Jared Allen to visit Cowboys

[Stash]

but playing with seattle doesn't give either a chance to start. Melton probably wants a starting job so does Allen. I don't think competitors would want to go somewhere just to be a back up. I know there is the chance to win the superbowl and etc is greater but melton is still young he might value starting more. Now allen is at the end of his career so he might value the chance to own a ring over starting most of the game.

I don't think some 'starter' title would be any sort of deal breaker, and, if need be, I think both would be listed as starters in Seattle anyway.

I think it comes down to money first, and chance to win second.

 

[Little Jr]

Wait when did he say he hates dallas ??? Never heard that before

ive heard him on a few occasions. the one i remember specifically was in 2011 when jg called the time out and "iced" the kicker. Allen was on nfl network the next day and they asked about. he laughed and said he loved it. said anytime something bad happens to the cowboys its a good thing and it makes him happy.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Called this a few weeks ago, was one of my options in replacing Ware if he was cut. I believe it was my primary one.

I'm all for a 2/3 year deal that is relatively low money. 3 yr, 14m. I may even go for a 2 year, 11m deal. Good stop-gap at DL. Can't replace 4 d-linemen in one off-season.

 

[perrykemp]

Is Allen a better player at this point than Hatcher was? I'd much rather have inside pass rush than pass rush from the edge.

I'm cool with them signing Allen if he gets less than Hatcher did.

If they pay more than they paid for Hatcher then the Cowboys are just exchanging one aging pass rusher for another.

 

[perrykemp]

Called this a few weeks ago, was one of my options in replacing Ware if he was cut. I believe it was my primary one.

I'm all for a 2/3 year deal that is relatively low money. 3 yr, 14m. I may even go for a 2 year, 11m deal. Good stop-gap at DL. Can't replace 4 d-linemen in one off-season.

Can Allen be had for that little?

4-3 DE Peppers went for 3y/$30m with $8.5 guaranteed. Peppers had 7 sacks last season.
4-3 DE Everson Griffin just signed for 5y/$42m with $20m guaranteed. Griffin had 5 sacks last season.
4-3 DE Demarcus Ware signed for 3y/$30m with $20m guaranteed. Ware had 6 sacks last season.

I know sacks aren't everything, however, what makes you think Allen would get half of what Ware and Peppers got? His production was better than both of them last season.

 

[Doomsday101]

Is Allen a better player at this point than Hatcher was? I'd much rather have inside pass rush than pass rush from the edge.

I'm cool with them signing Allen if he gets less than Hatcher did.

If they pay more than they paid for Hatcher then the Cowboys are just exchanging one aging pass rusher for another.

I guess you have to look at the differance between the avg pay of a DE to that of a DT

 

[Wolfpack]

Seems like you would have to pay Allen more than what you wanted to pay Ware via a restructure (if those reports are true) thus it makes the whole thing seem like a big badly thought out process. This makes sense only if you drink old grandad for breakfast.

 

[perrykemp]

I guess you have to look at the difference between the avg pay of a DE to that of a DT

I guess.

In my simple mind, putting contacts aside for moment, I viewed Hatcher as quite possible the best 4-3 DT in the NFL last season. If not the best -- very near it. Yes I know he is 32, however, he doesn't have a lot of mileage either.

If I had to pick one player for just next season, I'd take Hatcher over Allen.

 

[perrykemp]

Seems like you would have to pay Allen more than what you wanted to pay Ware via a restructure (if those reports are true) thus it makes the whole thing seem like a big badly thought out process. This makes sense only if you drink old grandad for breakfast.

This is what it's starting to feel like to me. Panic.

 

[Doomsday101]

I guess.

In my simple mind, putting contacts aside for moment, I viewed Hatcher as quite possible the best 4-3 DT in the NFL last season. If not the best -- very near it. Yes I know he is 32, however, he doesn't have a lot of mileage either.

If I had to pick one player for just next season, I'd take Hatcher over Allen.

I like Hatcher as well wish we could have kept him but fact is if you want a very good outside rusher aka DE it is not cheap. Dallas may be able to get Allen on a 3 year deal myself I highly doubt we will get Allen signed. If you want to compare apples to apples then look and see what the Cowboys offer Melton

 

[Little Jr]

Seems like you would have to pay Allen more than what you wanted to pay Ware via a restructure (if those reports are true) thus it makes the whole thing seem like a big badly thought out process. This makes sense only if you drink old grandad for breakfast.

i dont think we will have to pay allen the same thing we owed to ware the next 3 years. i think they will over pay for him but i still think it will be less than what we owed to ware over the next 3 years.

 

[bayeslife]

Hate the idea
We should not overpay for Melton or give Allen more than a 1 year deal but chances are we will do both and the usual suspects will rejoice and laud stupid decisions by Jerry and tell us the DL is fixed

It's not my ideal scenario but there's no way you can go into the 2014 season with what we have now on D-line and a rookie.

 

[visionary]

i dont think we will have to pay allen the same thing we owed to ware the next 3 years. i think they will over pay for him but i still think it will be less than what we owed to ware over the next 3 years.

that may be true but what we need to remember is that we had no intention of paying ware that money, that was just monopoly money

so paying these guys less than that is not necessarily a positive

 

[CyberB0b]

By the time all is said and done the Ware restructure may have been the best course of action. Allen wants the kind of money Peppers got.

Crazy how cheap DEs were last year and how expensive they are now. Jerry is terrible at timing the free agent market.

 

[Common Sense]

Crazy how cheap DEs were last year and how expensive they are now. Jerry is terrible at timing the free agent market.

Last year we were going on year three of a basically flat salary cap. This year the cap rose significantly and teams have already been saving up for the carryover provision these last few years. Of course this was going to happen. You would think the Joneses would have a better sense of economics than they do.

 

[mldardy]

I guess.

In my simple mind, putting contacts aside for moment, I viewed Hatcher as quite possible the best 4-3 DT in the NFL last season. If not the best -- very near it. Yes I know he is 32, however, he doesn't have a lot of mileage either.

If I had to pick one player for just next season, I'd take Hatcher over Allen.

Saying Hatcher is possibly the best 4-3 DT in the league last year isn't saying much. He had a career year last year in a contract year and knew this was his last best shot at getting a big money contract. He's never had a year close to last year. Allen has been putting up numbers consistently for years. That's the difference. Let the Commanders overpay for Hatcher. I'm glad we aren't.

 

[Little Jr]

that may be true but what we need to remember is that we had no intention of paying ware that money, that was just monopoly money

so paying these guys less than that is not necessarily a positive

oh i agree we dont need to over pay and i hope we dont.

 

[Common Sense]

Can Allen be had for that little?

4-3 DE Peppers went for 3y/$30m with $8.5 guaranteed. Peppers had 7 sacks last season.
4-3 DE Everson Griffin just signed for 5y/$42m with $20m guaranteed. Griffin had 5 sacks last season.
4-3 DE Demarcus Ware signed for 3y/$30m with $20m guaranteed. Ware had 6 sacks last season.

I know sacks aren't everything, however, what makes you think Allen would get half of what Ware and Peppers got? His production was better than both of them last season.

I would think that a contract somewhere between Peppers' and Ware's would be entirely reasonable for a player of Allen's caliber. DEs who can produce don't come cheap, and it's ludicrous to expect anything else.

 

[Idgit]

At this point, we're just speculating as to who might sign, and for how much. It's pretty easy to retreat to your usual corner and expect that we'll either have improved the team dramatically or we'll be unable to sign either play or will massively overpay. It's just too soon to say. I'd be very happy with either signing (or both) at market rate for the players' production as long as any Allen deal is largely structured to be year-to-year and neither deal is dramatically over market.

 

[Stash]

At this point, we're just speculating as to who might sign, and for how much. It's pretty easy to retreat to your usual corner and expect that we'll either have improved the team dramatically or we'll be unable to sign either play or will massively overpay. It's just too soon to say. I'd be very happy with either signing (or both) at market rate for the players' production as long as any Allen deal is largely structured to be year-to-year and neither deal is dramatically over market.

I'm torn about both deals either way, it's a bit maddening in fact.

I see the pros and cons of signing either or both and I can't decide yet which route is better or worse.

On one hand, we certainly need defensive line help and both fill big needs.

On the other hand, do we want to overpay age and poor character and continue kicking the can down the road?

And I also see a salesman needing to make a big move or two to show the customers that he actually has something to sell.

Not sure yet which side of the fence to stand on.