Jalen Ramsey is Quentin Jammer

[JD_KaPow]

Yet, Sherman was a 5th round pick (smart drafting by the Seahawks -- good value).
If Seattle can find a Sherman in the 5th round, why cannot Dallas find a similar player in that round--it is called maximizing your picks.

Because players like that in the 5th round are exceedingly rare and pretty much completely unpredictable.

Revis selected no. 14 in the 2007 draft (Patrick Wills, Marshwan Lynch, Adrian Peterson, Calvin Johnson, & Joe Thomas all picked before Revis).

Point its ~ value at 4 elevates the required results/worth for the #4 pick.
Shutdown corner/cover safety, interception machine, aggressive hitter, forced fumbles, team leader, ball-hawk, etc, -- he at least, at a minimum should have the impact of the likes of Sean Taylor (#5 selection in the 2004 draft).

Sean Taylor at a minimum? I'm continually amazed at the overblown expectations people have for the draft.

 

[Wood]

I'm assuming a lot of folks on this board are from Texas which is why I find it curious that no one has noted the obvious parallels between these two players. Nearly identical builds and forty times, both hyped as athletic corners that could translate well at safety.

How did that work out? Yes, Jammer played for 11 seasons but no one would accuse him of being anything other than a middle of the road defensive back. I'll be so excited if we pass on the next Emmitt Smith for the next Quentin Jammer! And then the Ramsey crowd can explain to us how taking a RB at #4 was too high and that losing Murray had no tangible impact on this team whatsoever! Exciting times ahead.

I don't see similarity. From what I remember Jammer was press corner who excelled at jamming receivers coming out of college. Ramsey is more of a rover due to extreme athleticism and can probably play 3 different positions. People really under-rate Ramsey ability to blitz and get to QB. Jammer never had his speed in space.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Again for me, I don't feel a need to tear down either player to have a value discussion.

I believe both players have the potential to be very good to great.

For me it comes down to:

One is value @ 4 and one is not.
One is @ a position of need one is not.

If you want Zeke then trade down get him @ a value price and pick up picks to address the D.

If Boys don't take him @ 4 he will fall to the 8-10 range.

That should tell you what you need to know about value.

But I would still take BPA @ a position of need @ 4.

I don't think you can trade down and still get Zeke. There are teams right behind us that could very well take him.

 

[boysfanindc]

I don't think you can trade down and still get Zeke. There are teams right behind us that could very well take him.

He will be there @ 8-10.

 

[coogrfan]

What are those same numbers for lets say DB's selected in the top 5 since 1995?

http://pfref.com/tiny/CduVZ

 

[bsheeern]

http://pfref.com/tiny/CduVZ

Nice. Thank you!!

 

[Tobal]

I'm assuming a lot of folks on this board are from Texas which is why I find it curious that no one has noted the obvious parallels between these two players. Nearly identical builds and forty times, both hyped as athletic corners that could translate well at safety.

How did that work out? Yes, Jammer played for 11 seasons but no one would accuse him of being anything other than a middle of the road defensive back. I'll be so excited if we pass on the next Emmitt Smith for the next Quentin Jammer! And then the Ramsey crowd can explain to us how taking a RB at #4 was too high and that losing Murray had no tangible impact on this team whatsoever! Exciting times ahead.

Jammer was not in the same world athletically as Ramsey.

 

[Leadbelly]

Jammer's too far back for me to remember his college play, but there's a lot more Dee Milliner in Ramsey's game than I like (injuries aside).

Also, just listening to Ramsey and watching his body language, he's got a CB mentality - good and bad. He's not going to play FS willingly. He'll do it in college where they don't get paid (ostensibly), but not in the NFL happily. Players say the right things before the draft, but I will be very surprised if that selflessness translates to the NFL. The difference between a top CB and a top FS is around $20mm over the course of a contract.

If he's a FS on this level, it'll be because he didn't work out at CB first. If you put him at FS before trying him at CB, he's going to spend his entire first contract telling his agent he should be a CB and expect to use that Franchise tag in the future. He sees himself as a CB. Make peace with that or don't draft him.

This isn't HS and College football, where players have no power or representation.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Jammer's too far back for me to remember his college play, but there's a lot more Dee Milliner in Ramsey's game than I like (injuries aside).

Also, just listening to Ramsey and watching his body language, he's got a CB mentality - good and bad. He's not going to play FS willingly. He'll do it in college where they don't get paid (ostensibly), but not in the NFL happily. Players say the right things before the draft, but I will be very surprised if that selflessness translates to the NFL. The difference between a top CB and a top FS is around $20mm over the course of a contract.

If he's a FS on this level, it'll be because he didn't work out at CB first. If you put him at FS before trying him at CB, he's going to spend his entire first contract telling his agent he should be a CB and expect to use that Franchise tag in the future. He sees himself as a CB. Make peace with that or don't draft him.

This isn't HS and College football, where players have no power or representation.

This is a legit observation. You have to want him as a CB (which I think we do).

 

[NeonNinja]

Someone needs attention.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I would hate to miss out on Zeke, by trading down to 10, then having some Jack Wagon pick him at 7,8.... all in the name of picking up an extra 3rd?

I don't know. We have the 4 pickle spot. Lets not over think, or outsmart ourselves.

We have built an awesome OL.
Romo has 2 left.
Romo needs to be standing for the entire season or we are done.
Romo needs to be fresh going into the playoffs....
The Cowboys were a strong team when we took on the attitude and persona of a tough runner in 2014. Murray broke all time Cowboys records....
Numbers aren't the entire picture. Just a piece. Cowboys win when they have a strong talented RB.......

And once again. We have built and awesome OL and Romo has 2 left.....and is fragile. Draft Zeke!

Whatever they do, it should be a good draft. Its been a long time since we have had the 4th pickle spot.....!

 

[Thatkidbob]

“I don’t like many excuses or anything, but it was a run,” Ramsey said. “There were linemen downfield, the quarterback pulled the ball…and I read run. It should’ve been a penalty but it wasn’t.”

I really like his explanation on the play.

Sounds like a pretty cerebral player.

 

[lostar2009]

Ramsey is the next Alan Ball, mark it down folks.

Wow !!! LOL

 

[dcowboysfan76]

I was looking for the sarcasm emoji but couldn't find one at the end of this post. Is there an invisible sarcasm emoji?

 

[Dorsett33]

You do realize a move from 4 to 8 is worth 400 points which is roughly a mid 2nd round pick?

I'm aware of it. But....you get cute sometimes...you miss out. That's all I'm saying. If the man you want is there at 4.....you get him. Especially if you know there are others drafting close behind you can jump in front of you and get him. If we get a 2nd and still get our guy...I'm all for it. But, let's not get cute. Did I say, let's not get cute about it?

 

[Iago33]

He didn't make a definitive projection on either.
He is concerned that Ramsey may just end up being average while Zeke is great....I am not sold on either and I have concerns both ways. As fans we should all be concerned that we will pick the guy that is the bust and all wish we didn't miss on the other...or maybe no one is a bust...

The point is rude comments intended to shut down opinions or any meaningful discussions should not be encouraged. It's fine and welcomed to disagree. Most people who create a post want others to disagree...but the rudeness isn't what we should be doing over differing opinions...

Jalen Ramsey is Quentin Jammer is not a definitive statement? Maybe a more civil conversation would follow a post that said, "Guys, I'm worried Jalen Ramsey may turn out like Jammer...."

 

[boysfanindc]

I'm aware of it. But....you get cute sometimes...you miss out. That's all I'm saying. If the man you want is there at 4.....you get him. Especially if you know there are others drafting close behind you can jump in front of you and get him. If we get a 2nd and still get our guy...I'm all for it. But, let's not get cute. Did I say, let's not get cute about it?

I thought you said Sheez, like it was the dumbest thing you had ever heard of to get value for you pics.

 

[superonyx]

Jalen Ramsey is Quentin Jammer is not a definitive statement? Maybe a more civil conversation would follow a post that said, "Guys, I'm worried Jalen Ramsey may turn out like Jammer...."

Perhaps you are right.
Perhaps we can generally acknowledge that any post anyone makes on this board is just the opinion of a group of fans....unless the OP knows that Ramsey is in fact Quintin Jammer.....then we are talking some weird crap.
When you read a posters opinion of a player don't you know that its just their opinion and no matter how matter of factly (if that was a word), they give their opinion its still just a fans opinion.

It seems that in order to not be attacked these days all opinions have to be expressed with careful considerations to ensure everyone understands its just your opinion and not an actual fact you are stating.
I would imagine the default assumption would be that the poster knows that he is giving his opinion. Unless of course he tells us that he is somehow more informed that the rest of us fans....then we should be asking for their resume.
Fair enough...... you are correct though. Regardless of how things should be...this is the way they are.

 

[Dorsett33]

I thought you said Sheez, like it was the dumbest thing you had ever heard of to get value for you pics.

No....everyone has an opinion. My sheesh is for people to calm down. The sky is not falling.

 

[iceberg]

I'm assuming a lot of folks on this board are from Texas which is why I find it curious that no one has noted the obvious parallels between these two players. Nearly identical builds and forty times, both hyped as athletic corners that could translate well at safety.

How did that work out? Yes, Jammer played for 11 seasons but no one would accuse him of being anything other than a middle of the road defensive back. I'll be so excited if we pass on the next Emmitt Smith for the next Quentin Jammer! And then the Ramsey crowd can explain to us how taking a RB at #4 was too high and that losing Murray had no tangible impact on this team whatsoever! Exciting times ahead.

so because you don't like ramsey, you pull out a not so flattering but not really damning comparison and go AH HA!!!!! LETS AVOID THIS!!!!

agendas suck.