CFZ Jason Garrett vs Mike McCarthy

[Big_D]

Exactly, so, it's his own fault the talent was "aging". Which, again, shows the importance of coaching.

There was no plan. D couldn't buy a turnover, couldn't stop the run and the team never once showed any confidence whatsoever under him. 3 phases and 2 of them usually sucked more often than not.

 

[dfense]

Where's Idgit and Diehardblues when we need them.... Someone has to swoop in and defend Garrett, right?

Anyone??

I will. maybe a little.

Garrett inherited a team with a defense that quit on Phillips. They were running a 3-4 defense with a 270lb Greg Ellis as a LBer for crying out loud. If Romo didn't get hurt his third year they may have made the playoffs. But those defenses were atrociously bad.

MM has a defense now. A championship defense that got wasted last year by piss poor situational offense. But his first D coordinator pick was as bad, as how good Quinn is. MM should be thanking his lucky stars every night for Dan Quinn or he might not be in the position he is in, in his third year.

 

[Wizarus]

I'm still not sure what McCarthy exactly does, but even doing nothing makes him better than Garrett by default.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Because Garrett was never head coaching material and was in over his head. And he had few coaching associations. None of them good.

The one time they did take his advice, it brought us the disaster that was Monte Kiffin. A formerly good coach that Garrett knew, one that the game had long passed by. And that association brought the equally outdated Rod Marinelli. One mistake begetting another.

The Jason Garrett era will go down in Cowboys history as Jerry Jones’ greatest mistake.

Exactly

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Damn you are bitter and old you need another week off I never seen someone so mean just to be mean.

Oh there's another one around. He just doesn't target you.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Because Garrett was never head coaching material and was in over his head. And he had few coaching associations. None of them good.

The one time they did take his advice, it brought us the disaster that was Monte Kiffin. A formerly good coach that Garrett knew, one that the game had long passed by. And that association brought the equally outdated Rod Marinelli. One mistake begetting another.

The Jason Garrett era will go down in Cowboys history as Jerry Jones’ greatest mistake.

Along with KM...imo.

Jerry literally said "He will learn on the job".

Um...what.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I will. maybe a little.

Garrett inherited a team with a defense that quit on Phillips. They were running a 3-4 defense with a 270lb Greg Ellis as a LBer for crying out loud. If Romo didn't get hurt his third year they may have made the playoffs. But those defenses were atrociously bad.

MM has a defense now. A championship defense that got wasted last year by piss poor situational offense. But his first D coordinator pick was as bad, as how good Quinn is. MM should be thanking his lucky stars every night for Dan Quinn or he might not be in the position he is in, in his third year.

I do acknowledge that the defence quit on Phillips. However, I will counter by pointing out that the team seemed to have a quit button when things weren't going their way under Garrett's tenure. Look at the Bears game in 2012. That was a game where things weren't going our way, and Garrett never adjusted. The team would basically give in by halftime. Same went for the Saints game in 2013. The team did this a lot in 2017. Mike, on the other hand, appears to have instilled a culture where he will make adjustments as needed, and the team doesn't appear to quit. Certainly not to the level that it did under Garrett.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

As I recall, the alternatives at the time were Marvin Lewis, Lincoln Riley, and one other coach. I think, of these, Mike was probably the best option. I can understand Jerry wanting an experienced coach, as opposed to another apprentice like Riley would've been. Lewis would've been a decent option, but he's very similar to Garrett, so it likely would've been just a change for the sake of change. So, of those, I think Mike probably was the best option. Not to mention an event that year that really damaged things. Ultimately, I think we are heading in a better direction. What happens after this season, I don't know. But I like where this team is going. I like the mentality.

It was the right move I just think we could’ve looked over some rosters and found some guys. Just for an interview. For sure didn’t want Ron Rivera or Judge.

Oh there's another one around. He just doesn't target you.

I believe you…..

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Along with KM...imo.

Jerry literally said "He will learn on the job".

Um...what.

That's the thing, for the coaches that we have, shouldn't their "learning" be done in the college level or on other teams? Why are we supposed to be the team developing process coaches, instead of getting the best possible?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

It was the right move I just think we could’ve looked over some rosters and found some guys. Just for an interview. For sure didn’t want Ron Rivera or Judge.

I believe you…..

Rivera would've been an intriguing choice. That's the one I was thinking of, but couldn't remember. I think Rivera actually probably would've done well here. I just wonder who he'd choose as OC. If Moore was the OC, then I think it'd be a disaster. I think Mike was brought in also as a counterweight to Moore.

 

[Stash]

Along with KM...imo.

Jerry literally said "He will learn on the job".

Um...what.

Jerry was trying hardest to convince himself. Even after 10 years-plus of watching Garrett disappoint, Jerry still struggled with making the right decision. He had it bad.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

To be fair, one must also consider the rosters each coach had to work with. I view the current roster as superior to the one Garrett had to work with.

This is not a defense of Garrett, although some interpret that comment as so.

Garrett never had a defensive roster like the one we have now. The current defense is vastly superior IMO.
The team was also in salary cap hell during Garretts tenure, among the worst in the league in dead money for 3 years straight.

MM is a better coach I think, but any comparison of the coaching is flawed without an accompanying comparison of the roster.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

To be fair, one must also consider the rosters each coach had to work with. I view the current roster as superior to the one Garrett had to work with.

This is not a defense of Garrett, although some interpret that comment as so.

Garrett never had a defensive roster like the one we have now. The current defense is vastly superior IMO.
The team was also in salary cap hell during Garretts tenure, among the worst in the league in dead money for 3 years straight.

MM is a superior coach I think, but any comparison of the coaching is flawed without an accompanying comparison of the roster.

I'll acknowledge that, but DWare played well until 2013. Garrett had time, from when he was an OC starting in 2007, to recognise the age of some of the players and get some drafted replacements. I think the Roy Williams likely haunted us at the time, which was to fix our WR group. I also think our 2nd round misses hurt us, of which Garrett was involved in several of them.

 

[75boyz]

The 2014 - 2016 Garrett window is the same as the McCarthy 2020 - 2022 window.

Garrett lost his starting QB in the middle year 2015 and McCarthy lost his in his first year 2020.

Other than that, no big difference at all.

And no,
I don't care for either coach so there's that.

 

[Stash]

To be fair, one must also consider the rosters each coach had to work with. I view the current roster as superior to the one Garrett had to work with.

This is not a defense of Garrett, although some interpret that comment as so.

Garrett never had a defensive roster like the one we have now. The current defense is vastly superior IMO.
The team was also in salary cap hell during Garretts tenure, among the worst in the league in dead money for 3 years straight.

MM is a better coach I think, but any comparison of the coaching is flawed without an accompanying comparison of the roster.

I think that roster issues under Garrett are a widely held misconception that wasn’t accurate.

 

[Big_D]

To be fair, one must also consider the rosters each coach had to work with. I view the current roster as superior to the one Garrett had to work with.

This is not a defense of Garrett, although some interpret that comment as so.

Garrett never had a defensive roster like the one we have now. The current defense is vastly superior IMO.
The team was also in salary cap hell during Garretts tenure, among the worst in the league in dead money for 3 years straight.

MM is a better coach I think, but any comparison of the coaching is flawed without an accompanying comparison of the roster.

The coach has something to do with how they build the roster. It's a night and day dfifference from how they operated under Garrett. No stupid trade ups, no ridiculous trades concerning high end picks, free agency hasn't been complete garbage.. Jerry didn't just miraculously figure things out. A coach who knows what he's doing and has a legit plan helps tremendously.

 

[john van brocklin]

Counterpoint, I think a coach like Harbaugh, who the Ravens chose over Garrett, would've been a great choice for Romo. His coaching style would've done well for him. Plus, with what I've seen with him and Lamar, I could see him developing Dak to be even more than what he is now.

You made my point!
Lol

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

You made my point!
Lol

Well, exactly, and it plays into my point as well.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

The 2014 - 2016 Garrett window is the same as the McCarthy 2020 - 2022 window.

Garrett lost his starting QB in the middle year 2015 and McCarthy lost his in his first year 2020.

Other than that, no big difference at all.

And no,
I don't care for either coach so there's that.

Perhaps, but I still think Mike is the better coach. I think the other thing is that Mike has been under more pressure early in his tenure than Garrett was. I'd imagine if the team falters, we will likely be in the coaching hunt. However, I think a lot of fans outside just our own fan base would likely acknowledge Mike as more of a legitimate coach than Garrett. It's interesting to note that not even a USFL team has picked up Garrett as a HC, despite him being tenured here as long as he has. I'm curious to see who our next coach will be. Hopefully, if nothing else, McCarthy can encourage Jerry to get an even better coach if he decides to move on from Mike.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

The coach has something to do with how they build the roster. It's a night and day dfifference from how they operated under Garrett. No stupid trade ups, no ridiculous trades concerning high end picks, free agency hasn't been complete garbage.. Jerry didn't just miraculously figure things out. A coach who knows what he's doing and has a legit plan helps tremendously.

Exactly, the coach has to know what his team needs in terms of coordinators and players and articulate to the owner/GM what those needs are. Mike knows how to do that. Garrett did not do that.