Jason Garrett as future HC does he compare to Payton ?

[CowboyDan]

jgboys1, I love that avatar

 

[NextGenBoys]

And Zimmer, Sparano, Haley, Parcells ect.

And I was again, one that was backing Shawn Peyton like I'm backing Jason Garrett.

Garrett is not perfect, but for the life of me, I dont know what games some of you are watching when you do nothing but bash him.

 

[jgboys1]

jgboys1, I love that avatar

Thanks Dan. I got a kick out of it also. Jason Witten is Romo's security blanket.

 

[Cover 2]

That's actually an interesting question that I have thought over quite a bit. I don't like Jason Garrett and I don't think he is a good coach, but I'll freely admit I felt the way about Sean Payton too when he was with us. The majority of fans felt the same as me, but I guess that's why we're fans.

Maybe I'm right about Garrett, maybe I'm wrong. I guess only time will tell. I sure hope I'm wrong though (as long as he's with us).

 

[Rampage]

That's actually an interesting question that I have thought over quite a bit. I don't like Jason Garrett and I don't think he is a good coach, but I'll freely admit I felt the way about Sean Payton too when he was with us. The majority of fans felt the same as me, but I guess that's why we're fans.

Maybe I'm right about Garrett, maybe I'm wrong. I guess only time will tell. I sure hope I'm wrong though (as long as he's with us).

well when Sean was here he was calling plays based on Parcells conservative philosophy. when Sean was here we had a real head coach and the coordinators did what he told them to do. that wasn't the real Sean Payton that you've seen in New Orleans. Now with Garrett I think you're seeing who he is cause we don't have a real head coach(unless you count Jerry). Garrett calls the offense based on his philosophy not on the head coaches because Wade isn't a real head coach who is respected like Parcells was.

 

[Doomsday101]

well when Sean was here he was calling plays based on Parcells conservative philosophy. when Sean was here we had a real head coach and the coordinators did what he told them to do. that wasn't the real Sean Payton that you've seen in New Orleans. Now with Garrett I think you're seeing who he is cause we don't have a real head coach(unless you count Jerry). Garrett calls the offense based on his philosophy not on the head coaches because Wade isn't a real head coach who is respected like Parcells was.

Quite a story, however Wade is a real head coach

 

[Rampage]

Quite a story, however Wade is a real head coach

we agree on the overtime

we disagree on Wade being a real head coach

 

[Doomsday101]

we agree on the overtime

we disagree on Wade being a real head coach

Wade does not call the plays many other coaches do not call the plays either. Wade however is involved with the offense during the week he does know what is being put into the offense and he does have the input. During the game if it is a critical call 4th and short it is his call to make not Jason.

 

[Cover 2]

well when Sean was here he was calling plays based on Parcells conservative philosophy. when Sean was here we had a real head coach and the coordinators did what he told them to do. that wasn't the real Sean Payton that you've seen in New Orleans. Now with Garrett I think you're seeing who he is cause we don't have a real head coach(unless you count Jerry). Garrett calls the offense based on his philosophy not on the head coaches because Wade isn't a real head coach who is respected like Parcells was.

That is a valid argument; however, Payton also got his play calling duties stripped in NY. I always thought Payton sucked just like I did Garrett. Payton does have the Parcells excuse though, but Garrett is still young.

I don't think Garrett is a good OC, but I sure hope I am wrong. Hopefully he continues to mature, but I have my doubts.

 

[Chief]

I remember when Payton was hired by Parcells. I thought it was brilliant, and I envisioned Payton taking over the Cowboys when Parcells would leave. Unfortunately, Payton was gone by the time Parcells quit.

I clearly remember Fassel very publicly stripping Payton of his play-calling duties. Young coaches need to be reined in occasionally, but I still felt Payton had a great future.

Regarding Garrett, I think he's very good at putting together an offensive system, designing plays, etc. And I don't have much problem with his play-calling. I think he'll get better. But the thing that worries me a little is his apparent inability to handle the personnel side of things. I assume he decides the pecking order on offense .... who starts, who gets the ball, etc.

 

[Rampage]

Wade does not call the plays many other coaches do not call the plays either. Wade however is involved with the offense during the week he does know what is being put into the offense and he does have the input. During the game if it is a critical call 4th and short it is his call to make not Jason.

once again we disagree. I don't think Wade is involved with the offense nearly as much as you do.

That is a valid argument; however, Payton also got his play calling duties stripped in NY. I always thought Payton sucked just like I did Garrett. Payton does have the Parcells excuse though, but Garrett is still young.

I don't think Garrett is a good OC, but I sure hope I am wrong. Hopefully he continues to mature, but I have my doubts.

I'm not a Garrett fan either but i'm starting to think he's getting better but still going through growing pains. from the New Orleans game through the games with Philly I thought he did a very good job playcalling. the minnesota game he went back to his old ways not making adjustments and not doing nearly enough imo to try to slow down the vikings pass rush.

 

[Cover 2]

once again we disagree. I don't think Wade is involved with the offense nearly as much as you do.


I'm not a Garrett fan either but i'm starting to think he's getting better but still going through growing pains. from the New Orleans game through the games with Philly I thought he did a very good job playcalling. the minnesota game he went back to his old ways not making adjustments and not doing nearly enough imo to try to slow down the vikings pass rush.

I thought he started out well with the Minnesota game, I even remarked how much I liked the playcalling.

The problems I did have with his play calling in that game were: The use of Barber (I've complained about this for awhile), not giving the tackles more help, and also playcalling (such as the pitch to Barber, but that may have been on Romo, but that was just one example).

 

[Jimz31]

SP is just a very creative guy...NINETEEN different guys getting TD's? Crazy.

Besides, it doesn't matter WHO the HC/OC is.....there will be complaints...that's what fans do...they cheer....they boo....but they still love the team.

 

[Idgit]

I remember when Payton was hired by Parcells. I thought it was brilliant, and I envisioned Payton taking over the Cowboys when Parcells would leave. Unfortunately, Payton was gone by the time Parcells quit.

I clearly remember Fassel very publicly stripping Payton of his play-calling duties. Young coaches need to be reined in occasionally, but I still felt Payton had a great future.

Regarding Garrett, I think he's very good at putting together an offensive system, designing plays, etc. And I don't have much problem with his play-calling. I think he'll get better. But the thing that worries me a little is his apparent inability to handle the personnel side of things. I assume he decides the pecking order on offense .... who starts, who gets the ball, etc.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel about him. I don't have a particular problem with his playcalling, though there are instances when he blows it there, and I think it's something he'll get better at.

Who knows who's calling the shots regarding playing time on the offensive side of the ball. It could be Wade or Garrett, with Jerry vetoing either of them at any point. Garrett strikes me as the type who's going to try to establish a meritocracy, but there's little enough evidence of that happening on offense the last few seasons, it's hard to give him credit for an impression that's not supported on gameday.

 

[NextGenBoys]

well when Sean was here he was calling plays based on Parcells conservative philosophy. when Sean was here we had a real head coach and the coordinators did what he told them to do. that wasn't the real Sean Payton that you've seen in New Orleans. Now with Garrett I think you're seeing who he is cause we don't have a real head coach(unless you count Jerry). Garrett calls the offense based on his philosophy not on the head coaches because Wade isn't a real head coach who is respected like Parcells was.

No argument with any of that.

However, dont discredit the experience Garrett is gaining. This was just his 3rd year coordinating. Payton's third year as OC was in 2002 with New York. He will get better as a coordinator, but more importantly, the experience will help him as a head coach down the road.

Not to mention unlike Payton, Garrett doesnt have one of, if not THE greatest coach to learn under, and to take that and work into your own philosophy later down the road.

 

[smax]

Red Jesus also has 3 Super Bowl rings. He knows what it takes to get to, and win the Big Game.

Not to nitpick, but I'm pretty sure Garrett only has 2 rings.

Garrett was in the CFL in 1992.

 

[Hostile]

Just curious how many people view Jason Garrett as a HC compared to Sean Payton or previous OC ?

I have always liked him better than Sean Payton.

 

[smax]

It's hard to imagine Garrett as the head coach at this point. The players he's been given charge over are mistake prone, which calls into question his ability to coach players up.

Dropped passes, missed blocks, blown assignments, penalties, and a host of other discipline related issues.

To his credit, these things are all improved a little in 2009, but not nearly enough to realistically envision him being an effective head coach.

That's my take, anyway.

 

[Cover 2]

I have always liked him better than Sean Payton.

Sincere question. What is it that you see in Jason Garrett?

 

[CowboyMike]

I remember when Payton was hired by Parcells. I thought it was brilliant, and I envisioned Payton taking over the Cowboys when Parcells would leave. Unfortunately, Payton was gone by the time Parcells quit.

I clearly remember Fassel very publicly stripping Payton of his play-calling duties. Young coaches need to be reined in occasionally, but I still felt Payton had a great future.

Regarding Garrett, I think he's very good at putting together an offensive system, designing plays, etc. And I don't have much problem with his play-calling. I think he'll get better. But the thing that worries me a little is his apparent inability to handle the personnel side of things. I assume he decides the pecking order on offense .... who starts, who gets the ball, etc.

I think Wade has more control over that than people think. He has always been reluctant to play young players/rookies and I'm pretty sure it was his decision to sit Choice last year until it was a necessity to play him due to injuries.