It's time for Zeke to go

RonnieT24

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In the beginning it was a feel-good story, now it's just painful to watch. Zek ducking for cover on a play on the last Cowboy drive against the Steelers was a real head scratcher...........................
He ducked because he realized his route had brought him too close to the receiver who had set up shop on the short middle zone and it looked like Dak was trying to throw the ball to that receiver. I think it was CeeDee.
 

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Yikes...what a waste of a roster space. Him and Deuce Vaughn....pathetic X infinity.
 

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The TLDR version:

Bottom line is that we should be putting that investment in potential...which Zeke's is going down year by year. He wasn't showcased in the preseason because...there's not much to showcase.

Maybe he has one game that reminds you of the ole Zeke, but other than pass blocking and short yardage, he's useless.
I don't think he's quick enough to the hole anymore to be good for short yardage. At this point in their careers, Luepke is a much better short yardage back.
 

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Zeke is not making any money ...... he has not been a progress stopper ...... and he is not complaining about his role.

People complaining about Zeke have problems with him that have nothing to do with football or the team.
That's just completely not true. It's all about football.

The real complaint is that we don't have anything near a starting quality RB on the roster.
 

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I don't think he's quick enough to the hole anymore to be good for short yardage. At this point in their careers, Luepke is a much better short yardage back.
I do wonder if some of Zeke's "slowness" to the hole is his adapting to McCarthy's offense and getting in sync with the line. I also maintain that the mean reason all the backs have mostly struggled has been piss poor run blocking. Up until the second half against the Steelers the Cowboys had been mostly using zone blocking which IMHO absolutely does not suit the hogs we have up front. Once they went to combo blocks and power football the ground game looked a lot better in the second half against the Steelers and I think it would have looked just as good for Zeke as it did Rico if not better. Still Zeke has been given the ball 6 times in short yardage situations (3 yards or less to go ) and he has converted first downs on 5 of them, including 2 for 2 in the last game. Luepke only has 4 carries TOTAL all season so his perceived prowess as a short yardage back is just that.. "perceived." Just to close out the loop Rico has been handed the ball 11 times in those short yard situations and has converted on 8. Not a bad percentage.. but still not as good as Zeke. And Zeke has no goal line fumbles with the game on the line to his credit either!
 

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Most of us knew it was unlikely we would resign Tony Pollard last off-season. Many of us hoped Derrick Henry would be on the radar because he would certainly require less than Pollard. But those dreams died quickly amidst all the cap lies the Jones boys fed us all off-season.

When it was announced back in the spring that a washed up Ezekiel Elliott was headed back to Big D to “shore up” a depleted RB position, I believed unless a miracle happened, Zeke wouldn‘t finish the season a member of the Dallas Cowboys. After five regular season games, I think his Cinderella story has become a pumpkin.

In five regular season games so far this year, Zeke has 30 carries for 98 yards, 3.2 yards per carry. He also has 6 receptions for 35 yards, less than 6 yards per catch. Combined, Zeke has 36 touches for 133 yards. That’s 3.7 yards per touch. Ouch.

There is zero room in the NFL for a sentimental roster spot. It‘s time to let Zeke go with thanks for all his glory days in Dallas. Those glory days left the building a few years ago. We can find another RB somewhere who has 3.2 yards per carry and has some upside.

It‘s time to say goodbye to Zeke.
It was time to really say goodbye in 2022.
 

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That's just completely not true. It's all about football.

The real complaint is that we don't have anything near a starting quality RB on the roster.
No because Zeke is a backup now ..... probably 3rd string.

Nobody complains about the third string guy at any other position.

This is personal to some people ...... nothing to do with the play of a 3rd string guy.
 

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I can't disagree that younger fresher guys might give this team something Zeke no longer can. The question is whether that "thing" will win you more games. The team won 12 games in 2021 with Zeke playing 11 games on one leg.. Then won 12 games with Zeke missing 2 games then playing 8 games on one leg. Then won 12 games with Zeke on the Patriots. Point being, this team has shown it can win games with or without Zeke. They just do it differently with him than without him. And I prefer the way it looked WITH him (when healthy) than without him.

I guess the real crux of the matter for me is whether Zeke can do more with 20 carries than Rico can. I personally think if you give Zeke those 20 carries Rico got against Pittsburgh you get more yards and probably at least one more rushing TD. You also get 3-5 Steeler defenders having to leave the game. But the coaching staff doesn't appear to agree. Maybe they don't like what they see in practice. Maybe Zeke is banged up and they don't want to talk about it. I honestly don't know but to me if we run Zeke 15-20 times using that power blocking scheme we went to in the second half against the Steelers we end up with a lot more than 102 yards as a team. And we establish a legit running game that teams actually have to prepare for. But I have accepted that this team doesn't want to use Zeke and they don't appear to feel like they need to tell us why. Which they don't. I hope they have at least given him the respect to tell HIM why.
Lol Zeke hasn't had a 100 yard game rushing since October of 2021, and he had opportunities, from then until now he had 19 games where he had 15 carries or more and never reached 100 yards. Zeke would absolute waste to give 15 or more carries at this point in his career
 

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I just don’t understand some folks.

All due respect to Zeke. But this situation happens to EVERY RB TO EVER PLAY THE GAME.

Sooner or later they have too many carries on their body and their play falls off a cliff.

It’s not a knock on Zeke. It’s just a reality of life.

I don’t know why some fans can’t just accept it.
Well said.....now while Zeke was taking all the carries (an excessive amount) early in his career, operating on a rookie contract......the board was happy. Fast forward.....Zeke gets paid, plays hurt (knee) for two years, OL decline, a pass happy OC and the Board does a 180 on this board, continuously.

Zeke brought back from NE (similar to a Witten return).....Jerry does nothing to secure a RB1.....and all the board can do is go nuts over Zeke in every game, even while his carries are minimal, at best. Not so sure why this doesn't indict the Front Office?

And to assure the OL decline.....can't wait to see Cook run behind the same line placed on the field. As for Dowdle, a great game against Pitt. But if Dowdle is all that, when will see the 20+ carries, reduced rotation BS, and give him the load. Not so sure why this doesn't indict the Coaching Staff?

I am so glad that wasn't Zeke's fumble that Dak recovered.........Board would have gone berserk.
 

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Most of us knew it was unlikely we would resign Tony Pollard last off-season. Many of us hoped Derrick Henry would be on the radar because he would certainly require less than Pollard. But those dreams died quickly amidst all the cap lies the Jones boys fed us all off-season.

When it was announced back in the spring that a washed up Ezekiel Elliott was headed back to Big D to “shore up” a depleted RB position, I believed unless a miracle happened, Zeke wouldn‘t finish the season a member of the Dallas Cowboys. After five regular season games, I think his Cinderella story has become a pumpkin.

In five regular season games so far this year, Zeke has 30 carries for 98 yards, 3.2 yards per carry. He also has 6 receptions for 35 yards, less than 6 yards per catch. Combined, Zeke has 36 touches for 133 yards. That’s 3.7 yards per touch. Ouch.

There is zero room in the NFL for a sentimental roster spot. It‘s time to let Zeke go with thanks for all his glory days in Dallas. Those glory days left the building a few years ago. We can find another RB somewhere who has 3.2 yards per carry and has some upside.

It‘s time to say goodbye to Zeke.
I think from the Jones view they were talking a 6 million dead hit for a RB so no way Jerry is spending 16 million (his view is 6+10 is 16 million) on a RB by paying Henry top money. Go cheap I expect a 1st round RB taken by Jerry. So many forget Zeke carried the team and Dak and they ran him into the ground, Jerry thinking he can get lightning in a bottle for a year cheap.
 

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If you're going to make me go back and dig it out, I will.

But when this originally came up after signing Cook, I am confident that when I ran the numbers, Cook's fumbles per carry over the last 3 seasons is right at 3X what Zeke's has been.

That's what I call a fumble machine.
That may have been the case but that doesn't mean he's gonna fumble this year I wanna see the guy I wanna see him play I believe he has better vision then Rico and if we're gonna pull Ezekiel Elliott which is what we're talking about vaughn's already lost his spot then let's see cook let's see what he's got... Look I've been watching a lot of film not broke down like a professional but when I look at Rico missed so many bounce step cut back opportunities his vision is below average he's a really solid running back but he's missing that instinctual running that natural running pattern I know I've seen out of dalvin cook no doubt that man would hit some of these bigger holes instead of the one that was called on the field as soon as he took that first step he can see what's about to open instead of just running to play in front of him and that's in my opinion what rico's lacking he just runs the play over the whole or off where it was supposed to go and that's it that's what we're getting from him in my opinion I'm gonna go back to the old saying he's leaving a lot of meat on the bone there's some big holes along that line in other places besides where it's been called.

And I know that players can't always do that and they're not always gonna have the option to do that but he is missing so many opportunities it's getting annoying because we're blaming the offensive line in the play caller and really I'm starting to see it's the lack of instincts by our runners or that they just don't have the skill set to do a bounce cut or extreme cut back on a dime and I think dalvin cook at least gives you that..

But yes please go back and look I mean last year he had limited snaps right we'll go see how many fumbles did he have last year?.
 

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I think from the Jones view they were talking a 6 million dead hit for a RB so no way Jerry is spending 16 million (his view is 6+10 is 16 million) on a RB by paying Henry top money. Go cheap I expect a 1st round RB taken by Jerry. So many forget Zeke carried the team and Dak and they ran him into the ground, Jerry thinking he can get lightning in a bottle for a year cheap.
And this is exactly the kind of thinking that gets most NFL GMs fired.
 

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I do wonder if some of Zeke's "slowness" to the hole is his adapting to McCarthy's offense and getting in sync with the line. I also maintain that the mean reason all the backs have mostly struggled has been piss poor run blocking. Up until the second half against the Steelers the Cowboys had been mostly using zone blocking which IMHO absolutely does not suit the hogs we have up front. Once they went to combo blocks and power football the ground game looked a lot better in the second half against the Steelers and I think it would have looked just as good for Zeke as it did Rico if not better. Still Zeke has been given the ball 6 times in short yardage situations (3 yards or less to go ) and he has converted first downs on 5 of them, including 2 for 2 in the last game. Luepke only has 4 carries TOTAL all season so his perceived prowess as a short yardage back is just that.. "perceived." Just to close out the loop Rico has been handed the ball 11 times in those short yard situations and has converted on 8. Not a bad percentage.. but still not as good as Zeke. And Zeke has no goal line fumbles with the game on the line to his credit either!
Zeke lost the spring in his step due to the corona virus. Hit him really hard. He has simply never gotten it back.
 

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I don't care what Zekes excuses are he has literally hundreds of them. Whatever the excuse the end result is the same. Washed up bum that is only here because of Jerry. Waste of a roster spot. Add the tiny baby coaches son yet another waste of a spot. Got another on the practice squad? Heck no the PS guy is even more washed up but he was great headlines when we signed him for a PS guy.

This team is such a joke.
 

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Zeke lost the spring in his step due to the corona virus. Hit him really hard. He has simply never gotten it back.
a lot of guys have had COVID in the NFL, ZEEK is a product of being warn down by the cowboys, and him getting his money and being a dud
 
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