CFZ Jason Garrett vs Mike McCarthy

[RustyBourneHorse]

Perhaps, but I still think Mike is the better coach. I think the other thing is that Mike has been under more pressure early in his tenure than Garrett was. I'd imagine if the team falters, we will likely be in the coaching hunt. However, I think a lot of fans outside just our own fan base would likely acknowledge Mike as more of a legitimate coach than Garrett. It's interesting to note that not even a USFL team has picked up Garrett as a HC, despite him being tenured here as long as he has. I'm curious to see who our next coach will be. Hopefully, if nothing else, McCarthy can encourage Jerry to get an even better coach if he decides to mo

@75boyz , I will add to this by pointing out one thing. It's interesting to note that Jason Garrett was OC here before he was promoted to HC, yet, we often knew that our offseason was likely to be meh at best. With Mike, he's been more proactive with coordinators and the players that we need. To me, that's a difference. As I stated to someone else here, it seems that Mike is more willing than Jason Garrett to tell Jerry what he needs.

 

[75boyz]

Perhaps, but I still think Mike is the better coach. I think the other thing is that Mike has been under more pressure early in his tenure than Garrett was. I'd imagine if the team falters, we will likely be in the coaching hunt. However, I think a lot of fans outside just our own fan base would likely acknowledge Mike as more of a legitimate coach than Garrett. It's interesting to note that not even a USFL team has picked up Garrett as a HC, despite him being tenured here as long as he has. I'm curious to see who our next coach will be. Hopefully, if nothing else, McCarthy can encourage Jerry to get an even better coach if he decides to move on from Mike.

I do not think McCarthy is going to have this night and day turnaround effect on Dak that your posts have recently adopted.
I believe Dak will continue to struggle with footwork, accuracy, reading defenses, processing speed, seeing the whole field and most importantly, Decision Making.
My belief is what's between Dak's ears will cost another coach his job.
And I'll add that McCarthy's team was a primarily coordinator driven one that I will finally get to see on full display of what his actual offensive impact is on gameday as it was extremely ambiguous at best prior to Moore's release.
So to me, its a sink or swim year for both this head coach and QB and I think the coach will ultimatey end up being fired/scapegoated because of of my aforemetioned QB deficiencies.

Im not a big fan of McCarthy but even worse, after this year, the team will be stuck with Dak once again and looking to probably scapegoat Quinn as his next victim.

Or even bringing back Kellen in order to "save Dak". So that Jerry can have his Jason Garrett Part II project all over again.
LOL

jmo

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I do not think McCarthy is going to have this night and day turnaround effect on Dak that your posts have recently adopted.
I believe Dak will continue to struggle with footwork, accuracy, reading defenses, processing speed, seeing the whole field and most importantly, Decision Making.
My belief is what's between Dak's ears will cost another coach his job.
And I'll add that McCarthy's team was a primarily coordinator driven one that I will finally get to see on full display of what his actual offensive impact is on gameday as it was extremely ambiguous at best prior to Moore's release.
So to me, its a sink or swim year for both this head coach and QB and I think the coach will ultimatey end up being fired/scapegoated because of of my aforemetioned QB deficiencies.

Im not a big fan of McCarthy but even worse, after this year, the team will be stuck with Dak once again and looking to probably scapegoat Quinn as his next victim.

Or even bringing back Kellen in order to "save Dak". So that Jerry can have his Jason Garrett Part II project all over again.
LOL

jmo

Oh, I agree that it's sink or swim for McCarthy. No doubt. I just hope that, if Jerry does change coaches again, it'll be an improvement to an even better coach. Perhaps Belichick might want a change of scenery?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Damn you are bitter and old you need another week off I never seen someone so mean just to be mean.

Soon to be benched

 

[USArmyVet]

Soon to be benched

Really? You going to go cry and attempt to use your chosen one influence? Maybe better you call the waaaaambulance after calling whine 1-1

 

[75boyz]

Oh, I agree that it's sink or swim for McCarthy. No doubt. I just hope that, if Jerry does change coaches again, it'll be an improvement to an even better coach. Perhaps Belichick might want a change of scenery?

LOL,
The ghosts of Lombardi or Landry and even present day Hoodie can fix this team's terminal illness at QB. Its's a matter of dealing with him the best we can while he's here.

jmo

 

[blueblood70]

Now that we have had 3 years of Mike McCarthy, I'm going to do a head to head comparison of the first 3 years of Jason Garrett and Mike McCarthy. Then, for a bonus, I'll point something out that I've noticed about Mike.

Jason Garrett:
2011 (first full year) - 8-8 - Garrett showed some promise this season. The team really should've won the division in 2011. Unfortunately, the team collapsed and allowed the Giants to win it all.

2012 - 8-8 - this was about when things looked to be meh with Garrett. One of which was an absolute demolition we had on Monday Night against the Bears. We were also unable to stop RG3 as Washington swept us that year.

2013 - 8-8 - This season featured some heartbreaking losses against the Chargers and Broncos (this was the game where we learned what a morale victory was). We also got absolutely embarrassed against New Orleans. This was a game where it appeared that Garrett was completely outclassed. No matter what the team tried, Sean Payton was 3 steps ahead. Romo was injured in the win against Washington, and Orton would take over the next week against Philly and lose. This secured our 3rd straight 8-8 season.

Now for Mike McCarthy:
2020 6-10 - Painful year. Granted, there was a situation that year that prevented a proper offseason schedule. Additionally, we had 4 different QBs start that year. However, the defence was the worst we'd had since possibly 2013. This was McCarthy's fault as he brought in Mike Nolan, who clearly didn't work.

2021 12-4 (WC Loss) - The Cowboys sacked Nolan and replaced him with Dan Quinn and drafted Micah Parsons. It was during this season that the defence really improved. The Cowboys offense played well, and we won a game with Rush starting against the Vikings. This is an improvement season. We also saw adjustments being made during games. Ultimately, the Cowboys had a solid season, but lost to the 49ers in the WC Round.

2022 12-5 (WC Win, DR Loss) - the Cowboys finished with a similar record, but played well. Especially since we had a backup playing for 5 games who won 4 games. The team won a playoff game against the Bucs before falling to the 49ers.

I use 3 years as, just as with a QB, you sort of know what you have at HC by year 3. I think Mike has taken this team higher than Garrett did in their first 3 years. He also has been better when it comes to using a backup QB as Garrett couldn't use one. This is highlighted by the fact that both coaches had Rush, and Rush has been much better under McCarthy. This shows that coaching matters. As for what I've noticed. Under Garrett, there were games when things weren't going our way, and the team would give up. He didn't adjust well. McCarthy is the opposite. There's always seems to actually be a plan for each team as opposed to copying the same plan every game and daring the opposite team to stop us. He also adjusts, which was noticeably lacking with Garrett.

Moral of the story, coaching matters. A competent coach, as this story shows, makes a world of difference.

well 2020 wasn't fair anyway not just 4 qbs we used 4 different OL combo 17 injuries all over the team and players out over Covid etc..thats a total ignore and throw out year, we see what MM and Now DQ can do and if its not working they are changing players and coaches each offseason more IE going to jerry and pointing out areas of need and getting it fixed before it festers,

 

[gtb1943]

Another brutal fact as regards coaches is that a lot of established NFL coaches probably will not work for Jerry unless they get a deal like BP got; total roster control and staff control.
What chance is there that Jerry will ever do that again?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

well 2020 wasn't fair anyway not just 4 qbs we used 4 different OL combo 17 injuries all over the team and players out over Covid etc..thats a total ignore and throw out year, we see what MM and Now DQ can do and if its not working they are changing players and coaches each offseason more IE going to jerry and pointing out areas of need and getting it fixed before it festers,

Again, I understand that. However, I had to include it since I'm comparing the first three seasons for each coach.

 

[CowboyRoy]

“Get off my lawnnnnnn!!!!!”…..

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

LOL,
The ghosts of Lombardi or Landry and even present day Hoodie can fix this team's terminal illness at QB. Its's a matter of dealing with him the best we can while he's here.

jmo

I think Dak is a good enough QB to where we can get where we want with better coaching. This is because better coaching can help solve some of the issues. Note how Kitna had him playing well when he was the QB coach. It's a shame he didn't have top notch coaching early on. That's what he really needs.

 

[USArmyVet]

Bwaaaaaaa!!

The biggest cry baby in the site. The irony

...yet here you are crying about me being benched.....oh the irony.

 

[Big_D]

Oh, I agree that it's sink or swim for McCarthy. No doubt. I just hope that, if Jerry does change coaches again, it'll be an improvement to an even better coach. Perhaps Belichick might want a change of scenery?

I don't think it's sink or swim. 2 back to back 12 win seasons and the best roster we've seen in decades. He's a big part of that. Unless things really go haywire or they look completely terrible which I don't see happening. But sink or swim after how we seen the previous decade just seems like a stretch. The team is in very good shape finally.

 

[Jumbo075]

Now that we have had 3 years of Mike McCarthy, I'm going to do a head to head comparison of the first 3 years of Jason Garrett and Mike McCarthy. Then, for a bonus, I'll point something out that I've noticed about Mike.

Jason Garrett:
2011 (first full year) - 8-8 - Garrett showed some promise this season. The team really should've won the division in 2011. Unfortunately, the team collapsed and allowed the Giants to win it all.

2012 - 8-8 - this was about when things looked to be meh with Garrett. One of which was an absolute demolition we had on Monday Night against the Bears. We were also unable to stop RG3 as Washington swept us that year.

2013 - 8-8 - This season featured some heartbreaking losses against the Chargers and Broncos (this was the game where we learned what a morale victory was). We also got absolutely embarrassed against New Orleans. This was a game where it appeared that Garrett was completely outclassed. No matter what the team tried, Sean Payton was 3 steps ahead. Romo was injured in the win against Washington, and Orton would take over the next week against Philly and lose. This secured our 3rd straight 8-8 season.

Now for Mike McCarthy:
2020 6-10 - Painful year. Granted, there was a situation that year that prevented a proper offseason schedule. Additionally, we had 4 different QBs start that year. However, the defence was the worst we'd had since possibly 2013. This was McCarthy's fault as he brought in Mike Nolan, who clearly didn't work.

2021 12-4 (WC Loss) - The Cowboys sacked Nolan and replaced him with Dan Quinn and drafted Micah Parsons. It was during this season that the defence really improved. The Cowboys offense played well, and we won a game with Rush starting against the Vikings. This is an improvement season. We also saw adjustments being made during games. Ultimately, the Cowboys had a solid season, but lost to the 49ers in the WC Round.

2022 12-5 (WC Win, DR Loss) - the Cowboys finished with a similar record, but played well. Especially since we had a backup playing for 5 games who won 4 games. The team won a playoff game against the Bucs before falling to the 49ers.

I use 3 years as, just as with a QB, you sort of know what you have at HC by year 3. I think Mike has taken this team higher than Garrett did in their first 3 years. He also has been better when it comes to using a backup QB as Garrett couldn't use one. This is highlighted by the fact that both coaches had Rush, and Rush has been much better under McCarthy. This shows that coaching matters. As for what I've noticed. Under Garrett, there were games when things weren't going our way, and the team would give up. He didn't adjust well. McCarthy is the opposite. There's always seems to actually be a plan for each team as opposed to copying the same plan every game and daring the opposite team to stop us. He also adjusts, which was noticeably lacking with Garrett.

Moral of the story, coaching matters. A competent coach, as this story shows, makes a world of difference.

Garrett might have become a good head coach, but like Kellen Moore, he was promoted too soon to OC for the Cowboys, after serving only 2 years as QB coach for Nick Saban in Miami. Based on my own experience, I know I had a lot of talent early in my career as a design engineer and project manager. But the amount of knowledge I have now after working 35 years in the field far surpasses what I knew 3-4 years into my career.

Garrett became a head coach only 5-1/2 years into his career. I became a Division Manager and junior executive after only 8 years of experience. But like Garrett, I flamed out because of deficiencies in leadership skill - not deficiencies in technical knowledge and intelligence. Getting promoted too quickly can become a trap for young professionals - in any field of endeavor. Garrett (and Moore also) would be better served by working under multiple leaders to glean knowledge and experience in leading men, not just technical knowledge, intelligence and creativity. Leadership matters, and a lack of training in leadership skills can be crippling.

 

[CowboyRoy]

...yet here you are crying about me being benched.....oh the irony.

I’m laughing, not crying.

those are tears of laughter.

And if you go around attacking posters and calling them stupid you should be benched.

 

[USArmyVet]

I’m laughing, not crying.

those are tears of laughter.

And if you go around attacking posters and calling them stupid you should be benched.

Yeah because anyone you disagree with is another team's fan and should be silenced....that is the sign of the offended, spineless generation.

 

[75boyz]

I think Dak is a good enough QB to where we can get where we want with better coaching. This is because better coaching can help solve some of the issues. Note how Kitna had him playing well when he was the QB coach. It's a shame he didn't have top notch coaching early on. That's what he really needs.

Well,
that's where we have a fundamental difference in opinion. You think a change in coaching can change Dak's ability to make the right decision in real time with the ball in his hand.

I do not.

My belief is that Dak Prescott's decision making errors in real time will continue to cause the Dallas Cowboys to lose games and not achieve post season success regardless of who Dak's coach is or team support.
Difference of opinion.
No worries.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah because anyone you disagree with is another team's fan and should be silenced....that is the sign of the offended, spineless generation.

So now I’m spineless? More personal attacks?

 

[USArmyVet]

So now I’m spineless? More personal attacks?

I'm sorry, I thought we were playing by your rules of attacking people.....more fodder for you to cry about?

 

[Captain-Crash]

garrett, Wade is still trying to recover from the knife in his back.