It's Sean Jones time!

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SLATEmosphere;2664343 said:
The guy aways had 5 seconds to cover DB's..of course he got beat..most SS do when there's no pass rush. 14 picks in 3 years gives you some insight. I've seen him play probably a dozen times and think he's a solid player. He's not spectacular, but you put him on a great,QB pressuring defense like we have, the potential is endless.
thats what I was feeling too.:bow:
 

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GOLDENCHILD1688;2664327 said:
he really isnt people are just going crazy cause he has 14 picks

i read up on him and several writers all said he got burnt repeatedly in coverage last yr and lended little help to the teams young corners

they said he also had a hard time at times in gms wrapping up defenders.

he doesnt sound like anything special. most of the people on here going crazy over him hardly saw him play, if they did they wouldve seeen all of this

I saw him play almost every game at UGA. He was a good player. I've seen him a few times since with Cleveland and he always played pretty well. he's had at least one season with well over 100 tackles, and he was never a bad tackler at UGA.

It's not just the 14 picks in 3 yrs either. He had 16 passes defensed one season, and double digits another season. He gets his hands on the football.
 

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dallasfaniac;2664486 said:
Roy Williams has had some pretty good stats too. Just saying.

Roy Williams was a great player at one point too.
 

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dbair1967;2664492 said:
Roy Williams was a great player at one point too.

Until he got this bad wrap that he can't cover, similar to what the Cleveland beat writers are suggesting.....
 

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Romo2Roy4six;2664244 said:
any updates on him. I would like him for the right price.

I don't think his contract demands will be all that reasonable.

dallasfaniac;2664494 said:
Until he got this bad wrap that he can't cover, similar to what the Cleveland beat writers are suggesting.....

Is it a bad rap if he really can't cover?
 

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dallasfaniac;2664494 said:
Until he got this bad wrap that he can't cover, similar to what the Cleveland beat writers are suggesting.....

Only he was never "bad" at it his first few yrs in the league

There's a reason he was rated by pro personnel people as the top safety in football for a couple of yrs.
 

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Spin it however you want, the point is the Browns are letting him go and reports by those that watch every game are he is bad in coverage. Some that were very quick to dismiss stats supporting Roy Williams are very quick to accept them to support Jones. I just find it funny how the grass is always greener...
 

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dallasfaniac;2664529 said:
Spin it however you want, the point is the Browns are letting him go and reports by those that watch every game are he is bad in coverage. Some that were very quick to dismiss stats supporting Roy Williams are very quick to accept them to support Jones. I just find it funny how the grass is always greener...

I dont see how anyone can dismiss stats like ints and passes defensed...there's only so many times a guy can get "lucky" back there

Roy was a dominant player his first 2-3 yrs in the league. Sean Jones is not at that level, but he'd be a nice add.
 

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I have no problem with people wanting to add players because I have a list that I would like to add, I am merely amused that stats were ignored and JFE's opinions supported as fact when it involved Roy, but with Sean Jones facts are the truth and the beat writer's opinion is ignored.
 

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dallasfaniac;2664542 said:
I have no problem with people wanting to add players because I have a list that I would like to add, I am merely amused that stats were ignored and JFE's opinions supported as fact when it involved Roy, but with Sean Jones facts are the truth and the beat writer's opinion is ignored.

I was never one of those that dismissed Roy's stats.

I have no clue what happened to him, but if we had the Roy of his first 3 yrs in THIS defense, we'd really be set.
 

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Vintage;2659716 said:
Or we could draft a S.

Unless we can draft Sean Smith, I say fill the hole with free agency and plug depth holes through the draft. We don't have a high pick this year.
 

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dallasfaniac;2664529 said:
Spin it however you want, the point is the Browns are letting him go and reports by those that watch every game are he is bad in coverage. Some that were very quick to dismiss stats supporting Roy Williams are very quick to accept them to support Jones. I just find it funny how the grass is always greener...

Well he did manage to come up with four picks last year in twelve games, after a minor knee operation. Maybe he didn't cover as well as the past, however at least he has an excuse since he had surgery right after the Cowboys game, so he wasn't completely healthy unlike Roy who is just fat and lazy. It's also funny that the Cleveland media was lamenting the loss of Jones as devastating early in the season, but now that he is on his way out suddenly useless. The guy has a great work ethic and a solid leader, that alone is an upgrade over the bag of donuts in the guise of #38.
 

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Well, Todd Grantham is on our staff and he used to be their DC so if he's not lobbying for him I certainly wouldn't.
 

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AKATheRake;2664884 said:
Well, Todd Grantham is on our staff and he used to be their DC so if he's not lobbying for him I certainly wouldn't.

How do we know he is not? Maybe it's simply a matter of economics, his agent is demanding big dollars and the Cowboys cannot afford to pay, especially with Roy Blubber on the books.
 

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Oh_Canada;2664895 said:
How do we know he is not? Maybe it's simply a matter of economics, his agent is demanding big dollars and the Cowboys cannot afford to pay, especially with Roy Blubber on the books.

Well, before FA started I heard Brookings name come about. Even a touch of Kitna while the playoffs were still going. Other than fans, no Sean Jones. Can't be for sure but I think they are more focused on what to do with Roy period than any other safety right now. I think Jerry wants to keep him but he has to do something with his contract. I'm sure Jerry is looking to cut him down about $2 million a year just like we would save if we let him go against the cap.

Roy was killing teams when he was in the box so teams forced him into coverage and he was actually good his first few years. But with no Woody to help prepare him his coverage skills and drive went out the door. I don't think Sean Jones is better than Roy in either regard actually. I rather do a swap with Al in Oakland for Michael Huff if this is how we are gong to think. Maybe a change of scenery will get the kid back on track.
 

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Canadian BoyzFan;2659659 said:
You probably won't find a better opinion on SJ than what Terry Pluto wrote for The Plain Dealer...


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The Browns wisely declined to tag safety Sean Jones a "franchise" player, meaning he'd be paid about $6.3 million. Instead, he will be a free agent at the end of the month. The more I watch Jones, the less I know about him -- other than he seems very average. When healthy, he's a strong tackler against the run. But he had knee surgery early last season, missing four games and that seemed to cost him mobility. He never was an asset on pass coverage. After four seasons and 60 games with the Browns, is there any reason to think Jones will be anything more than just OK? How much salary cap do you commit to Jones? In my mind, not a lot.

The biggest argument in favor of keeping Jones is the Browns have no one else to take his spot. In 2007, he was on the field for 98 percent of the snaps. He played every game in his first three seasons, before 2008. He is reliable and a solid locker-room guy. But the safety combination of Jones and Brodney Pool was nearly as much of a problem in the secondary as young cornerbacks Eric Wright and Brandon McDonald last season. They certainly didn't seem to give those kids on the corner a lot of help -- and Jones has especially been vulnerable defending tight ends over the years.
Sounds like a certain #38 that we have on the roster now!
 
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