Jason Garrett and the Cowboys are not credible?

[ShiningStar]

I think that's a tad harsh. 2 of last 3 years with no QB sandwiched in the middle says credible just not good enough in the playoffs.....which has been a recurring problem since 96.

if its been a recurring problem for 20 years, how is that a tad harsh? it should be more than harsh. 20 plus years of failure (not for all teams) is either correct to be harsh or we have to accept that Dallas is like certain teams that their goal is not the SB but just to make money. Which is it?

 

[The Fonz]

There were issues with his time and game management in the Green Bay game. He's still 'learning on the fly'. I like how he's turned the talent over, that's great (though I give McCray more credit for it), but making the playoffs are opportunities. He's failed at all of them. Teams with less skill that ours have made it to the super bowl

He's still learning on the fly? for how long we have to wait?

 

[LittleD]

I too, have no confidense in Garrett in the big games. That GB game, at least in the 1st half, was a coaching fiasco.

So true. He just seems to choke and lose focus in big games. He talks confidence but, doesn't show it with all chips in the middle.

 

[haleyrules]

So true. He just seems to choke and lose focus in big games. He talks confidence but, doesn't show it with all chips in the middle.

To me, Jason has absolutely no feel for the game. He seems like a well educated politician, knows what to say at the right time. When it comes down to making game time, on the field decisions, he doesn't have the natural insights and feel for the situations in front of him to make good decisions. This can not be taught, either its there or it isn't.

 

[haleyrules]

He's still learning on the fly? for how long we have to wait?

Until Jerrel passes on to his reward.

 

[fredp22]

lets turn it around- why should this team be credible?
This biggest part of any team is the coach- 7 years and Garrett has done absolutely nothing. Like Haley said his last playoff game was the worst coached 1st half playoff game I've ever seen. He needs 22 all-stars to be competitive. He still cant play to the other teams weakness. The other team could have db's running around on crutches but to Garrett they are great players that deserve a lot of respect for attempting to play. Landry/Johnson would have been throwing on the GB secondary from the 1st play on. The Cowboy teams of the 70's, 80's or 90's would still have no problem beating our current team with Garrett.

 

[haleyrules]

lets turn it around- why should this team be credible?
This biggest part of any team is the coach- 7 years and Garrett has done absolutely nothing. Like Haley said his last playoff game was the worst coached 1st half playoff game I've ever seen. He needs 22 all-stars to be competitive. He still cant play to the other teams weakness. The other team could have db's running around on crutches but to Garrett they are great players that deserve a lot of respect for attempting to play. Landry/Johnson would have been throwing on the GB secondary from the 1st play on. The Cowboy teams of the 70's, 80's or 90's would still have no problem beating our current team with Garrett.

Amen.

 

[Hardline]

Garrett is the biggest obstical to playoff success. He can't win the playoff chess match agaist opposing coaches.

 

[LittleD]

Garrett is the biggest obstical to playoff success. He can't win the playoff chess match agaist opposing coaches.

I would say this, Jason knows what to say but, not how to really play the game. Football is similar to chess, you have to be able to think and plan 3-7 moves ahead. Bellichick is a master but, Jason is a child. Jerry thought he was hiring his version of Landry but, sadly he got only a paper tiger.

 

[DFWJC]

Wow...we are the 8th winningest team in the last 10 seasons. Doesn't feel like it with all the 8-8 seasons sprinkled in there.

Thank you, Tony Romo!

would have been 3rd or 4th winningest without the 2015 debacle.
Moving on now.

 

[Idgit]

If we're going to just repeat the same arguments without addressing the responses, this discussion can't go anywhere. We've shifted the conversation again from winning to playoff wins, because Garrett does actually win games. We're trying to advance a narrative where his coordinators can coach and Jerry (well, Will McClay) can suddenly get him players and where it's possible to maybe even win it all without a HC. He got lucky because he fell into Tony, I mean, Dak, and we're losing playoff games because of a 'coaching fiasco' we'll only just allude to and not because nobody on the field could stop Aaron Rodgers because, god forbid, we actually do anything more than pay lip service to how limited we are on defense. I think that about covers it, right?

At some point it's a lot easier to just admit, "yeah, the guy can coach, but maybe not as well as some of the best coaches in the league."

 

[Sydla]

Honestly, I might break something if I hear one more person talk about a 7th year head coach still learning or needing to learn on the job.

 

[Doomsday101]

If we're going to just repeat the same arguments without addressing the responses, this discussion can't go anywhere. We've shifted the conversation again from winning to playoff wins, because Garrett does actually win games. We're trying to advance a narrative where his coordinators can coach and Jerry (well, Will McClay) can suddenly get him players and where it's possible to maybe even win it all without a HC. He got lucky because he fell into Tony, I mean, Dak, and we're losing playoff games because of a 'coaching fiasco' we'll only just allude to and not because nobody on the field could stop Aaron Rodgers because, god forbid, we actually do anything more than pay lip service to how limited we are on defense. I think that about covers it, right?

At some point it's a lot easier to just admit, "yeah, the guy can coach, but maybe not as well as some of the best coaches in the league."

The best way to deal with all this is for Jason to lead this team to a championship. I respect the man and I think he has this team moving in the right direction but not my place to convince others, it is Jason job to do that. All I can do as a fan is give him and this team my support.

 

[Sydla]

If we're going to just repeat the same arguments without addressing the responses, this discussion can't go anywhere. We've shifted the conversation again from winning to playoff wins, because Garrett does actually win games. We're trying to advance a narrative where his coordinators can coach and Jerry (well, Will McClay) can suddenly get him players and where it's possible to maybe even win it all without a HC. He got lucky because he fell into Tony, I mean, Dak, and we're losing playoff games because of a 'coaching fiasco' we'll only just allude to and not because nobody on the field could stop Aaron Rodgers because, god forbid, we actually do anything more than pay lip service to how limited we are on defense. I think that about covers it, right?

At some point it's a lot easier to just admit, "yeah, the guy can coach, but maybe not as well as some of the best coaches in the league."

Except there is no real proof right now that the guy "can coach". You have set a much lower bar than other people where in 6 full seasons, he only has a winning record twice and one playoff win. To others, that is simply unacceptable. There have been teams with less talent that has gotten further than Cowboys teams under Garrett.

And typically it's one excuse after another for him. Let's take the GB game. Yes, Rodgers had a great game and we made some mistakes. But anyone denying the coaching failures in that game are simply ignoring reality. For example, a big moment in that game was the Prescott interception where we were driving and had gotten some momentum. Bad pass by Prescott, no doubt. But equally silly was the fact we found out after the game the Packers knew the play was coming because we had run the exact same play out of the same formation weeks earlier in GB. And when you watch the play again, it's clear Hyde knows what is coming. That's a coaching mistake. Not running Elliott more when GB was struggling to stop him was a coaching mistake. Yes, Byron Jones made a huge mistake at the end. Yes, we were limited on defense. But because of that, it doesn't absolve the coaching staff from clear gaffes in that game.

Is it outrageous to demand better from our coaching staff?

 

[Doomsday101]

Except there is no real proof right now that the guy "can coach". You have set a much lower bar than other people where in 6 full seasons, he only has a winning record twice and one playoff win. To others, that is simply unacceptable. There have been teams with less talent that has gotten further than Cowboys teams under Garrett.

And typically it's one excuse after another for him. Let's take the GB game. Yes, Rodgers had a great game and we made some mistakes. But anyone denying the coaching failures in that game are simply ignoring reality. For example, a big moment in that game was the Prescott interception where we were driving and had gotten some momentum. Bad pass by Prescott, no doubt. But equally silly was the fact we found out after the game the Packers knew the play was coming because we had run the exact same play out of the same formation weeks earlier in GB. And when you watch the play again, it's clear Hyde knows what is coming. That's a coaching mistake. Not running Elliott more when GB was struggling to stop him was a coaching mistake. Yes, Byron Jones made a huge mistake at the end. Yes, we were limited on defense. But because of that, it doesn't absolve the coaching staff from clear gaffes in that game.

Is it outrageous to demand better from our coaching staff?

If people graded Belichick career after the 1st 6 years I doubt anyone would claim him greatness. Before people start up this is not a direct comparison of Garrett and Belichick only stating that at the same point in his HC career things did not go well and went 41 and 55 over that period.

As for not running Elliott more they ran him quit a bit early on but when they fell behind 21-3 and were on the verge of getting blown out the Cowboys did take to this air a bit more yet still was running the ball. Hell you don't fricken run the clock out on yourself when you fall behind only a complete idiot would do that. Fact is Dallas went to more passes and got back into the game and had the chance to win.

People want something to complain about but this argument holds no water since Dallas did get back into this game and Dak was on the money with his passes

 

[Sydla]

If people graded Belichick career after the 1st 6 years I doubt anyone would claim him greatness. Before people start up this is not a direct comparison of Garrett and Belichick only stating that at the same point in his HC career things did not go well and went 41 and 55 over that period.

As for not running Elliott more they ran him quit a bit early on but when they fell behind 21-3 and were on the verge of getting blown out the Cowboys did take to this air a bit more yet still was running the ball. Hell you don't fricken run the clock out on yourself when you fall behind only a complete idiot would do that. Fact is Dallas went to more passes and got back into the game and had the chance to win.

People want something to complain about but this argument holds no water since Dallas did get back into this game and Dak was on the money with his passes

First, just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. Dallas did not run Elliott a lot early. Dallas had three drives before the score was 21-3. In those three drives, they ran Elliott 7 times and threw the ball 12 times.

The comparison to Belicheck is a flawed one too. For one, while in Cleveland, Belicheck had to ham and egg it at QB with the likes of Vinny Testaverde, he wasn't given the luxury of being handed a franchise that had a legit, big time franchise QB. Also, in his 7th season, he won a SB. So if you want this comparison to stick, Garrett better do better than spit out a non-playoff season or another early playoff exit this year.

 

[Idgit]

Except there is no real proof right now that the guy "can coach". You have set a much lower bar than other people where in 6 full seasons, he only has a winning record twice and one playoff win. To others, that is simply unacceptable. There have been teams with less talent that has gotten further than Cowboys teams under Garrett.

And typically it's one excuse after another for him. Let's take the GB game. Yes, Rodgers had a great game and we made some mistakes. But anyone denying the coaching failures in that game are simply ignoring reality. For example, a big moment in that game was the Prescott interception where we were driving and had gotten some momentum. Bad pass by Prescott, no doubt. But equally silly was the fact we found out after the game the Packers knew the play was coming because we had run the exact same play out of the same formation weeks earlier in GB. And when you watch the play again, it's clear Hyde knows what is coming. That's a coaching mistake. Not running Elliott more when GB was struggling to stop him was a coaching mistake. Yes, Byron Jones made a huge mistake at the end. Yes, we were limited on defense. But because of that, it doesn't absolve the coaching staff from clear gaffes in that game.

Is it outrageous to demand better from our coaching staff?

He's 10th in the league in terms of active coaches' winning percentage. And we've done that while rebuilding an old roster for several years. There's no way to spin that as 'not credible.'

I don't have a lower bar than anybody. I appear to be one of the few people capable of adjusting expectations for a coach to the talent of his team. Sometimes a guy does a good job to get some teams to .500, believe it or not. I'm willing to put the responsibility where it belongs.

The 'excuse' angle doesn't hold water. It doesn't hold water, because the team has actually been steadily improving. And the improvements have shown up in terms of wins on the field, the age of the roster, and the condition of the salary cap. I'm not making excuses. It's you guys who don't want to acknowledge the improvement. Or if you do, you credit McClay or the coordinators and hope nobody notices that McClay and the coordinators are also big fans of their head coach because the guy actually does know what he's doing.

All coaching staffs make mistakes. Our staff is not perfect. Our staff isn't the best staff in the league. But they're pretty good. They're not the reason we haven't won a championship. And, no, our defense isn't where it needs to be and, yes, that's the reason why the best teams can still beat us in close games. We're not going to beat the best teams until we can field a better pass defense. And we need better players to do that.

Finally, no, it's not outrageous to demand better from the coaching staff. That isn't what the thread is about. The question is whether or not this coaching staff has earned credibility. Is it that outrageous to acknowledge that they actually have performed fairly well relative to the rest of the league?

 

[Idgit]

The best way to deal with all this is for Jason to lead this team to a championship. I respect the man and I think he has this team moving in the right direction but not my place to convince others, it is Jason job to do that. All I can do as a fan is give him and this team my support.

That's the easiest way, anyway. Though there will still be people pretending it happened despite the coach and not because of him.

But people should have more sense that that. They should be able to step back and just acknowledge that we're in a pretty good position *right now* and that that doesn't happen in this league without decent coaching. They won't, because they only want championships, but the question isn't 'do we want more championships.' The question is 'is the staff doing a good job.'

 

[Doomsday101]

First, just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. Dallas did not run Elliott a lot early. Dallas had three drives before the score was 21-3. In those three drives, they ran Elliott 7 times and threw the ball 12 times.

The comparison to Belicheck is a flawed one too. For one, while in Cleveland, Belicheck had to ham and egg it at QB with the likes of Vinny Testaverde, he wasn't given the luxury of being handed a franchise that had a legit, big time franchise QB. Also, in his 7th season, he won a SB. So if you want this comparison to stick, Garrett better do better than spit out a non-playoff season or another early playoff exit this year.

Go look at the play by play even when Dallas fell behind they still ran but yes going down 21-3 will give any team a sense of urgency and fact is they moved the ball they put up 31 damn points they got the game tied so BS on all this they needed to run the ball more. What they needed to do was stop GB from converting a 3rd and 20 in the last few seconds of the game and gave up 30 on the play. Get a clue, all this whining about the offense they had over 400 yards of offense and put up 31 points that is not bad offense what so ever. Dallas was 54% on 3rd down same as GB. The difference was the defense failed to come up with a big stop when they needed to.

Love how you can make excuses for other coaches. Hey he is Bill Belichick greatest of all coaches NO excuses. Garrett has had to rebuild this team and has been doing so with positive results.

 

[CCBoy]

Go look at the play by play even when Dallas fell behind they still ran but yes going down 21-3 will give any team a sense of urgency and fact is they moved the ball they put up 31 damn points they got the game tied so BS on all this they needed to run the ball more. What they needed to do was stop GB from converting a 3rd and 20 in the last few seconds of the game and gave up 30 on the play. Get a clue, all this whining about the offense they had over 400 yards of offense and put up 31 points that is not bad offense what so ever. Dallas was 54% on 3rd down same as GB. The difference was the defense failed to come up with a big stop when they needed to.

Love how you can make excuses for other coaches. Hey he is Bill Belichick greatest of all coaches NO excuses. Garrett has had to rebuild this team and has been doing so with positive results.

With a reinvented run action that is then redefined a special case for passes....and then lose by 5 points? Follow that with a loss by 3 points from a literally last few seconds field goal...with a difficult 3rd down conversion and long yardage.

No, not even stretched, is that a failure by Jason Garrett. Unless one owns prime real estate around the burn barrel and are in fact a died in the wool ring tapper, who would rather complain than root for a team that one purports to back.

Not even an ounce of middle ground there!



...and I had a '65 Baracuda....and then a '75 black Nova. Traded in a Cutlass with a 350 rocket. Now I just drive my F150 and enjoy the military grade aluminum frame, and what THAT brings!!

Jerry knew what talent and how to get it, back when he purchased the team and started off with Jimmy Johnson.

He has remained current on how and NFL changes for success, and has again re-established the fundamentals for establishing a powerhouse in today's game. He has always circled the wagons...but learned. That goes in how and who to have on a team, and also, who to run a team.

He didn't just go out and buy the Prom Queen...but has learned it all, and listened along the way.