Jason Garrett and the Cowboys are not credible?

[waving monkey]

I don't want to be 'that guy', but we didn't get to see Tony Romo play without Garrett in his ear pretty much since he started (be it OC or HC). If we don't have success with Dak in the next couple years, I don't want Garret to have the same 'rebuilding' excuse again. Some coaches simply can't win in the playoffs, when better coaches will adjust on the fly and you have to respond in kind. We have such a solid base here (Oline, Dak, Zeke, young athletic Secondary and solid tackles), we can't have Garrett learning from his mistakes again and again. He's getting better as a coach, but that was at the expense of Romo's prime years and health. Don't want the same to happen with Dak

-Well rebuilding was "no excuse" but true, Garrett was learning OJT.
You can either move forward or live in the past. Play off wins are coming.

 

[dallasdave]

-Well rebuilding was "no excuse" but true, Garrett was learning OJT.
You can either move forward or live in the past. Play off wins are coming.

I think multiple Super Bowl Wins are Coming.

 

[Sydla]

-Well rebuilding was "no excuse" but true, Garrett was learning OJT.
You can either move forward or live in the past. Play off wins are coming.

They better be coming. If they don't, the Cowboys would be fools to put up with him as head coach for much longer.

 

[CCBoy]

This is the current picture for the Dallas Cowboys:

Team Ranking -Overall: Rushing/ Passing
Offense 5th 149.8 (2nd)/ 226.9 (23rd)
Defense 14th 83.5 (1st)/ 260.4 (26th)


The team needs to be better in the passing games: both on the offense and on the defense

 

[waving monkey]

They better be coming. If they don't, the Cowboys would be fools to put up with him as head coach for much longer.

There are two camps watching the same game.

 

[Sydla]

Go look at the play by play even when Dallas fell behind they still ran but yes going down 21-3 will give any team a sense of urgency and fact is they moved the ball they put up 31 damn points they got the game tied so BS on all this they needed to run the ball more. What they needed to do was stop GB from converting a 3rd and 20 in the last few seconds of the game and gave up 30 on the play. Get a clue, all this whining about the offense they had over 400 yards of offense and put up 31 points that is not bad offense what so ever. Dallas was 54% on 3rd down same as GB. The difference was the defense failed to come up with a big stop when they needed to.

Love how you can make excuses for other coaches. Hey he is Bill Belichick greatest of all coaches NO excuses. Garrett has had to rebuild this team and has been doing so with positive results.

You said they ran the ball a lot early. That's false.

Garrett's results to date are middling. 6 seasons, one playoff win. That's it.

I don't want him fired now. But enough of the excuse making for him. It's time to start performing when it counts starting this season.

 

[Sydla]

There are two camps watching the same game.

So you don't agree with the statement that it's time for the coaching staff to finally start winning playoff games and be more successful in the playoffs?

 

[waving monkey]

So you don't agree with the statement that it's time for the coaching staff to finally start winning playoff games and be more successful in the playoffs?

play off wins are coming

 

[Idgit]

There are two camps watching the same game.

I don't get how people can watch the team getting younger and better and still have a problem with the direction we're headed. Even if it's taken longer than expected (and it's taken longer than expected). And even if I don't like every decision they've made long the way (they fiddled around at DC for years, and then last year they blew a chance to have a big defensive impact in the draft), the progress is still obvious and still in the right direction.

 

[Sydla]

play off wins are coming

I hope so. But do you disagree with the notion that if playoff wins don't come soon (obviously barring something like ebola striking half the team during a season), it's time to think about a coaching change?

 

[Sydla]

I don't get how people can watch the team getting younger and better and still have a problem with the direction we're headed. Even if it's taken longer than expected (and it's taken longer than expected). And even if I don't like every decision they've made long the way (they fiddled around at DC for years, and then last year they blew a chance to have a big defensive impact in the draft), the progress is still obvious and still in the right direction.

See that's a strawman. I certainly do not have a problem where the team is headed from a personnel standpoint. Now certainly, there are some here who think he's a doofus of a coach and should have been fired. But I suspect a majority think just like me............ enough of the excuse making, enough of the OJT chatter, enough of trying to cover up for on the field issues by giving Garrett credit for remaking the roster. He's got a team that should not only do well in the regular season but also make some noise in the playoffs. If he can't in the next season or two, we have a problem.

The team could very well be building a high quality, SB caliber roster while still having average coaching.

 

[Idgit]

Go look at the play by play....

They won't look at the play by play on that game. But, yeah. In those early drives we had the sack on Witten/Dak that got us in the passing situation where GB got the PD on Dez, and we had the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on Butler that took us out of a running situation. Prior to that, we were running it just like we always do. There was a 3rd and 2 in there where Dak threw it, but I don't remember the game situation well enough to know if that was a good idea or a bad one given the defense. Either way, I don't have a problem with throwing the ball on 3rd and 2 now and then.

If we want to blame the coaching staff for the early part of that game, it's for thinking they could substitute on Rodgers. That was a legitimate bad idea, and it was one they obviously discussed in advance and prepared for during the week.

 

[waving monkey]

I hope so. But do you disagree with the notion that if playoff wins don't come soon (obviously barring something like ebola striking half the team during a season), it's time to think about a coaching change?

That would be the most destructive thing Jones would have done in his tenure or close to it.
Jones isn't firing Garrett and getting back on the coaching carousal.

 

[Sydla]

That would be the most destructive thing Jones would have done in his tenure or close to it.
Jones isn't firing Garrett and getting back on the coaching carousal.

Wut?

So if the Cowboys go 10-6 this year and get bonked from the playoffs again in their first game and then miss the playoffs in 2018 or vice versa, it would be destructive to think about a coaching change?

Holy hell, some of you are so in the tank for Garrett you can't even admit that there are scenarios where it becomes pretty clear he's not the guy to get us over the hump.

 

[Idgit]

See that's a strawman. I certainly do not have a problem where the team is headed from a personnel standpoint. Now certainly, there are some here who think he's a doofus of a coach and should have been fired. But I suspect a majority think just like me............ enough of the excuse making, enough of the OJT chatter, enough of trying to cover up for on the field issues by giving Garrett credit for remaking the roster. He's got a team that should not only do well in the regular season but also make some noise in the playoffs. If he can't in the next season or two, we have a problem.

The team could very well be building a high quality, SB caliber roster while still having average coaching.

It's not a strawman at all. It's simply the facts. The team is obviously getting better, and some people want to believe its happening in spite of the coaching and not because of it.

There's no excuse making going on. I'm not making excuses. I'm saying 'look at the results. You have nothing to complain about regarding the coaching.' Every team has 'on the field issues.' Coaches aren't perfect, and there are going to be mistakes on a certain low percentage of snaps over 7 years. That's thousands of calls. Of course some are better than others, and of course some are just plain bad.

The OJT chatter is coming from dissatisfied fans, not the other way around. The roster *has* been remade. He's got a team that not only should do well in the regular season but also make some noise in the playoffs...because he's built that team. Yes, it needs to keep winning. That's the whole point of building it in the first place. And if it doesn't keep building then the staff will get replaced. That's life in the NFL.

But, no, it's not an average coaching staff. If you're looking at a team that's performing in the top quartile over a rebuilding phase which is now a legitimate contender for a championship where we were not before, you can't reasonably call that an 'average' job. That's above-average performance.

 

[waving monkey]

Wut?

So if the Cowboys go 10-6 this year and get bonked from the playoffs again in their first game and then miss the playoffs in 2018 or vice versa, it would be destructive to think about a coaching change?

Holy hell, some of you are so in the tank for Garrett you can't even admit that there are scenarios where it becomes pretty clear he's not the guy to get us over the hump.

Jones is not firing Garrett.Period.

 

[CCBoy]

Wut?

So if the Cowboys go 10-6 this year and get bonked from the playoffs again in their first game and then miss the playoffs in 2018 or vice versa, it would be destructive to think about a coaching change?

Holy hell, some of you are so in the tank for Garrett you can't even admit that there are scenarios where it becomes pretty clear he's not the guy to get us over the hump.

What? It takes a physics degree to figure out something like if a person doesn't have feet, then it's pretty hard to win a race. C'mon...

if one were a snibbling wife, I'd pack their clothes in a suite case and throw it outside.

 

[Idgit]

Wut?

So if the Cowboys go 10-6 this year and get bonked from the playoffs again in their first game and then miss the playoffs in 2018 or vice versa, it would be destructive to think about a coaching change?

Holy hell, some of you are so in the tank for Garrett you can't even admit that there are scenarios where it becomes pretty clear he's not the guy to get us over the hump.

You're asking basically 'if we have a failure of coaching then will we have had a failure of coaching.' Uh....sure. There are situations where it could turn out that the coaching staff is not good enough. That's just not the trend and it's counter to what we've been seeing on the field. But if the current trends all reverse, then, sure, you guys will have been proven right about the staff in the end.

It can happen. Coaches lose teams in this league all the time. But on paper, at least for now, it does look like they're continuing to build a better, deeper roster. We've got extra picks and are about to come into extra cap space. We've got maybe the most talented young core in the league right now. And that's all the result of the current regime and the current decision making process. There's no good reason to borrow trouble and pretend it's going to reverse itself.

 

[Sydla]

Jones is not firing Garrett.Period.

Ever?

 

[Sydla]

You're asking basically 'if we have a failure of coaching then will we have had a failure of coaching.' Uh....sure. There are situations where it could turn out that the coaching staff is not good enough. That's just not the trend and it's counter to what we've been seeing on the field. But if the current trends all reverse, then, sure, you guys will have been proven right about the staff in the end.

It can happen. Coaches lose teams in this league all the time. But on paper, at least for now, it does look like they're continuing to build a better, deeper roster. We've got extra picks and are about to come into extra cap space. We've got maybe the most talented young core in the league right now. And that's all the result of the current regime and the current decision making process. There's no good reason to borrow trouble and pretend it's going to reverse itself.

That's the whole point I am making. It's time to start performing. He's had his 6 years of learning or whatever you guys want to call it. No more excuses.