It's proven... Drew needs a GREAT Oline to perform

[Stautner]

All you Bledsoe bashers are taking things out of context. I don't see many who are calling Bledsoe a "great" QB, but he has been a solid/strong QB for a long time.

None of us are putting him in a category with Elway, Montana, etc.... that would be unfair and false.

But you guys who say he sucks and has always sucked are essentially putting him in a category with Quincy and Harrington and others of that nature - which is much more unfair and false.

I will be happy to see Romo get his chance when he finally does - I've been supporting Romo probably long before most of you jumped on the bandwagon. But you don't throw a guy away after one game.

The difference is that Bledsoe has earned his stripes, while Romo hasn't. Obviously there comes a time when the youngster has to get his chance, and if Bledsoe continues to play poorly then i will jump right in with you screaming for it.

 

[gbrittain]

It's as satisfying as the "great QB's don't play on three teams" argument.

Ok. You win. He is on his third team because he is one of the greatest of all times. He has posted a career 77.1 QB rating, because he is actually pretty darn good.

Look, I am not trying to rain on your parade. I am sure you are a great guy and I know if we were talking to each other in person instead of a message board that the tone would be different.

I can only speak for myself. I firmly believe that Drew Bledsoe is a QB who can not get you over the hump. I have never been impressed by him. I will be the first to admit my standards for QBs are pretty high.

 

[Stautner]

Ok. You win. He is on his third team because he is one of the greatest of all times. He has posted a career 77.1 QB rating, because he is actually pretty darn good.

Look, I am not trying to rain on your parade. I am sure you are a great guy and I know if we were talking to each other in person instead of a message board that the tone would be different.

I can only speak for myself. I firmly believe that Drew Bledsoe is a QB who can not get you over the hump. I have never been impressed by him. I will be the first to admit my standards for QBs are pretty high.

Who said he was one of the greatest of all time? Or even great?

The funny thing is that all you Bledsoe bashers are the ones using those words.

All of us who are saying to back off him because it's just one game are merely saying he's proven to be a quality QB over the years and this game was not the norm.

Make your points, but don't keep making up things that aren't there.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Who said he was one of the greatest of all time? Or even great?

The funny thing is that all you Bledsoe bashers are the ones using those words.

All of us who are saying to back off him because it's just one game are merely saying he's proven to be a quality QB over the years and this game was not the norm.

Make your points, but don't keep making up things that aren't there.

I gotta call foul here. Typically, the way it works on this board is, those who are big Bledsoe supporters tout the fact that he has put up Hall of Fame numbers regardless of wins/losses. Those who are against say that he has big numbers but also big sacks, TOs and very average QB ratios.

 

[JMead]

To the OP.

:laugh1:

 

[gbrittain]

Who said he was one of the greatest of all time? Or even great?

The funny thing is that all you Bledsoe bashers are the ones using those words.

All of us who are saying to back off him because it's just one game are merely saying he's proven to be a quality QB over the years and this game was not the norm.

Make your points, but don't keep making up things that aren't there.

Go read your on post where you said we are essentially putting Bledsoe in the Carter and Harrington mold. I never said that, you did.

And by the way you are new here. Go do a search on the words Drew Bledsoe and Hall of Fame. You have already called someone a fair weather fan when you did not know what you were talking about. I realize you came back and corrected it, but there is history on this board before you showed up.

 

[AdamJT13]

And Troy Hambrick didnt need a great o-line or QB either for that matter cause he rushed for a buck 27 and a buck 89 in a couple games in '03.

That would be irrelevant if the offensive line was opening holes for him that day. It could be a case of him running well when he had great blocking and not runnign well when he didn't. That wouldn't be surprising, it would be normal. However, if he did have games when he ran well despite poor blocking, then it would be factual to say he didn't need great blocking to perform.

In Bledsoe's case, he typically performs better with better protection, as does almost every other quarterback. But he has performed very well in some games when he has had poor protection (much worse protection than he had yesterday), so it's simply inaccurate to say that he "needs a great offensive line to perform."

 

[Stautner]

Go read your on post where you said we are essentially putting Bledsoe in the Carter and Harrington mold. I never said that, you did.

I said those of you who said he sucks and has always sucked - if you didn't say that then i wasn't referring to you.

The truth of the matter is that Bledsoe doesn't suck and never has - that's crap.

He also isn't an alltime great.

He is merely a solid, successful QB who has proven that over many years.

And Sunday was one game. If that continues then he should be replaced. If he pulls it together and plays well and we win games Bledsoe should continue to play. It's that simple, but one game is way to quick to judge.

 

[Cbz40]

And I am saying that w/our OL Drew Bledsoe just may not be the QB we need starting.


Lets wait and see........so how long do we wait and see???

2 more loses, 3,4,.....???


OK I'll wait and see. :bang2:

 

[gbrittain]

I said those of you who said he sucks and has always sucked - if you didn't say that then i wasn't referring to you.

The truth of the matter is that Bledsoe doesn't suck and never has - that's crap.

He also isn't an alltime great.

He is merely a solid, successful QB who has proven that over many years.

And Sunday was one game. If that continues then he should be replaced. If he pulls it together and plays well and we win games Bledsoe should continue to play. It's that simple, but one game is way to quick to judge.

I think I used the word sucked. The term is relative. I would not put him in the Leaf and Carter category.

I will put in the "will never win a Super Bowl in Dallas" category and that is all I really care about.

 

[DipChit]

All you Bledsoe bashers are taking things out of context. I don't see many who are calling Bledsoe a "great" QB, but he has been a solid/strong QB for a long time.

None of us are putting him in a category with Elway, Montana, etc.... that would be unfair and false.

But you guys who say he sucks and has always sucked are essentially putting him in a category with Quincy and Harrington and others of that nature - which is much more unfair and false.

I will be happy to see Romo get his chance when he finally does - I've been supporting Romo probably long before most of you jumped on the bandwagon. But you don't throw a guy away after one game.

The difference is that Bledsoe has earned his stripes, while Romo hasn't. Obviously there comes a time when the youngster has to get his chance, and if Bledsoe continues to play poorly then i will jump right in with you screaming for it.

And dont get me wrong. Im not at all totally disgusted that he's our QB.. particularly as you said, after the other stooges we've trotted out for the last 5 years who had no business at all being the purposely chosen starting QB for an NFL team.

Unlike those guys I think he would at least have a chance to help get you to the show. But you better have a lot of other pieces in place. Which again brings us back to the o-line. And not just for his sake when he's dropping back, but for the sake of having a truly effective running game to help keep the pressure off as well.

I guess some guys wont be satisfied until we have the next Aikman type. Thats fine. It doesnt take that for me.. not in this day and age when guys like McNair, Chris Chandler, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Kerry Collins, Rich Gannon, Jake Delhomme, Hasselbeck, even Big Ben for that matter at this stage of his career.. have all mangaed to be a starting QB in SB's.

 

[Stautner]

And I am saying that w/our OL Drew Bledsoe just may not be the QB we need starting.


Lets wait and see........so how long do we wait and see???

2 more loses, 3,4,.....???


OK I'll wait and see. :bang2:

I wholeheartedly agree - he may not be the QB we need starting. But if the criteria is that the QB can never have a bad game then we will never have a QB that is worth starting.

Parcells named a starter and made it clear that there was no competition for the job. Obviously that changes if Bledsoe doesn't get the job done.

Whether that's after 2 games or 5 games or 8 games is up to Parcells, but obviously it depends on how bad Bledsoe is and how many bad games he has and how successful the team is. The history of sports tells you that one bad game isn't enough to displant a starter with a proven history. You go with the odds until you decide other factors have changed the odds.

 

[gbrittain]

And I am saying that w/our OL Drew Bledsoe just may not be the QB we need starting.


Lets wait and see........so how long do we wait and see???

2 more loses, 3,4,.....???


OK I'll wait and see. :bang2:

It is more like you will wait and see again.

 

[Seven]

I gotta call foul here. Typically, the way it works on this board is, those who are big Bledsoe supporters tout the fact that he has put up Hall of Fame numbers regardless of wins/losses. Those who are against say that he has big numbers but also big sacks, TOs and very average QB ratios.

Then here are those supporters, myself included, that do not need to spout the HOF and the huge number gig. We just want him to succeed cause he's steering our ship right now. We care about the wins, the people around him and a gameplan that makes them all successful. When I think of Aikman I don't do numbers. I think of the dive into the endzone. The surgeon like precision. His leadership skills. (and of course the infamous 30 yard slant. )

"Hi, my name is 7 & and I 've liked Bledsoe for 15 years now."

 

[Stautner]

I think I used the word sucked. The term is relative. I would not put him in the Leaf and Carter category.

I will put in the "will never win a Super Bowl in Dallas" category and that is all I really care about.

I can accept that, and i don't necessarily disagree with it, though I personally believe that it is possible for Bledsoe to win the super bowl - history tells us that a star QB isn't an absolute requirement. But I do believe it takes a damn good supporting cast to make it happen, both on offense and defense, and I'm not sure we are in that situation. If, however, the defense ever reaches the potential many think it has that could change.

Frankly, I'm looking forward to seeing what Romo can do - he will get his chance.

 

[gbrittain]

I can accept that, and i don't necessarily disagree with it, though I personally believe that it is possible for Bledsoe to win the super bowl - history tells us that a star QB isn't an absolute requirement. But I do believe it takes a damn good supporting cast to make it happen, both on offense and defense, and I'm not sure we are in that situation. If, however, the defense ever reaches the potential many think it has that could change.

Frankly, I'm looking forward to seeing what Romo can do - he will get his chance.

I can not disagree with you at all. It is not impossible for Bledsoe to win a Super Bowl in Dallas, but Dallas needs to get 2000 Ravenesque on D.

I too want to see Romo, but in due time and if Bledsoe makes it absolutely necessary due to continued poor play.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I think I used the word sucked. The term is relative. I would not put him in the Leaf and Carter category.

I will put in the "will never win a Super Bowl in Dallas" category and that is all I really care about.

Only two QBs have ever won SBs for Dallas so him not being in that category and in the will never win a SB in Dallas category is not saying much about him either way.

 

[Cbz40]

I wholeheartedly agree - he may not be the QB we need starting. But if the criteria is that the QB can never have a bad game then we will never have a QB that is worth starting.

Parcells named a starter and made it clear that there was no competition for the job. Obviously that changes if Bledsoe doesn't get the job done.

Whether that's after 2 games or 5 games or 8 games is up to Parcells, but obviously it depends on how bad Bledsoe is and how many bad games he has and how successful the team is. The history of sports tells you that one bad game isn't enough to displant a starter with a proven history. You go with the odds until you decide other factors have changed the odds.

I agree "one bad game" does not make or break a QB. I'm not voicing my opinion based on one bad game and I don't think anyone else is either. I guess last season doesn't count???? What about the Oakland Game? I know it was the 2nd game of the season, the Seattle game, the Washington game (2nd), The NY Game (2nd).

Blame it all on the OL...OK. Maybe he can't function behind this line....I rest my case.

Let's give him a few more chances...I'm willing to do that but the eject cord is getting shorter by the minute.

 

[CowboyManDan]

These types of conversations or arguments or whatever you want to call it about Bledsoe needing a great offensive line happen every year from all three teams he's been on. That's a trend...and it's because SOME of it is true.

Quite frankly it's something the staff is aware of and is why the free agent offensive line aqusitions have been guards (rivera and kosier), to protect Bledsoe in the middle.

It's hard for the big fans of Bledsoe to admit. Just like it was hard for me to admit when Aikman showed his flaws and declined in his later years. It's not fun. But like I've said from the moment we signed Bledsoe, his best years are behind him...he'll still have some good games this year, but longterm, unfrotunatly it's only going to get worse.

 

[jimmy40]

And that's why he isnt a premier Qb in this league. He has some great flashes but is to inconsistant. people tend to look at the Oline to blame for all teh problems, but honeslty I think after 3 different teams and all their Olines being terrible I'm starting to not buy into that crap.

This is reality. Bledsoe is much to slow to be a above average QB. And I'm not talking about after the 3-5 step drop back or his 40 time. I'm talking about he's all around to slow to be a Good QB Consistantly.

He hands the ball off MUCH to SLow and when he does drop back he sits there, he doesnt adjust take a side step move forward accurately. He's just to damn slow and he makes everyone look worse then they really are.

And what bothers me even more is that we play to his weakness. Why dont we use the shotgun more? Why in the world do we never pitch the ball off to the RB?

Get this Offense faster and sharper..I hate seing Bledsoe take 3 steps in 6 seconds and then look lost...I'm all for Romo if he continues this bad play.



With that said. I do have to say Bledsoe did have a bad game and he has played very well in the past. I'm just alittle ticked off. So lets hope he turns it around.

I can't freaking believe I'm going to take up for Bledsoe but I saw another QB on the field that's slower than Bledsoe and reaches back to yesterday to throw the ball and needs more time than even Bledsoe to get rid of it. He got that time. I don't think it's fair that Bledsoe is getting so much blame. I do think he sucks and COULD play this bad on his own though.