Jamarcus Russell will be a bust in my opinion

[Angus]

Angus stated that Vince Young should change the way people view quarterbacks. It's in plain English for you to see.

Sorry, but win-loss is a poor way to judge a QB's performance.

Don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Anyone stupid enough to claim that Quinn did not play well in big games is one that only looks at stats. BQ for the most part this last season played as well as any QB can when he is getting very lousy blocking from his O line. Sound familiar? Georgia Tech was pretty good- BQ did what it took to win the game. For those who for some STUPID reason keep using the service academies as excuses: Ask Boston College about Navy; Ask Tennessee about Air Force. And BQ took his team down the field in the final minute to beat UCLA. Ask USC about UCLA's defense. Russel could be a top NFL QB. I do not thing comparing him to Culpepper (who really only has had one great year) is doing him any favors. Cunningham might be more of a comparison. Russell had a great line and a great Defense this year. How often did he have to come from behind? BQ had to come from behind in 10 games this year; he succeeded in 7 of them. Last year, by the way, his game when ND almost (and should have except for that little PUSH) beat the #1 team in the nation was just about perfect. SO he has played as well as a QB can in big games - he did quite well against the #1 Defense last year against OHIO STATE - that game was a lot closer then the score looked. ND's lousy defense that gives up big plays all day (sound familiar again?) lost it for them. Outside of a few, just about all the experts say BQ will go in the top 5. Which is about right.
WIth all the mistakes the Raiders have made in the last 5 years, it would not be all that great a mark for Russell to be picked by them.

Quinn has as much potential as Russell to be a bust.

And just because you happened to have the luxury of being the QB on an extremely talented team, doesn't mean, you as the QB are without talent as well.

I am not sure about "that game was closer then the scored looked" as I guess that is up to the eye of the beholder, but clearly Ohio State dominated the Irish, Ginn especially had a field day. That has nothing to do with Brady Quinn, but he was the QB for that team and if they would have won, he would great credit, so it is only fair he takes some of the blame with a rout as well.

- Mike G.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Angus stated that Vince Young should change the way people view quarterbacks. It's in plain English for you to see.

Sorry, but win-loss is a poor way to judge a QB's performance.

I am going to just steal one your quotes in this thread as I think it is the most appropriate:

Obviously that's the opinion you started with and nothing is changing your mind.

- Mike G.

 

[theogt]

Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm not.

The emergence of Vince young should disabuse folks of the idea that form and mechanics are the most influential in determining whether a quarterback prospect will be really good

 

[theogt]

I am going to just steal one your quotes in this thread as I think it is the most appropriate:



- Mike G.

That's kinda silly since I didnt' start a thread with the stated purpose of eliciting opinion.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

That's kinda silly since I didnt' start a thread with the stated purpose of eliciting opinion.

Which is the reason why I only quoted the bolded portion:

Obviously that's the opinion you started with and nothing is changing your mind. Did you start the thread to elicit opinions or as a soapbox for yours? I suspect the latter.

- Mike G.

 

[baj1dallas]

Aside from that fact that he's a better physical speciman than Quinn, he had a better comp.%, a better QB rating and a better YPA than Quinn playing against better defenses week in/week out in a decidedly more QB unfriendly offense. Also unlike Quinn, he played well in big games.

I'm astounded anyone could call him "Quincy Carter", and wonder what in the world they're looking at to make that comparison (certainly not his 68% completion percentage and 167 QB rating). Quinn actually had more problems with accuracy. I wonder why he's not compared to Quincy Carter?

lol do you really wonder at that, or do you already know why?

Anyway Russell impressed the heck out of me this season. I thought he had a good, high release, a monster body and arm, and great accuracy under pressure. I really have no idea what people don't like about him other than he didn't go to Notre Dame or a northern school. And that he's black. I think he compares pretty favourably to Daunte Culpepper who managed to do pretty good in Minnesota. I can't think of anybody else who looks that strong and accurate under pressure. I thought Russell did a good job on both short and middle range passes although I didn't see much throwing deep on his part. I wouldn't be surprised if he was able to start as a rookie and finish the season strongly.

I think Quinn is the much more likely to bust. Quinn is not accurate on the move or under pressure. He folds in big games. He seems to force the ball and often got bailed out by great catches.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Jamarcus Russell vs Florida: 24-41 - 228 yards - 1 TD 3 INTs.

vs Auburn: 20-35 - 269 Yards - 0 TD 0 INTs.

Probably the 2 best defenses he saw all year.

Jamarcus just dont lose the game.

And against the three best teams Quinn faced last year (USC, Mich, LSU) he couldn't even crack a 50% completion rate against any of them.

So tell me again why Russell is the one with accuracy problems.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by Angus
The emergence of Vince young should disabuse folks of the idea that form and mechanics are the most influential in determining whether a quarterback prospect will be really good

dumbest post of the year

 

[CATCH17]

And against the three best teams Quinn faced last year (USC, Mich, LSU) he couldn't even crack a 50% completion rate against any of them.

Completion rate basically means nothing. Hell Mark Brunell can get a high completion rate.

 

[ron jeremy]

I've watched every single game Jemarcus Russell has played at LSU. My conclusion... He's on par with Rohan Davey who was QB a few years ago and is no longer in the NFL. He'll have the strongest arm in the NFL, but he's not very mobile and he will be a turnover machine, ala Aaron Brooks. I still can't get over the fact that LSU lost to a mediocre Auburn team 7-3. The #1 overall pick in the NFL doesn't lead his team to 3 points in a big game. Jemarcus also played with 2 future 1st round receivers in Bowe and Early Doucet in a couple of years. He's gonna be a bust, mark my words.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Completion rate basically means nothing. Hell Mark Brunell can get a high completion rate.

Can he do it at a 9.1 ypa clip?

Football Outsiders did an analysis of the leading projection indicators of what differentiates quarterbacks who make it in the league vs. busts drafted in the top two rounds in the last 10 years. The two biggest indicators were completion percentage and games started in college.

Of course, that's just merely based on reams of historical data ... I'm sure it doesn't hold a candle to your mountain of evidence that you're about to throw my way.

Or in lieu of evidence, a "stats mean nothing" post will suffice.

 

[joseephuss]

Russell does not remind me of Quincy Carter at all. He reminds me more of Big Ben Roethilsberger except with a stronger arm. Both can move well in the pocket and are hard to sack. They can buy time before flinging it down field. I don't think Russell is much like Culpepper because Culpepper runs the ball way better than Russell. Duante is also a more accurate passer.

 

[Hostile]

Russell does not remind me of Quincy Carter at all. He reminds me more of Big Ben Roethilsberger except with a stronger arm. Both can move well in the pocket and are hard to sack. They can buy time before flinging it down field. I don't think Russell is much like Culpepper because Culpepper runs the ball way better than Russell. Duante is also a more accurate passer.

I agree with this post.

I like Russell a lot. I just don't think he's the best QB prospect, so I wouldn't take him overall number 1. He does fit the Raiders better than Quinn though.

I do not think he will be a bust at all. I just happen to think Quinn is further along as a pro prospect by virtue of playing in an NFL pro set style offense.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

The only reason I think most people believe that is because he hasn't been on the draft radar all season.

People readily admit Quinn's stock dropped, but most think he'll be a fine NFL QB because they've known about him. Russell kind of came out of nowhere, and people don't like that when they're assessing draft picks, especially QBs.

I'd feel a lot more tentative about him if he'd risen after the combine or something. But he did it with his play. I think he'll be a fine QB. He'll be what Leftwich never was.

He's got a much better upside than Leftwich so I agree. His release he no where near as slow!

LSU ran a pro style offense if I'm not mistaken....

 

[Concord]

The Browns would be crazy to let Quinn slip by.

 

[theogt]

Russell does not remind me of Quincy Carter at all. He reminds me more of Big Ben Roethilsberger except with a stronger arm. Both can move well in the pocket and are hard to sack. They can buy time before flinging it down field. I don't think Russell is much like Culpepper because Culpepper runs the ball way better than Russell. Duante is also a more accurate passer.

I'm not sure I agree with this. While Culpepper has historically been a pretty accurate passer, it's not as if Russell isn't. In fact, Russell is very accurate.

 

[Hostile]

I'm not sure I agree with this. While Culpepper has historically been a pretty accurate passer, it's not as if Russell isn't. In fact, Russell is very accurate.

Culpepper holds the NCAA record with 73.6% his final year.

 

[joseephuss]

I'm not sure I agree with this. While Culpepper has historically been a pretty accurate passer, it's not as if Russell isn't. In fact, Russell is very accurate.

Russell completed 61.9% in college while Culpepper completes 64.2% of his passes in the pros. It was just a relative comparison. I wasn't saying Russell is not accurate, but Duante has proven himself at the pro level.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Call me crazy but I think Cleveland will draft someone like hometown hero what's his name from Ohio State in like the 2nd round....