Jared Allen to visit Cowboys

[visionary]

At this point, we're just speculating as to who might sign, and for how much. It's pretty easy to retreat to your usual corner and expect that we'll either have improved the team dramatically or we'll be unable to sign either play or will massively overpay. It's just too soon to say. I'd be very happy with either signing (or both) at market rate for the players' production as long as any Allen deal is largely structured to be year-to-year and neither deal is dramatically over market.

shouldnt this be in the "Breaking News Zone"?

 

[visionary]

On the other hand, do we want to overpay age and poor character and continue kicking the can down the road?

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you can bet your bottom dollar that whatever the cowboys pay for these guys is what Idgit will claim is the "market rate"

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Can Allen be had for that little?

4-3 DE Peppers went for 3y/$30m with $8.5 guaranteed. Peppers had 7 sacks last season.
4-3 DE Everson Griffin just signed for 5y/$42m with $20m guaranteed. Griffin had 5 sacks last season.
4-3 DE Demarcus Ware signed for 3y/$30m with $20m guaranteed. Ware had 6 sacks last season.

I know sacks aren't everything, however, what makes you think Allen would get half of what Ware and Peppers got? His production was better than both of them last season.

I'm eyeing a contract similar to Peppers, with a higher guarantee.

 

[Alexander]

Ayers has scheduled a visit for Cincinnati. So the field is tightening.

 

[Common Sense]

I'm eyeing a contract similar to Peppers, with a higher guarantee.

Split the difference between Peppers and Ware. 3 years, $30 million, $14.25 million guaranteed. Structure it so that he has moderately low (Say, a guaranteed $4 million or so in the first year) base salaries in 2014 and 2015, then make him a June 1st cut and spread out the remaining $3.4 in dead money over two years. He'll count as much in each of those years as Sean Lissemore is counting now. You'd have to restructure a few more contracts to fit Allen and Melton under the cap, but at this point it's either that or effectively tanking the season. Even a couple of high rookie draft picks won't make this an NFL-caliber defensive line.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Big Daddy approves...

 

[visionary]

Split the difference between Peppers and Ware. 3 years, $30 million, $14.25 million guaranteed. Structure it so that he has moderately low (Say, a guaranteed $4 million or so in the first year) base salaries in 2014 and 2015, then make him a June 1st cut and spread out the remaining $3.4 in dead money over two years. He'll count as much in each of those years as Sean Lissemore is counting now. You'd have to restructure a few more contracts to fit Allen and Melton under the cap, but at this point it's either that or effectively tanking the season. Even a couple of high rookie draft picks won't make this an NFL-caliber defensive line.

yeah, but allen is no sean lissemore

i still remember the days when CZ homers touted lissemore as the second coming

 

[Idgit]

I'm torn about both deals either way, it's a bit maddening in fact.

I see the pros and cons of signing either or both and I can't decide yet which route is better or worse.

On one hand, we certainly need defensive line help and both fill big needs.

On the other hand, do we want to overpay age and poor character and continue kicking the can down the road?

And I also see a salesman needing to make a big move or two to show the customers that he actually has something to sell.

Not sure yet which side of the fence to stand on.

I'm hoping for a deal or deals that pay a lot for a year or two, but don't handcuff us beyond that. That's more likely with Allen than Melton, but even with Melton we should try to absorb the payments up front as much as possible.

We're going to over pay for either guy, there's no getting around it. If we can do it and still maintain some flexibility so we can have a good draft, we pretty much have to do it. We're way too exposed on the DL right now; it's time to pay for our lack of foresight in bringing in a DL early in the draft last year.

 

[Idgit]

yeah, but allen is no sean lissemore

i still remember the days when CZ homers touted lissemore as the second coming

What was wrong with Sean Lissemore now? He was a successful player for us for what he was. We could do with a couple more of those if they're a fit for our current scheme. If we can later flip them for picks, that's a double win.

 

[Idgit]

Big Daddy approves...

That's kind of cool, that he's still commenting on the Cowboys and not necessarily bashing them. I'm bummed that we lost Hatcher. He's still dead to me, though.

 

[WoodysGirl]

That's kind of cool, that he's still commenting on the Cowboys and not necessarily bashing them. I'm bummed that we lost Hatcher. He's still dead to me, though.

I lol'd at this..

He's still a Cowboy at heart, same as Ware.

 

[CyberB0b]

yeah, but allen is no sean lissemore

i still remember the days when CZ homers touted lissemore as the second coming

The sad thing is that he is still counting against our cap.

 

[Idgit]

The sad thing is that he is still counting against our cap.

Why is that sad? That's how dead money works, right? You're going to have dead money when you trade a player.

 

[crashintonickdm]

a deal needs to get done. make most of the money guaranteed. we can't afford not to let him walk out and sign elsewhere.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Big Daddy approves...

I feel so much better now.

 

[Common Sense]

I feel so much better now.

I mean, it was enough for Ben Bass.

 

[Idgit]

I mean, it was enough for Ben Bass.

It was that little bouquet from Hatcher that made Ben Bass a marked man on the dark side of CZ, CS. I'm sure Jared Allen isn't thrilled right now on the damage that single tweet is likely to do to his online reputation among the intelligentsia here.

 

[casmith07]

Jared Allen is 31 years old. Pass.

 

[Wolfpack]

i dont think we will have to pay allen the same thing we owed to ware the next 3 years. i think they will over pay for him but i still think it will be less than what we owed to ware over the next 3 years.

But, they knew what Ware's numbers were going to be years ahead of time. If they thought that those were crazy numbers; then they should have 1) not signed that contract 2) planned on re-structuring and re-signing him 3) draft his replacement a year ahead so you can cut him and not have a hole. They did none of these and now are chasing players of similar to lesser quality to Ware and are going to pay close to what you would have paid him plus all the dead money and not trading him. Its like a loose - loose situation based on not planning ahead.

Typical knee jerk management.

 

[Little Jr]

But, they knew what Ware's numbers were going to be years ahead of time. If they thought that those were crazy numbers; then they should have 1) not signed that contract 2) planned on re-structuring and re-signing him 3) draft his replacement a year ahead so you can cut him and not have a hole. They did none of these and now are chasing players of similar to lesser quality to Ware and are going to pay close to what you would have paid him plus all the dead money and not trading him. Its like a loose - loose situation based on not planning ahead.

Typical knee jerk management.

1. the contract was signed 5 yrs ago. a lot happens in 5 years. 2 and 3 im pretty sure they werent expecting to cut him this time last year. like many im sure they thought he would bounce back in 13.

ill wait until allen signs before i freak out about money they havent gave him yet.