Jarvis Moss as our Draft Choice if we switch to 4-3? (On the other side of Ware)

[LatinMind]

maybe dallas should forget about every other posistion except De and LB for ever and ever

 

[LatinMind]

Agreed.

You're more likely to see the 285lb Hatcher at DE.

i think u'll more likely see 275 lber ellis at De next yr with ware. and hatcher being the primary backup

 

[MichaelWinicki]

i think u'll more likely see 275 lber ellis at De next yr with ware. and hatcher being the primary backup

Well that could be too.

I just don't see us drafting Moss.

 

[theogt]

Well that could be too.

I just don't see us drafting Moss.

It all depends on whether we're staying in a 3-4 or not, of course. Even beyond that it depends on what we do in FA. If we do stay in a 3-4, I'd put Moss right up in the top 3 or 4 most likely picks.

 

[LatinMind]

Well that could be too.

I just don't see us drafting Moss.

me either. i'd much rather dallas draft a guy like adam carriker. or bazuin later in the draft

 

[LatinMind]

It all depends on whether we're staying in a 3-4 or not, of course. Even beyond that it depends on what we do in FA. If we do stay in a 3-4, I'd put Moss right up in the top 3 or 4 most likely picks.

didnt carpenter play the OLb at the end of the yr? why would dallas move him back to the middle and dismiss his play at the outside? that doesnt make any sense at all. if they wanted a ILB they could get one in FA. dallas doesnt need anymore rookies switching posistions. they need verteran leadership

 

[Deputy493]

maybe dallas should forget about every other posistion except De and LB for ever and ever

you're right.

We should draft a TE.

 

[theogt]

didnt carpenter play the OLb at the end of the yr? why would dallas move him back to the middle and dismiss his play at the outside? that doesnt make any sense at all. if they wanted a ILB they could get one in FA. dallas doesnt need anymore rookies switching posistions. they need verteran leadership

Yeah, he played OLB late in the year. That doesn't mean he's best suited for that position or that he needs to say there, though.

Broken record: Move Carp to James's position and draft a real OLB.

 

[scottsp]

Not that I endorse Moss as the pick, because I don't...although coming out of Ryan High School, I prayed he would take his college act to Austin. He was a consensus five-star prospect.

As far as smallish 4-3 ends are concerned, as long those DEs can rush the passer, guys that size work fine. Dallas went with Haley and Tony Tolbert outside.

Still, that means nothing now. I know what Jerry says publically, but we have no earthly idea what scheme runs here next season.

 

[LatinMind]

Yeah, he played OLB late in the year. That doesn't mean he's best suited for that position or that he needs to say there, though.

Broken record: Move Carp to James's position and draft a real OLB.

yup sounds like ur broken record, and it still doesnt sound good

 

[theogt]

yup sounds like ur broken record, and it still doesnt sound good

Nice read. Thanks for posting!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

yup sounds like ur broken record, and it still doesnt sound good

Yep.

Ogt had wood for Lawson... Who sorta sucked this year. At least Carp picked up the pace as the year went on.

 

[theogt]

Yep.

Ogt had wood for Lawson... Who sorta sucked this year. At least Carp picked up the pace as the year went on.

Oh please. It has nothing to do with Lawson. You guys can homer out about Carp being a 3-4 OLB all you want, but he's not fit for the position.

Edit: By the way, I've already stated I was wrong about Lawson's size. He may turn out to be a fine 3-4 OLB, but he's a little too light for my tastes. There were rumors that he couldn't maitain his weight before the draft, but I wrongly dismissed them.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Oh please. It has nothing to do with Lawson. You guys can homer out about Carp being a 3-4 OLB all you want, but he's not fit for the position.

Well when we go back to the 4-3 it won't matter then.

 

[theogt]

Well when we go back to the 4-3 it won't matter then.

That's certainly true. I like Carpenter a lot as a 4-3 linebacker.

See my edit too re: Lawson.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

That's certainly true. I like Carpenter a lot as a 4-3 linebacker.

See my edit too re: Lawson.

BTW I'm impressed you manned up on Lawson.

I think it may save me having to school you on the Cowboy's pick this year.

 

[theogt]

BTW I'm impressed you manned up on Lawson.

I think it may save me having to school you on the Cowboy's pick this year.

Well, there were conflicting reports all over the place about his weight. Some said he naturally gravitated towards 230 and some had him at 250. No one really knew the answer. Given the Ellis move (which none of us knew about at that point) it may have been a better move to not draft a LB at all.

But my main opposition to Carp then was that he doesn't fit the role of a 3-4 OLB. I haven't seen anything since then that makes me think he can fit that role in the future, either.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Well, there were conflicting reports all over the place about his weight. Some said he naturally gravitated towards 230 and some had him at 250. No one really knew the answer. Given the Ellis move (which none of us knew about at that point) it may have been a better move to not draft a LB at all.

But my main opposition to Carp then was that he doesn't fit the role of a 3-4 OLB. I haven't seen anything since then that makes me think he can fit that role in the future, either.

And that may be...

I'm hoping we go back to the 4-3.

 

[SteamedSoup]

i think u'll more likely see 275 lber ellis at De next yr with ware.

I'd be stunned if Ellis comes back as a three-down player, especially in a 4-3 offense where he doesn't line up at LB and get a break from battling 320 pound tackles every play.

With his age and his injury, I think Ellis is going to have to pick a role and run with it. I just can't see him being an all-everything player. Frankly, even without the injury, I wouldn't have been looking for him to keep it up forever anyway.

In my opinion, if we go to the 4-3, either he'll be the pass-rusher on 3rd down or he'll be a responsible guy against the run on 1st and 2nd down.

And some of you might laugh at the idea of him being limited to basically being a run-stopper by only being used on 1st and 2nd down, but if you stop and think about it, it could happen. You certainly can't rule out the possibility that our run defense could suddenly start looking bad if we go with a smaller 4-3 front and if we don't have Zimmer reminding everyone to play the run first (which, I mean, there's a down side to him doing that, but he also did it for a reason -- to stop the run). If we come out and get run on in the first few games, we might be forced into being more responsible on first and second downs.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'd be stunned if Ellis comes back as a three-down player, especially in a 4-3 offense where he doesn't line up at LB and get a break from battling 320 pound tackles every play.

With his age and his injury, I think Ellis is going to have to pick a role and run with it. I just can't see him being an all-everything player. Frankly, even without the injury, I wouldn't have been looking for him to keep it up forever anyway.

In my opinion, if we go to the 4-3, either he'll be the pass-rusher on 3rd down or he'll be a responsible guy against the run on 1st and 2nd down.

And some of you might laugh at the idea of him being limited to basically being a run-stopper by only being used on 1st and 2nd down, but if you stop and think about it, it could happen. You certainly can't rule out the possibility that our run defense could suddenly start looking bad if we go with a smaller 4-3 front and if we don't have Zimmer reminding everyone to play the run first (which, I mean, there's a down side to him doing that, but he also did it for a reason -- to stop the run). If we come out and get run on in the first few games, we might be forced into being more responsible on first and second downs.

Yeah, I can see Ellis being a "Fred Dean" or "Jim Jeffcoat" type of player. Put him in on passing situations and let him rush the passer with Ware and Hatcher and you'll see our pass rush improve considerably.