It's time for Cowboy fan 'Myth Busting'...

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Fort Bragg, I'm well up on task, condition, and standard. The point is knowing how it all fits together, rather than ownership of a fact or being able to record a virgin statistic in support. That one didn't invent a specific formula doesn't remove the law of physics in it's application. What, YOU wouldn't try to harness the elements in propulsion when trying to take out an enemy? So, using the term of dog or pie hole has some point of elevation then?

You missed the meaning being presented, and instead looked for format. How really elevating by perspective...and to think, you never touched upon premise or application, that DID include direction of full support for Wade Phillips. That was a trilogy prior to this past season, when YEA, Jerry....and then Wade....and then Tony Romo proved out their individual worths. That, although, is part of a transition from back THREE seasons ago. For the record here, when Bill Parcells up and QUIT.

There are still elements of change that will reflect positively and increase the credability of Wade Phillips himself. The least of which has not been his record of wins over the past three seasons. In case the recent element is your stumbling block for a realistic appraisol of effectiveness in him, he has yet to post a LOSING season. Care to now prove his LACK of metal proven out in battle? That is, without going back to eras where the person was conceived and was transitioning in phases of progress towards being the head coach for the Dallas Cowboys.

I don't know, but the last time I saw him, he was walking upright like a normal homosapien...what, you have some new fangled biological evidence that he hasn't proven himself as such?

I must warn you, using your own set of defining criteria, do NOT use ANY statistic, form of measurement, or insight that was not your OWN in origin. That means you were nothing but a stuffed shirt provided by another's laundry service. If that was the true 'meaning' in YOUR posting....:lmao2:
 

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CCBoy;3267512 said:
Fort Bragg, I'm well up on task, condition, and standard. The point is knowing how it all fits together, rather than ownership of a fact or being able to record a virgin statistic in support. That one didn't invent a specific formula doesn't remove the law of physics in it's application. What, YOU wouldn't try to harness the elements in propulsion when trying to take out an enemy? So, using the term of dog or pie hole has some point of elevation then?

You missed the meaning being presented, and instead looked for format. How really elevating by perspective...and to think, you never touched upon premise or application, that DID include direction of full support for Wade Phillips. That was a trilogy prior to this past season, when YEA, Jerry....and then Wade....and then Tony Romo proved out their individual worths. That, although, is part of a transition from back THREE seasons ago. For the record here, when Bill Parcells up and QUIT.

There are still elements of change that will reflect positively and increase the credability of Wade Phillips himself. The least of which has not been his record of wins over the past three seasons. In case the recent element is your stumbling block for a realistic appraisol of effectiveness in him, he has yet to post a LOSING season. Care to now prove his LACK of metal proven out in battle? That is, without going back to eras where the person was conceived and was transitioning in phases of progress towards being the head coach for the Dallas Cowboys.

I don't know, but the last time I saw him, he was walking upright like a normal homosapien...what, you have some new fangled biological evidence that he hasn't proven himself as such?

I must warn you, using your own set of defining criteria, do NOT use ANY statistic, form of measurement, or insight that was not your OWN in origin. That means you were nothing but a stuffed shirt provided by another's laundry service. If that was the true 'meaning' in YOUR posting....:lmao2:

Let's just start with a very basic question. You addressed me as "Fort Bragg" at the beginning of another long drawn out diatribe, which is in of itself a curiosity that I question with guarded pessimism, as perchance the comment was intended to me in the format of familiarity. This point (to which I expound on in a similiar fashion, much like your own) can be simplified with the use of brevity as an example to which your writing style lacks. In other words:

How do you know me?




See how easy that is? :cool:

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CCBoy;3267512 said:
You missed the meaning being presented, and instead looked for format. How really elevating by perspective...and to think, you never touched upon premise or application, that DID include direction of full support for Wade Phillips. That was a trilogy prior to this past season, when YEA, Jerry....and then Wade....and then Tony Romo proved out their individual worths. That, although, is part of a transition from back THREE seasons ago. For the record here, when Bill Parcells up and QUIT.

The bold part is indicative of a great writing style that I find exceptional. So I bow to your excellence. But only to this particular point (and you should know that I missed nothing).
:bow:

The underlined part, questions your logic and how you came to this conclusion.

Know that I will eat you up and spit you out if you think Wade 'proved out his individual worth' this season. You have no basis and you will look clueless in trying to do so.

BTW, it was very silly of you to try to define this post with a mathematical format. Totally unnecessay, and missed the point entirely to which I defended you with as an example.
 

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Mr. Jones is the best owner in NFL history!

Unequivocally YES. Jerry has been the best owner for this team for quite some time. It's been *his position as GM that's come into question for awhile now.

To point, I have given him leeway in this role by supporting his position completely, until now.:mad:
 

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When you project upon others a comparison of your own moods, there is little mental aspect to that transition....now upping the level of introspection as well as sophistication to the level of a franchise owner and GM, that applied logic lacks drasticly devoid of merit.

Since you didn't do your own work, by grabbing some of the many presented statistics as well as comparisons of achievement, then I will provide an article, and see if YOU are able to dissect the GM attributable aspects and give a direction and development from another quote....



Cowboys' Jones wants long-term deal for Miles Austin

Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones said he wants to sign Austin, who played in his first Pro Bowl last week, to a long-term deal. Austin's agent, David Dunn, would like one, too.

The Cowboys could put the highest tender on Austin, worth $3.1 million that would require a team to give up first- and third-round picks as compensation. They made a similar move with Marion Barber before signing him to a long-term deal in 2008.

"I think there's so much uncertainty about everything, both generally and specifically, that it'll take a while," Dunn said. "For now, Miles is just enjoying his time down here."

Todd Archer

That is a discussable element, unlike all that you have presented up to here...
but it involves establishing, not upon individual perception, but accomplished standards that can be taken to topic and developed. Miles Austin was one of the reasons that the GM, Jerry Jones, chose the direction that he took when considering team direction about this time LAST season. Jerry made a franchise decision as to direction and how to arrive there. That is the task of the GM.

What, you are saying that the path through this previous 'desert' was coursed by Wade? It took Wade all the way to the New Orleans game to unshackle the chains that had been put about him from his start two seasons ago....but of course, you assumed that I was just to osmosis some of this knowledge from yourself, right? Wade was given a set situation on the offensive side of the ball, with both TO AND Jason Garrett. Jason has improved quite a bit, but don't kid yourself here, Wade was handcuffed by how the coaching staff functioned as well as it's limits prior to full developments within that very group itself. As the defense was led to Wade, so did the movement of the team as well. That only brings us up to the present time frame, but there is implied a bredth of considerations and indicators that aren't anywhere near the negative maze that you have presented. In the initiating posts...there was laid an aspect of the three years that Wade has actually been at the leadership top of the Dallas Cowboys. These very times have been transitionary as well as strengthening the credability of both the coaching staff itself, as well as the talents and projections coming to the players also....but that is discussion. So, assume your challenge, and present an analysis of the presented article above on Austin, and let's get a real discussion going....not just kicking around attitude or grabbing a bucket and tossing about tar, for rowdies can always find a cohart or drunk that has access to a pillow for feathers to match that achievement level....
 

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When you can take the pebble from CC's hand, it will be time for you to leave this thread.

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CCBoy;3267026 said:
*[I'll preface this that my posting is really a TV mini series in length. It's not the Cliff Notes version favored by many fans. I won't apologize for it's length, as a more thorough rendering of topic was my intent. Sorry for it's length, so please allow me to post seven pages before starting your comments...thanks]


All right, this fan has put up with fellow 'fans' for some time now...and generally it was a one directional call to arms against any and all Cowboy fans who did not embrace a wholesale onslaught of insult and demeaning of the terms involved with anything directly related to responsibility or production on the carpet itself. This was elevated to a full blown and grass root's 'support' of the team to include outright degradation of all so called rose-colored wearing fans that did not want to go so far as being a true rebel and provide funds to erect a billboard directly accross from the New Stadium and from it's vantage insult the very top level involved in the franchise itself. These insult hurlers wanted nothing less than the immediate removal of Jerry Jones himself, as GM of his own team. They would settle for nothing less to give any credability to the illustrious organization or those fans who followed them due to what they had done in the past and the demonstrated more recent events in that same franchise.

No matter what was presented to this self appointed keepers of the grand vision, they, and 'they' know who YOU are....would have nothing to do with analytical analysis. They would always substitute an insult driven and personal vindication of their own pleasure limiting blinders instead. They never stopped short of a humiliating and stereotyped attack against anyone not first proclaiming Jerry Jones as a fumbling ingrate; Wade Phillips as a delapidated and defeated overreaching bowl of jelly; and a total lack of 'guts' in a whole roster of players. NO, it NEVER ended short of a tar and feathering, and usually, an attempt to run such diversive elements as simple fans telling it like what they saw....off 'Cowboy' sites or insulting with the NEW social low level of cultivation. They called them idiots, retards, and childish for sticking to the actual presentation of a differing view of developments and actual trends taking effect even as those proclaimed that in fact there was NOTHING ever to occur until (1) Jerry Jones was no longer anywhere near actual participation in football decisions; (2) Wade Phillips was removed from any function on a coaching staff of the Dallas Cowboys; (3) there was just too little actual talent on the offense after TO's departure, to propell the Cowboys into a realistic competition against NFC East Rivals in New York and Philadelphia; and (4) there just was too little talent left on the defense after Dallas allowed such elements as Chris Canty, Anthony Henry, Kevin Burnett, and Greg Ellis to depart.

The myths of gloom strongly thrived on such elements of association as Jerry wandered into the Dallas scene totally unprepared and blind in his dealings from the start. He was supposedly a non-football person who relied upon Jimmy Johnson's ability to discern talent and forge direction for both he and the franchise. Through a transition of ownership, all blame was thrown at Jerry for the end of Tom Landry's time at the head of a vastly changed team in a NFL that had started a new direction in talent and applications as well.

Just to get things back in a realistic perspective, let's just look at what the picture of Jerry in an executive capacity should be described as such:


*(taken from the official Dallas Cowboys site)

Executive Profile

In one of the most dramatic eras of ownership in professional sports, Jerry Jones's stewardship of the Dallas Cowboys has brought unprecedented results and success to one of the world's most visible sports entities.

Highlighted by Super Bowl victories following the 1992, 1993 and 1995 seasons, Jones became the first owner in NFL history to guide his team to three league championships in his first seven years of ownership.

In 1995, Dallas also became the first team in NFL history to win three Super Bowls in four seasons while tying the NFL record for most Super Bowl victories by an organization with five.

By 1999, the first decade of Jones's ownership closed with eight playoff appearances, six division titles, four conference championship game appearances and three world crowns. Dallas closed the millennium as the NFL's "Team of the Decade" for the 1990s.

Since he took over as general manager in 1989, the Cowboys have drafted 17 different players who have gone on to appear in a combined total of 63 Pro Bowls. Dallas has also signed four veteran free agent players who have made 13 Pro Bowl appearances while representing the Dallas Cowboys. Since 1989, the Cowboys have made 97 trades, the most celebrated of which was the 1989 deal that sent Herschel Walker to the Minnesota Vikings and provided the personnel foundation for three league titles.

In selecting the on-the-field leadership for the Cowboys, Jones hired a pair of coaches who won three Super Bowls in Dallas: Jimmy Johnson (1992-1993) and Barry Switzer (1995). Chan Gailey followed with a division title and playoff appearances in 1998 and 1999. In 2003, Jones successfully recruited two-time Super Bowl winner Bill Parcells to Dallas, and Parcells then directed the team to a 10-6 record and a return to the playoffs in his first year on the job. In the last 27 years, 26 different owners have entered the National Football League. Of that group, only Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft of New England have guided their franchises to more than two Super Bowl championships. Moreover, Jones joins Art Rooney, Jack Kent Cooke, Al Davis, Eddie DeBartolo and Kraft as the only men to have won at least three Super Bowls as NFL owners.

On the league front, he has actively contributed to enhancing the NFL's status as the world's premier professional sports league by serving on the NFL's Competition Committee, the Broadcast Committee, the Management Council Executive Committee and the Business Ventures Committee. His vision in the areas of marketing, corporate sponsorships, television, stadium management and community service has made a visible imprint on the landscape of sports in America.

As a co-captain of the 1964 National Championship Arkansas Razorbacks, Jones is one of a very small number of NFL owners who actually earned a significant level of success as a football player. Jones is currently living his passion by engineering the fortunes of an NFL franchise. A man of varied interests who will not rest on yesterday's achievements, he is a dedicated businessman and family man sharing a vivid enthusiasm for both.

The Dallas Business Journal picked Jerry as the 2010 Business Man of the Year....and describes his progression as follows:

A Cowboy to the Core
by Chad Eric Watt Jan 04 2010


Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has changed the NFL game with his maverick moves and Texas-size ambitions.

A win is a win.

That’s the message Jerry Jones is trying to convey to the media swarming around him in the Dallas Cowboys’ locker room.

It’s November, and his first-place NFL football franchise has just defeated the lowly Washington Commanders 7-6, scoring the game’s sole touchdown on a 10-yard pass with 2:41 left to play.

Jones didn’t throw the ball, catch the pass, or call the play. He hasn’t strapped on football gear in 45 years.

Yet, he’s about to hold court.

“It’s a real, real statement for this team to have won this football game,” said Jones, shifting effortlessly into the babble typically reserved for star players and coaches in post-game press conferences.

In any other locker room, the owner would have been way out of place. But the players don’t seem to notice, and the coaches don’t protest.

This 67-year-old owner is in his natural position. In the spotlight, in his suite, on the sideline, and in the locker room—every aspect of the Cowboys’ business is Jerry Jones’ business.

Ultimately, Jones can’t control whether the team wins or loses on the field, but he can make it into an efficient moneymaking machine—and he has, in every way imaginable. From his innovative approach to marketing the team to the one-of-a-kind fan experience he created with the opening of Cowboys Stadium at the start of this season, Jones’ impact on the NFL cannot be overstated. And, after more than 20 years in North Texas, during which time he has been a leading supporter of the Salvation Army, his impact on the region extends well beyond his team. That’s why the Dallas Business Journal has picked him as our Executive of the Year for 2010.

The Dallas Cowboys’ $1.2 billion stadium will help the football club add more than $360 million to the company’s top line for the 2009 season. But, regardless of the arena, Jones has built the iconic Dallas Cowboys into a lucrative and seemingly recession-resistant business that’s standing strong in the face of the worst recession since he bought the team.

The team sold all the suites in the new stadium, albeit some on a single-game basis. The recession’s biggest impact on the football club is that, as of mid-December, it hadn’t sold naming rights for the venue.

Still, the Dallas Cowboys are the most valuable franchise in the National Football League, and neck and neck with Britain’s Manchester United soccer club for being the most valuable sports business on the planet.

Jones was a millionaire when he bought the Cowboys. Rebuilding the team made him a billionaire and enabled him to create a billion-dollar arena for the team (with a little help from the people in Arlington).


A Maverick From the Start

The most hands-on owner in the NFL first became known as the rich Arkansas oilman who bought the Dallas Cowboys and immediately fired its beloved head coach to hire his college teammate.

At the same time he was bringing change to the Dallas Cowboys he also was bringing change to the National Football League.

“No one handed us an operating manual,” Jones said, referring to how his team should be run.

Visiting with other owners, Jones could get a sense of how other teams were doing it. But, even 20 years later, he marvels more at the things they weren’t doing at the time.

“You couldn’t find a team that was involved in stadiums,” Jones recalls. And few teams did anything special with their brands.
Is that you Jerry?....
 

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CCBoy;3268083 said:
What, you are saying that the path through this previous 'desert' was coursed by Wade? It took Wade all the way to the New Orleans game to unshackle the chains that had been put about him from his start two seasons ago....but of course, you assumed that I was just to osmosis some of this knowledge from yourself, right? Wade was given a set situation on the offensive side of the ball, with both TO AND Jason Garrett. Jason has improved quite a bit, but don't kid yourself here, Wade was handcuffed by how the coaching staff functioned as well as it's limits prior to full developments within that very group itself. As the defense was led to Wade, so did the movement of the team as well. That only brings us up to the present time frame, but there is implied a bredth of considerations and indicators that aren't anywhere near the negative maze that you have presented. In the initiating posts...there was laid an aspect of the three years that Wade has actually been at the leadership top of the Dallas Cowboys. These very times have been transitionary as well as strengthening the credability of both the coaching staff itself, as well as the talents and projections coming to the players also....but that is discussion. So, assume your challenge, and present an analysis of the presented article above on Austin, and let's get a real discussion going....not just kicking around attitude or grabbing a bucket and tossing about tar, for rowdies can always find a cohart or drunk that has access to a pillow for feathers to match that achievement level....

"Chicks dig me, because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's usually something unusual. But now I know why I have always lost women to guys like you. I mean, it's not just the uniform. It's the stories that you tell. So much fun and imagination." ;)
 

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Draegerman;3268179 said:
"Chicks dig me, because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's usually something unusual. But now I know why I have always lost women to guys like you. I mean, it's not just the uniform. It's the stories that you tell. So much fun and imagination." ;)

You're mad at him for being winded? I wish more people would take the time to put together historical, insightful and educational articles. I find that brief articles often lack depth. I also found nothing wrong with the post and I found it to be strung together rather nicely with some of his own quotes. One thing he could have done was use italics to distinguish his quotes from his own writing.

But I found it to be probably the best read on the board. Hey, it's the off-season. If you can't use your imagination and creativity, you'll lose it.

I mean, if you're a fan like me, you'll really lose it. :bang2:

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[yawn] I suppose CCBoy deserves a little more than just a silly quote from "Stripes".

CCBoy;3268083 said:
What, you are saying that the path through this previous 'desert' was coursed by Wade? It took Wade all the way to the New Orleans game to unshackle the chains that had been put about him from his start two seasons ago.

No, I never said that about Wade (but I do dig the Moses reference). Here's what I actually said about Wade, word for word:

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

And it's at this point where I just shoot him. ;)


...but of course, you assumed that I was just to osmosis some of this knowledge from yourself, right?

Why would I assume that? If this was so, then we wouldn't be having this discussion right now, would we? Ya know, like being on the same page and such. To be perfectly honest, I had hoped that you "osmosisfied" some of my knowledge by actually reading my position on Wade in earlier posts.

Wade was given a set situation on the offensive side of the ball, with both TO AND Jason Garrett. Jason has improved quite a bit, but don't kid yourself here, Wade was handcuffed by how the coaching staff functioned as well as it's limits prior to full developments within that very group itself.

And this is why Wade isn't really a head coach. A true head coach would never allow the GM to dictate who his offensive coordinator and assistant coach will be. Even more to the point, a true head coach would never allow said coach to be on equal ground as he, especially at the same pay scale. Also, do not be fooled with "Wade being handcuffed". He knew exactly who he was getting into bed with when he willingly signed the bottom line.

As the defense was led to Wade, so did the movement of the team as well. That only brings us up to the present time frame, but there is implied a bredth of considerations and indicators that aren't anywhere near the negative maze that you have presented.

Fine, you're an optimist and I'm a pessimist but step back over year ago and provide me one true mitigating circumstance that justified keeping Wade on after that debacle in Philly. Just one, that's all I want.

In the initiating posts...there was laid an aspect of the three years that Wade has actually been at the leadership top of the Dallas Cowboys. These very times have been transitionary as well as strengthening the credability of both the coaching staff itself, as well as the talents and projections coming to the players also....but that is discussion.

Aspect in name only but I wasn't being fooled. I lay nearly 90% of the blame at Parcells' feet for how we arrived to this point. Had he only stayed his final year in Dallas he would've reaped the fruit from the seeds he planted. This current situation stinks to high heaven, inasmuch as Switzer taking over from Johnson, except...guess what? That's right, no Superbowls in this equation.

:banghead:

So, assume your challenge, and present an analysis of the presented article above on Austin, and let's get a real discussion going....not just kicking around attitude or grabbing a bucket and tossing about tar, for rowdies can always find a cohart or drunk that has access to a pillow for feathers to match that achievement level....

I deny your challenge on the basis that I agree with it, but it provides absolutely NOTHING in support of Wade.

And that's where my problem lies...
 

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CowboyMcCoy;3268212 said:
You're mad at him for being winded?

Absolutely not and how in the hell did you arrive to this conclusion?

I wish more people would take the time to put together historical, insightful and educational articles. I find that brief articles often lack depth.

I do too but only if it supports all of the author's points. I found none of that in support of Wade, only Jerry.

I also found nothing wrong with the post and I found it to be strung together rather nicely with some of his own quotes. One thing he could have done was use italics to distinguish his quotes from his own writing.

Pardon me while I bust a rib from laughing so much,:lmao:

Let's take a look at one example provided to us sincerely by the author's hand:

All right, this fan has put up with fellow 'fans' for some time now...and generally it was a one directional call to arms against any and all Cowboy fans who did not embrace a wholesale onslaught of insult and demeaning of the terms involved with anything directly related to responsibility or production on the carpet itself. This was elevated to a full blown and grass root's 'support' of the team to include outright degradation of all so called rose-colored wearing fans that did not want to go so far as being a true rebel and provide funds to erect a billboard directly accross from the New Stadium and from it's vantage insult the very top level involved in the franchise itself. These insult hurlers wanted nothing less than the immediate removal of Jerry Jones himself, as GM of his own team. They would settle for nothing less to give any credability to the illustrious organization or those fans who followed them due to what they had done in the past and the demonstrated more recent events in that same franchise.

So what you're telling me is that you understand this paragraph perfectly? You didn't find it a bit wordy at all? Was it succinct and concise or do you think that the author may have taken the long way around in making his point?

When I was actively persuing my G-E-D from MIT, I remembered an English major telling me that the road to successful writing was paved with your ability to write like you talk. *Please note: This is only pertinent to my point provided that the writer is an educated person.

But I found it to be probably the best read on the board. Hey, it's the off-season. If you can't use your imagination and creativity, you'll lose it.

Good for you but I must ask, are you referring to the author's comments or do you mean the articles he provided?
 

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Draegerman;3268305 said:
Absolutely not and how in the hell did you arrive to this conclusion?



I do too but only if it supports all of the author's points. I found none of that in support of Wade, only Jerry.



Pardon me while I bust a rib from laughing so much,:lmao:

Let's take a look at one example provided to us sincerely by the author's hand:



So what you're telling me is that you understand this paragraph perfectly? You didn't find it a bit wordy at all? Was it succinct and concise or do you think that the author may have taken the long way around in making his point?

When I was actively persuing my G-E-D from MIT, I remembered an English major telling me that the road to successful writing was paved with your ability to write like you talk. *Please note: This is only pertinent to my point provided that the writer is an educated person.



Good for you but I must ask, are you referring to the author's comments or do you mean the articles he provided?

I was saying the articles he provided made for a good, linear read. Sorry, I disagree. There were some spelling mistakes and a few awkward sentences, yes. But if you can see through that to what he was trying to do then that's your prerogative. I thought it was a good read if you like reading about the Cowboys. I enjoyed it. I'm sorry you didn't.
 

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Draegerman;3268179 said:
"Chicks dig me, because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's usually something unusual. But now I know why I have always lost women to guys like you. I mean, it's not just the uniform. It's the stories that you tell. So much fun and imagination." ;)
That's the fact Jack!
 

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big dog cowboy;3268318 said:
That's the fact Jack!

Captain Stillman: Well, explain yourselves.
Dewey Oxburger: Well sir, we were going to this bingo parlor at the YMCA, well one after another things got all fouled up and we ended up...
Captain Stillman: Shut up.
Dewey Oxburger: Okay, Sir.
 

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CowboyMcCoy;3268312 said:
I was saying the articles he provided made for a good, linear read. Sorry, I disagree. There were some spelling mistakes and a few awkward sentences, yes. But if you can see through that to what he was trying to do then that's your prerogative. I thought it was a good read if you like reading about the Cowboys. I enjoyed it. I'm sorry you didn't.

That's not quite true, I did enjoy most of it (which is why I defended him to another poster). But there were more than just a few sentences he wrote that screamed brevity, and I was only trying to help. I make a point to only provide constructive criticism in hopes that it will make the author a better writer - but this rule only applies to grammar and not with football points made in this forum.

Frankly speaking, I still hate Wade but will reluctantly join the masses in acquiescing.
 

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big dog cowboy;3268318 said:
That's the fact Jack!

Cut it out! Cut it out! Cut it out! The hell's the matter with you? Stupid! We're all very different people. We're not Watusi. We're not Spartans. We're Americans, with a capital 'A', huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts! Here's proof: his nose is cold! But there's no animal that's more faithful, that's more loyal, more loveable than the mutt. Who saw "Old Yeller?" Who cried when Old Yeller got shot at the end?

Nobody cried when Old Yeller got shot? I'm sure.

I cried my eyes out. So we're all dogfaces, we're all very, very different, but there is one thing that we all have in common: we were all stupid enough to enlist in the Army. We're mutants. There's something wrong with us, something very, very wrong with us. Something seriously wrong with us - we're soldiers. But we're American soldiers! We've been kicking *** for 200 years! We're 10 and 1! Now we don't have to worry about whether or not we practiced. We don't have to worry about whether Captain Stillman wants to have us hung. All we have to do is to be the great American fighting soldier that is inside each one of us. Now do what I do, and say what I say. And make me proud.
 
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