It's Sean Jones time!

[JBS]

Daaaaaaaang! No he did not!!He went way back on ya! He busted out witten dominating pop warner in 96.Oooooooh. :laugh2:

 

[Apollo Creed]

Remind me again, how many ints and passes defensed did our safeties have last yr?

No clue. Hamlin had 5 the year before last, most of them gifts though.

Our entire secondary has been allergic to interceptions and making plays. Hopefully the guy we draft has some ball skills.

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

Nice fight going on from the North!!!

This notion of struggling against top TE's is a fallacy:

2008 vs top TE's

vs. Witten 6/96... this was prior to his surgery which he admitted should have been done before season.

vs. LJ Smith 2/13

vs Dallas Clark 2/24

vs Cooley 4/32

vs Scaife 1/22

vs Heath Miller 5/55

vs Todd Heap 0/0

I would hardly call those numbers impressive.

Straight cross to the chin of CBF!

Actually my butt has a few other things to say:

2008 vs top TE's

vs. Witten 6/96... this was prior to his surgery which he admitted should have been done before season. Sure fair enough.

vs. LJ Smith 2/13 ( a blowout Philly win were the corners were abused). Although he made a nice interception on DeSean Jackson throwing the ball. LOL.

vs Dallas Clark 2/24 –The whole D played great. Good game for sure here.

vs Cooley 4/32 Portis ran for 175 yards. Just saying.

vs Scaife 1/22 Hardly a top end TE. Crumpler also had 20 yards. The running game went for over 200 yards. They didn’t exactly have to chuck the ball around.

vs Heath Miller 5/55 NFL.com highlights (Jones gets burnt by W Parker at 0:16. At 0:26 a Miller completion. Another blowout 31-0.

vs Todd Heap 0/0 (Check out the highlights at 1:48 missed tackle on Rice- for a TD) Pretty sure he misses the tackle at 2:30 as well.

You convenient omitted the Denver game:
Tony Scheffler had 4 for 92. At 2:50 he can't wrap up Hillis for a key 4th and 1 conversion.

Oh my! CBF counters with a left hook to the temple to Oh C! What a match we have going on in here! Canada's finest going at it for the free agent SS title!!!:laugh2:

 

[Oh_Canada]

Actually my butt has a few other things to say:

2008 vs top TE's

vs. Witten 6/96... this was prior to his surgery which he admitted should have been done before season. Sure fair enough.

vs. LJ Smith 2/13 ( a blowout Philly win were the corners were abused). Although he made a nice interception on DeSean Jackson throwing the ball. LOL.

vs Dallas Clark 2/24 –The whole D played great. Good game for sure here.

vs Cooley 4/32 Portis ran for 175 yards. Just saying.

vs Scaife 1/22 Hardly a top end TE. Crumpler also had 20 yards. The running game went for over 200 yards. They didn’t exactly have to chuck the ball around.

vs Heath Miller 5/55 NFL.com highlights (Jones gets burnt by W Parker at 0:16. At 0:26 a Miller completion. Another blowout 31-0.

vs Todd Heap 0/0 (Check out the highlights at 1:48 missed tackle on Rice- for a TD) Pretty sure he misses the tackle at 2:30 as well.

You convenient omitted the Denver game:
Tony Scheffler had 4 for 92. At 2:50 he can't wrap up Hillis for a key 4th and 1 conversion.

Wow amazing...pointing out two missed tackles in an entire season....and I am not going through all the footage to pick this apart. However, I did look at the Steeler game for ****s and giggles.

The Parker td was a direct result of a missed tackle that belonged to Andra Davis. Maybe Jones could have taken a better angle....but that was clearly on Davis. Pointing out the catch by Miller just tells me how these stats are misleading, since he wasn't even convering him on the first catch (Jason Wright)....the second shows he was clearly in zone coverage and came up to hit Miller the second he touched the ball.

Bo Scaife....caught 58 balls last year btw.

So are you also blaming him for his front seven inability to stop the run as well...man I think that is a little harsh....never said the guy was superman.

Funny how when the team plays great so does Jones...what exactly does that tell you?

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

Wow amazing...pointing out two missed tackles in an entire season....and I am not going through all the footage to pick this apart. However, I did look at the Steeler game for ****s and giggles.

The Parker td was a direct result of a missed tackle that belonged to Andra Davis. Maybe Jones could have taken a better angle....but that was clearly on Davis. Pointing out the catch by Miller just tells me how these stats are misleading, since he wasn't even convering him on the first catch (Jason Wright)....the second shows he was clearly in zone coverage and came up to hit Miller the second he touched the ball.

Bo Scaife....caught 58 balls last year btw.

So are you also blaming him for his front seven inability to stop the run as well...man I think that is a little harsh....never said the guy was superman.

Funny how when the team plays great so does Jones...what exactly does that tell you?

Thanks, I am aware of Bo Scaife accomplishments. However, saying he's one of the elite athletic TE's is also a stretch. Besides who else are they going to throw to in Tennesse. This whole point is not relevant as I have tried to allude to already.

Holy crap. Did I say 2 missed tackles is everything. I just found some "highlights" so everyone can see this guy. I thought I said some good and bad things about him. All I hear from you is your "good". I'm trying to be objective, I'd to see more of it from you.

The "I'm right you are wrong" schtick is a little lame. Listen, I'm not looking for some i.fight, I'm too old for that nonsense. I just wanted to take a deper look at the proof you provided. Numbers are often decieving when you don't take time to look deeper.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Thanks, I am aware of Bo Scaife accomplishments. However, saying he's one of the elite athletic TE's is also a stretch. Besides who else are they going to throw to in Tennesse. This whole point is not relevant as I have tried to allude to already.

Holy crap. Did I say 2 missed tackles is everything. I just found some "highlights" so everyone can see this guy. I thought I said some good and bad things about him. All I hear from you is your "good". I'm trying to be objective, I'd to see more of it from you.

The "I'm right you are wrong" schtick is a little lame. Listen, I'm not looking for some i.fight, I'm too old for that nonsense. I just wanted to take a deper look at the proof you provided. Numbers are often decieving when you don't take time to look deeper.

The problem is your not looking deeper...using a couple of clips which most showed that it was the Cleveland 'backers getting burned by tight ends much more than Jones tells me you are trying to prove a case AGAINST him that is without fact. He is an upgrade over our current SS and that includes Roy Flubber...that is all I am trying to point out.

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

The problem is your not looking deeper...using a couple of clips which most showed that it was the Cleveland 'backers getting burned by tight ends much more than Jones tells me you are trying to prove a case AGAINST him that is without fact. He is an upgrade over our current SS and that includes Roy Flubber...that is all I am trying to point out.

I think I've looked plenty deep.

-I've seen a few games and formed my own opinions. Not the best in coverage, decent against the run but tends to miss wrapping up sometimes.
-I've talked to several Cleveland homers and went after opinions with an open mind. Almost 100% of those opinions were more similar to my above assessment.
-I've also read and searched for pretty anything written about the guy. I've provided one of the articles as well.

He's better then Roy, well colour me excited.

Here's some better questions for you.
-What kind contract of contract do you think he will sign?
-What other players are out there to be considered?
-Why wouldn't Cleveland attempt to retain the guy? They didn't seem all choked up about losing him and this is a team with a terrible secondary.


My opinion of him is more about the value he represents vs. the contract he would get vs. other cheaper options. Does that make more sense? I never said he sucks or is garbage or other typical bashing.