Jalen Brooks has been very impressive so far

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Let me take a few steps back and clarify my stance on Duece.

Im not a hater. He seems like a great kid. He's worked hard. He had a good college career. Hes tough. Classic under dog story.

My evaluation of Duece is two fold. Does he translate to the NFL and if so, where does he fit?

My obvious take is that he doesn't translate to yhe NFL. Many think he does. Im not rehashing that debate.

So lets focus on your assumption that he does translate. So where does he fit in on this roster?

Im going to over simplify here, but bare with me.

22 starters. 22 backups to those starters. 3 ST only guys. (Kicker, Punter and LS) Thats 47 of your 53 man roster right there. Leaves 6 open spots.

Backups are potential replacements for starters. Younger, cheaper. Guys you're grooming.

Do you see Duece as a fulltime starter, ever, at this level? Even the most staunch supporters of his would most likely say no. If you think he can be, read no further.

Lets now focus on those last 6 spots. We know we keep more than 2 WR and 2 TE. Which is what my first determination was based on. Traditionally we've kept 5 WR with Turpin as the 6th and returner. And we've kept 4 TEs. I'll address TE next, but lets go with 6WR and 3TE for now. So thats an additional 5 spots. Now we do go short on the oline by 1, so lets call it 4 spots. So that leaves 2 remaining. Now if you think Duece replaces Turpin, read no further.

So if you're still reading, we have two spots open at this point.

On defense we go long at DT, Corner and short at LB. Original Defensive numbers for starters were based on 2 DT, 3 LB and 2 corners. If we count Micah as a LB and assume Fowler sticks, that means if we go five LBs that frees up a spot for the 5th DT. But we are still short 1 corner, if we go 5 deep. So that takes away 1 of the remaing 2 spots we had left.

So those that have hung in there to this point, we now have 1 spot available.

This is assuming we have the following:
1. 3 TEs
2. 2 RBs
3. CJ Goodwin as the 5th CB
4. Fowler as the 4th DE
5. Really only 4 LBs as Parsons plays far more DE than LB
6. 9 OL
7. 5 DT

Those are the positions you can play with. Go 8 OL to free up a spot? Cut Goodwin to free one up? Cut Fowler?

Lets assume they don't do that and we still just have 1 spot. Sell me why Duece should get it...

More valuable than a 4th TE? We kept 4 last year. And if we do only keep 3, doesn't it make more sense to keep a guy like Hunter who could possibly play some TE in a pinch?

As a third RB who offers no special teams value, no potential as a true backup. No return ability.

Is he more valuable than a 6th corner? We saw what happened last year being short there.

More valuable than a 6th DT?

I understand he has his fans. But it comes down to actual roster management when it comes to predicting who makes it or not. These iron clad guarantees that he makes this roster are just not based on the real life decisions this team needs to make.

Ive provided my assertions. Based on logic. If you simply want to believe hes a roster lock because he had a good college career, well you probably stopped reading long ago or didn't read this at all.

For those that did, I hope you appreciate the fact that I in no way hate this kid. And if he makes this team I will chear him on the same way I do all players on the team.
dont agree, players like rico and malik seem to hang on and waste this alleged space on rosters without contributing much.. Vaughn will have a bigger role then they did last year, book it..just his use as 5-6 run s and 2-3 pass attempts he will find a niche like guys of the past in Jet and Dunbar..but will be even more effective In many opinions..its NO different then Pollard how many legictate snaps did he get his foirst 2 seasons? yet he made the roaster did he not, well there you go..

Turpin and DV are different players that occupy different positions ones a ST ace with little WR experience but may get some WR snaps this year Deuce has always been a starting RB not ST guy not gadget guy a fulltime player in college, so as a RB who can run and catch he will settle into that role.. they wont be taking the spots from each other.. WR vs RB get it correct..

rather take deuce over low hanging fruit at say WR 4-6 go short there, take DV and utilize his obvious talents.

so stop IM clear as well as others, he wil loo to have role Similar to Pollard did his first 2 season but with better play caller and coaches who wont wait liie KM did to utilize the mans actual talent...
 

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He has been very impressive so far. The receiver position is much stronger this season.
1. Lamb
2. Cooks
3. Gallup
4. Tolbert
5. Turpin
6. Brooks
Much stronger. Brooks is a tough possession type with long arms and great hands.
 

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How does Moreno Cropped have a better chance at cracking the top 3 than Turpin? None of them will unseat Gallup let alone Cooks or Lamb.
Yeah, at this point I keep reminding myself not to rain on the hope parade, but this happens every year when new players look good at the underwear practices.

I do like Moreno, if he can put on at least 10 lbs of muscle. He's also an experienced returner and has played QB previously, so he could be a valuable guy to keep around.
 

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dont agree, players like rico and malik seem to hang on and waste this alleged space on rosters without contributing much.. Vaughn will have a bigger role then they did last year, book it..just his use as 5-6 run s and 2-3 pass attempts he will find a niche like guys of the past in Jet and Dunbar..but will be even more effective In many opinions..its NO different then Pollard how many legictate snaps did he get his foirst 2 seasons? yet he made the roaster did he not, well there you go..

Turpin and DV are different players that occupy different positions ones a ST ace with little WR experience but may get some WR snaps this year Deuce has always been a starting RB not ST guy not gadget guy a fulltime player in college, so as a RB who can run and catch he will settle into that role.. they wont be taking the spots from each other.. WR vs RB get it correct..

rather take deuce over low hanging fruit at say WR 4-6 go short there, take DV and utilize his obvious talents.

so stop IM clear as well as others, he wil loo to have role Similar to Pollard did his first 2 season but with better play caller and coaches who wont wait liie KM did to utilize the mans actual talent...
So you're saying you believe Duece will be RB2 then, if you're projecting him to be as Pollard was.

I just don't ever seeing that as a possibility.
 

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So you're saying you believe Duece will be RB2 then, if you're projecting him to be as Pollard was.

I just don't ever seeing that as a possibility.
POLLARD was LOL like his 1st 2 years, YES. how many touches did he get as rb as rookie umm 86 that 5.3 touches as rb per game and 2nd year 101 ? NOT MANY.. no don't need a designated 2, just part of a RBBC whomever they choose each week as part of that gameplan is active.. so yes i belive you can give DV 5-6 carries a game plus 2 routes. Just ole TP ;)) now if he handles that give him more by mid season..ease him in..

we have big room right now..go deep there let the low hanging fruit at other positions go short. we will know after PS..lets see some games..

carries

tp=15-18
DV-5-6
TBD? 5-6

= total about 30 per game for RBs max isnt that about our average?
 
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So you're saying you believe Duece will be RB2 then, if you're projecting him to be as Pollard was.

I just don't ever seeing that as a possibility.
Looks like the Dallas Cowboys as a team ran 531 times in 17 games that is 31.2 total carries.

so some of those were probably wide receiver jet sweeps, some,where Prescott, and others so imagine running backs are going to do about what I wrote up there. Seems pretty achievable even if it's 25 to the running backs give it up with 15 going to Tony Pollard I could see easily DV getting 5-6..

tp=15-18
DV-5-6
TBD? 5-6
 

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Yeah, at this point I keep reminding myself not to rain on the hope parade, but this happens every year when new players look good at the underwear practices.

I do like Moreno, if he can put on at least 10 lbs of muscle. He's also an experienced returner and has played QB previously, so he could be a valuable guy to keep around.
It really does and yeah I like him a i but you hear about these guys all camp just for them to make PS.
 

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Give me Lamb, Cooks, Brooks, and Durden and/or Moreno-Cropper....Gallup, Tolbert, and Turpin should be set out by the curb for early morning pick-up.


Wow you’re really down on Gallup . Mans made some really nice catches over the course of his career . I’m looking forward to one year removed from knee injury .

Turpin & Fehoko 15 mins are up .
 

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If Brooks keeps playing as well as he has on STs he will make the roster. It's not like our #6 WR is going to get enough snaps on Offense to earn their spot. It's going to be earned running down on kickoffs and punts and he has supposedly been real good at it so far. This is something to watch in the preseason games. If he gets a couple of tackles he's probably on the squad and even more likely if he outplays Fehoko on STs. Bottom of the roster almost always comes down to STs
 

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If Brooks keeps playing as well as he has on STs he will make the roster. It's not like our #6 WR is going to get enough snaps on Offense to earn their spot. It's going to be earned running down on kickoffs and punts and he has supposedly been real good at it so far. This is something to watch in the preseason games. If he gets a couple of tackles he's probably on the squad and even more likely if he outplays Fehoko on STs. Bottom of the roster almost always comes down to STs
I'm pretty ready to move on from Fehoko. Time has changed my opinion of him. He's too much of a sweetheart to play football. And I personally like Brooks and Cropper more.

Year 3, and Simi isn't lighting it up you have to cut him.

Tolbert needs to produce or go on the IR..I suspect several of our WRs to hang around on IR.
 

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He has been very impressive so far. The receiver position is much stronger this season.
1. Lamb
2. Cooks
3. Gallup
4. Tolbert
5. Turpin
6. Brooks
I don’t think we carry 6 but if he shows enough he could force them to consider it. If he could do returns it would be perfect
 

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All the WR look better, they have a way better understanding of what is being asked of them now....thats a good thing
 

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Fehoko better show up in preseason, I know we're not seeing full practices, but judging from these random tweets, that roster spot is slipping away. You don't even see a player worthy of a practice squad spot at this point. You can find WRs who drop the ball anywhere. lol
 

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Cut day 3 weeks from tomorrow.. should be very interesting. I'm sure we'll see some surprises, not just here but league wide.
 

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Meanwhile the RB position is pretty thin..
It could be viewed that way, but right now it's mostly clouded with uncertainty. I'm certainly not convinced we have it covered as well as we would like, but there is still a lot to find out
 
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