, but he just wasn't.

Zeke:
Pro Bowl (2016)
First-team All-Pro (2016)
PFWA All-Rookie Team (2016)
NFL rushing yards leader (2016)

Runner up to Dak for Associated Press Offensive Rookie of the Year.

PFWA Rookie of the Year and Offensive Rookie of the Year.

The Professional Football Writers of America came out with its Rookie of the Year honorsTuesday, and the winners shouldn't be a surprise.
Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott took Offensive Rookie of the Year and overall Rookie of the Year, while Chargers pass rusher Joey Bosa won the defensive honor.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

I wonder if there were threads like this one in NFCN forums after the Vikes started 5-0 last season? I bet there were.

There were threads like this about the Eagles in 14 and the Giants in 16. It is what it is

 

[xwalker]

This was flawed logic then and continues to be flawed logic now.

And the TB we drafted had red flag character issues coming out of college and we've seen how that's been working out.

We can nitpick each guy all day. I still would have taken Ramsey over Elliott and over the long run, I suspect it will be obvious that we made the wrong choice there because I worry about Elliott's production given usage and the fact he's got off the field issues.

You better hope that Morris and McFadden don't start running the ball well for us.

Why would I want Morris/McFadden to fail?

McFadden was great in 2015 but I don't think anybody wanted him as the long term answer or the starter for playoff games.

 

[cowboyblue22]

the schedule for each team for next five games dallas at 49niners at Washington home tochiefs at Atlanta then eagles at home for the eagles home to niners Commanders and broncos then a by e then at dallas so tell me which team is in the drivers seat with the eagles have a two game lead already

 

[Sydla]

There were threads like this about the Eagles in 14 and the Giants in 16. It is what it is

Difference being in 2014, while the Eagles started 5-1, so did we. And we looked impressive in that 5-1 start.

Not quite the same now.

Oh and the 2016 Giants started 3-3, losing 3 games in a row. Not quite sure how that example applies.

 

[pugilist]

not even to the halfway point.. a lot of football left

on the flip side, i would wager a hefty amount that if we take down SF some will start a thread practically hanging the division banner

 

[Sydla]

Why would I want Morris/McFadden to fail?

McFadden was great in 2015 but I don't think anybody wanted him as the long term answer or the starter for playoff games.

Because if McFadden and Morris run the ball well and we start winning games, it weakens the argument that we absolutely, positively had to have Elliott with the 4th pick.

True, nothing we can change about that now, but it would be another in a growing list of questionable personnel decisions recently from this organization.

 

[Sydla]

the schedule for each team for next five games dallas at 49niners at Washington home tochiefs at Atlanta then eagles at home for the eagles home to niners Commanders and broncos then a by e then at dallas so tell me which team is in the drivers seat with the eagles have a two game lead already

The Giants!

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Difference being in 2014, while the Eagles started 5-1, so did we. And we looked impressive in that 5-1 start.

Not quite the same now.

Oh and the 2016 Giants started 3-3, losing 3 games in a row. Not quite sure how that example applies.

Because people were waving the white flag after an 11 game winning streak. Hell people were doing that after week 1 in both of those years. It's an outlook.