Jason Garrett as future HC does he compare to Payton ?

[Hostile]

Sincere question. What is it that you see in Jason Garrett?

Back when he was our 3rd string QB he actually acted as Aikman's personal coach. One coach even said he was better at film breakdown than the Offensive Coaches.

The guy is football brilliant and always has been. Every team he ever played for saw him as a future Head Coach.

Piece by piece he is building a high powered Offense and I am not talking about personnel. I am talking about philosophies. Bob Sturm, whom I greatly respect, considers him one of the best minds in football.

His players love him. I've heard that directly from someone I trust. Garrett wants to be even more aggressive and I think the players are nearing the point where they can be.

I don't get the criticism he gets on here at all. It has been going on since he was hired as the OC before we hired a HC. I admit, I don't want to understand it.

I liked Payton. I like Garrett better.

 

[CF74]

Back when he was our 3rd string QB he actually acted as Aikman's personal coach. One coach even said he was better at film breakdown than the Offensive Coaches.

The guy is football brilliant and always has been. Every team he ever played for saw him as a future Head Coach.

Piece by piece he is building a high powered Offense and I am not talking about personnel. I am talking about philosophies. Bob Sturm, whom I greatly respect, considers him one of the best minds in football.

His players love him. I've heard that directly from someone I trust. Garrett wants to be even more aggressive and I think the players are nearing the point where they can be.

I don't get the criticism he gets on here at all. It has been going on since he was hired as the OC before we hired a HC. I admit, I don't want to understand it.

I liked Payton. I like Garrett better.

If all this is true then Wade is holding him back the same way Parcells held Payton back or at least to some degree, maybe even Jerry to...

 

[T-RO]

I don't know. I do know when Payton was here some fans where not happy with him either. :laugh2:

Amazing how that works. :laugh2:

It's like Babe Lauffenberg says...it's so easy for the mind of a six year old to blame everything on the OC.

It's simpleton logic: the play didn't work so it must have been a stupid call. Fire the ______.

 

[Cover 2]

Back when he was our 3rd string QB he actually acted as Aikman's personal coach. One coach even said he was better at film breakdown than the Offensive Coaches.

The guy is football brilliant and always has been. Every team he ever played for saw him as a future Head Coach.

Piece by piece he is building a high powered Offense and I am not talking about personnel. I am talking about philosophies. Bob Sturm, whom I greatly respect, considers him one of the best minds in football.

His players love him. I've heard that directly from someone I trust. Garrett wants to be even more aggressive and I think the players are nearing the point where they can be.

I don't get the criticism he gets on here at all. It has been going on since he was hired as the OC before we hired a HC. I admit, I don't want to understand it.

I liked Payton. I like Garrett better.

That's interesting stuff about Bob Sturm, him breaking down film, and how the team respects him. I really hope you're right about him, because as much as I have my doubts about him, he will be a Cowboy for awhile.

 

[Doomsday101]

Amazing how that works. :laugh2:

It's like Babe Lauffenberg says...it's so easy for the mind of a six year old to blame everything on the OC.

It's simpleton logic: the play didn't work so it must have been a stupid call. Fire the ______.

I agree. There will always be calls in a game where you feel they should have tried a different play but when seeing the complete picture I see more good out of Garrett than what his critics try to claim.

Heading into next season there are things that this team needs to focus on and improve on because while something’s can be blamed on play call much of what I see centers around execution

 

[Wood]

I have watched both Payton and Garrett coach in Dallas and the similarities are obvious. I think both will be HC in NFL for long time.

 

[Doomsday101]

I have watched both Payton and Garrett coach in Dallas and the similarities are obvious. I think both will be HC in NFL for long time.

Hard to say being a HC is not about the x's and o's it is about handling 53 players and getting them to buy into what you are doing as a team.

 

[Alexander]

The two are remarkably similar. Sharp sharp offensive minds who still had a lot to learn coming up.

Payton only got to the Super Bowl because he improved the defense. Getting Gregg Williams was something he recognized he needed to do and he did it, even giving up part of his own salary to get it done. He faked it one year with Gary Gibbs but the bottom fell out.

Garrett will need that same kind of support if/when he gets his first head coaching job. He won't be able to simply outscore everyone. If he takes over in Dallas, we had better have a strong DC to support him. We had a shot at that but missed out on Capers because nobody wanted Stewart to feel bad Hardly worth it, because he's now the DC at the University of Houston.

The main difference however with Payton is that he cut his teeth learning from Coach Parcells and has taken a similar approach managing his teams. Garrett does not have that benefit and is a step behind in his development because of that. Payton was more ready. I honestly cannot say that Garrett is ready to handle an entire team. Challenging personalities (like Owens) have been an issue. He still is not able to use all the tools at his disposal and his performance down the stretch was ragged as his offense failed to score in the red zone. He still has work to do as a coordinator.

 

[gmoney112]

Sometimes I'm really down on Garrett, but then I think logically at what he's working with.

1) A slow, overrated offensive line. We can push around 4-3's but in this age of the 3-4 defense, fast linebackers are eating our lunch. We can/should sacrifice some brute strength for footwork and agility, and I think Free is just the start of it. Some quickness at the tackle position, and a stud LG(Iupati) will help significantly not only in pass protection but in getting to the second level with Felix carrying the rock 20 times a game. Drafting Iupati and starting Free(at RT if he can't beat out Flo at LT) next season would be a substantial upgrade. I like Colombo but his time as a starter is over, Free is at worst the future RT of this team.

2) A slightly above average receiving core. What do the Saints, Vikings, Colts all have in common? Good quarterbacks and a great receiving core. This league is a passing league now first and foremost, I think we can all agree to that. Austin is a stud and Roy, well he's not. I continue to root for Roy but he's not scaring anyone. Crayton is a good slot WR, could be upgraded, but he has Romo's confidence and finds the endzone, hard to replace a player like that. I'd like Roy to come back next season all-pro for everyone's sake, i'd hate to see him started because of his contract and have the entire hate of cowboy nation on him when he doesn't produce. I think Ogletree will have a serious chance of beating him out in camp, if he actually starts is another story. Witten is Witten and while he's all-pro, it's not his job to stretch defense, he's the best at what he does but he can't make Roy play better. I think Bennett will be utilized more also, if he could turn into a viable threat it'd allow us to do a lot of things.

An upgraded line, a solid #2, and felix getting his touches next season will drastically change the naysayers opinions of him. Would you be scared to play Dallas's offense if you had Dallas's defense? I wouldn't be, and it's not because of the playcalling.

 

[Wood]

I remember Troy Aikman saying during the superbowl years that Garrett was already like a coach. That was over 10 years ago....I think Garrett can handle player personalities and obviously knows X's & 0's.....its just a matter of getting the right opportunity for Garrett. I truely feel he wants to be HC of Dallas for a long time.

 

[Alexander]

1) A slow, overrated offensive line. We can push around 4-3's but in this age of the 3-4 defense, fast linebackers are eating our lunch. We can/should sacrifice some brute strength for footwork and agility, and I think Free is just the start of it. Some quickness at the tackle position, and a stud LG(Iupati) will help significantly not only in pass protection but in getting to the second level with Felix carrying the rock 20 times a game. Drafting Iupati and starting Free(at RT if he can't beat out Flo at LT) next season would be a substantial upgrade. I like Colombo but his time as a starter is over, Free is at worst the future RT of this team.

We were on the right track two years ago when Sparano was here. We were moving towards more athletic linemen and drafted people like Free. Then Houck comes back and we are thinking like it is the early 1990s again. This to me will continue to be a problem unless the scouts ignore his philosophy and start preparing their draft differently.

2) A slightly above average receiving core. What do the Saints, Vikings, Colts all have in common? Good quarterbacks and a great receiving core. This league is a passing league now first and foremost, I think we can all agree to that. Austin is a stud and Roy, well he's not. I continue to root for Roy but he's not scaring anyone. Crayton is a good slot WR, could be upgraded, but he has Romo's confidence and finds the endzone, hard to replace a player like that. I'd like Roy to come back next season all-pro for everyone's sake, i'd hate to see him started because of his contract and have the entire hate of cowboy nation on him when he doesn't produce. I think Ogletree will have a serious chance of beating him out in camp, if he actually starts is another story. Witten is Witten and while he's all-pro, it's not his job to stretch defense, he's the best at what he does but he can't make Roy play better. I think Bennett will be utilized more also, if he could turn into a viable threat it'd allow us to do a lot of things.

We still need help at WR. I don't care what the belief is about Williams, we have no one save Austin who can make plays or threaten anyone. Crayton is a quality slot receiver, but does not make anyone quiver in fear. Hurd is a complete journeyman. Ogletree could be the wildcard, but how many times is Jones going to luck out with an undrafted free agent?

 

[jobberone]

The two are remarkably similar. Sharp sharp offensive minds who still had a lot to learn coming up.

Payton only got to the Super Bowl because he improved the defense. Getting Gregg Williams was something he recognized he needed to do and he did it, even giving up part of his own salary to get it done. He faked it one year with Gary Gibbs but the bottom fell out.

Garrett will need that same kind of support if/when he gets his first head coaching job. He won't be able to simply outscore everyone. If he takes over in Dallas, we had better have a strong DC to support him. We had a shot at that but missed out on Capers because nobody wanted Stewart to feel bad Hardly worth it, because he's now the DC at the University of Houston.

The main difference however with Payton is that he cut his teeth learning from Coach Parcells and has taken a similar approach managing his teams. Garrett does not have that benefit and is a step behind in his development because of that. Payton was more ready. I honestly cannot say that Garrett is ready to handle an entire team. Challenging personalities (like Owens) have been an issue. He still is not able to use all the tools at his disposal and his performance down the stretch was ragged as his offense failed to score in the red zone. He still has work to do as a coordinator.

The offense failed this team again this year failing to score 25+ points a game and worse failing to score commensurate with the amount of yardage gained. We should have scored over 500 points this year by the amount of yardage gained. That's on Garrett. I don't buy its all on the OL and execution. I'll give him the fact we were hampered by the skill sets of our WRs and the OL did break down twice this year. It's still his responsibility.

 

[Doomsday101]

I remember Troy Aikman saying during the superbowl years that Garrett was already like a coach. That was over 10 years ago....I think Garrett can handle player personalities and obviously knows X's & 0's.....its just a matter of getting the right opportunity for Garrett. I truely feel he wants to be HC of Dallas for a long time.

I'm not saying that Garrett would not be a good HC you just never know until they get the oppertunity. As far as his understanding of the game I have no doubts about it, he grew up around it with his father, played the game at every level and has been coaching for the last few years.

 

[Wood]

I'm not saying that Garrett would not be a good HC you just never know until they get the oppertunity. As far as his understanding of the game I have no doubts about it, he grew up around it with his father, played the game at every level and has been coaching for the last few years.

I agree....u never know until they get the opportunity. Payton was run out of NY and according to many...under-performed as OC in Dallas....but here we are...he is coaching in superbowl. I do think Garrett deserves an opportunity within next 2 years....someplace.

 

[Alexander]

The offense failed this team again this year failing to score 25+ points a game and worse failing to score commensurate with the amount of yardage gained. We should have scored over 500 points this year by the amount of yardage gained. That's on Garrett. I don't buy its all on the OL and execution. I'll give him the fact we were hampered by the skill sets of our WRs and the OL did break down twice this year. It's still his responsibility.

He could have done a better job in the redzone. But I wonder sometimes if the skill sets at both WR and OL are what he really prefers. I don't think it is.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree....u never know until they get the opportunity. Payton was run out of NY and according to many...under-performed as OC in Dallas....but here we are...he is coaching in superbowl. I do think Garrett deserves an opportunity within next 2 years....someplace.

Sooner or later he will get his chance

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Garrett wants to be even more aggressive and I think the players are nearing the point where they can be.

What does this even mean?

And Sturm sure criticized him a lot for someone he considers "brilliant".

 

[Trendnet]

If Sean Payton coached back to back losing seasons as HC in Dallas like he did in NO he would've been run out of town, before he even had a chance at having a superbowl season.

I think Garrett will be a successful Head Coach in the league. I'm not sure if it will be in Dallas though.

 

[Hostile]

What does this even mean?

And Sturm sure criticized him a lot for someone he considers "brilliant".

What's wrong with criticism if it isn't rooted in fallacies? Nothing in my book. Sturm still respects and praises Garrett. That is not the same as people on here who call him "the worst OC in the NFL." I don't mind criticism and think he deserves some. It's the hyperbole that I don't get.

His ceiling for potential is higher than a lot of people want to admit. The problem is they expect him to be at the ceiling automatically. No Coach in NFL History has ever done that, but he should?

Ridiculous.

 

[Brooksey]

And I was again, one that was backing Shawn Peyton like I'm backing Jason Garrett.

Garrett is not perfect, but for the life of me, I dont know what games some of you are watching when you do nothing but bash him.

Did you watch the one vs. Minnesota recently?